albion1971:
Just today I saw a truck driver using a hand held phone and at the same time trying to negotiate a roundabout.
Result was no indication and cutting up a car at the same time.
Point proven, imo.
albion1971:
For those that say its ok and safe - how do you know that?They know because they are extremely arrogant.They think they are better than the people who have already killed whilst talking on a phone.
Pot, Kettle, Black!!
That is a self evident truth.
Interestingly the recent additions to our fleet, Renault and Mercs, mute the radio when reverse is selected or a door is opened so I guess there have been a problem with the volume controls prior to this vital development in road safety.
rambo19:
albion1971:
Just today I saw a truck driver using a hand held phone and at the same time trying to negotiate a roundabout.
Result was no indication and cutting up a car at the same time.Point proven, imo.
All this proves is that it’s difficult/unwise/unsafe to manoeuvre using only one hand. I haven’t seen any post on this topic that advocates using a hand held phone whilst driving.
grumpybum:
rambo19:
albion1971:
Just today I saw a truck driver using a hand held phone and at the same time trying to negotiate a roundabout.
Result was no indication and cutting up a car at the same time.Point proven, imo.
All this proves is that it’s difficult/unwise/unsafe to manoeuvre using only one hand. I haven’t seen any post on this topic that advocates using a hand held phone whilst driving.
Research by the experts at various places around the UK have proven that using any communication device whilst driving makes it less safe to various degrees
Tooting up fanny is also distracting. I doubt St. Albion, patron saint of drivers has done it before…
Wiretwister:
Interestingly the recent additions to our fleet, Renault and Mercs, mute the radio when reverse is selected or a door is opened
I turn my radio down when reversing, also when not sure where address is I’m trying to find 
have read about that somewhere, apparently it’s a bloke thing
rambo19:
albion1971:
Just today I saw a truck driver using a hand held phone and at the same time trying to negotiate a roundabout.
Result was no indication and cutting up a car at the same time.Point proven, imo.
i’ve also witnessed this happen and the driver wasn’t on the phone, proves nothing imo
albion1971:
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ROG:
For those that say its ok and safe - how do you know that? - have you been assessed doing it?Until you know then its only a belief that you are safe and not knowing you are safe doing it
so i need a trainer to assess if i’m fit enough to use a handsfree kit whilst driving, why not make it another part of a pointless dcpc course. can you use a phone while piloting a truck. lets do a 7 hour assessment on that. better than learning tachograph law over and over and over again every 5 years till the day i die
No you do not need a trainer.If you read the news and facts and surveys about the drivers that have killed people while talking on a phone you might realise that it can actually be very dangerous and affects the majority of peoples concentration very badly.
Sounds like you are one of the many that seem to think they are fully capable and usually they are the worst type of drivers.
how many of those killed while someone is on the phone is handsfree do your surveys go into that i would imagine that the majority were handheld, in fact how many are killed when there is no phone involved at all?, thank you for your feedback on my driving and coming to the conclusion that i’m the worse type of driver, believe it or not but i’m more than capable of talking hands free whilst looking out of a window and checking mirrors.
Nobody is talking about capability but about what is the SAFEST thing to do or not do in this case
I am quite certain most of us are capable of using a hand held mobile phone relatively safely on a motorway where nobody else is anywhere near us but many think they can do that in all circumstances which is why the law was made
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rambo19:
albion1971:
Just today I saw a truck driver using a hand held phone and at the same time trying to negotiate a roundabout.
Result was no indication and cutting up a car at the same time.Point proven, imo.
i’ve also witnessed this happen and the driver wasn’t on the phone, proves nothing imo
Also, handheld vs handsfree…
If you’ve got 1 hand holding a phone to your ear whilst negotiating a roundabout - even in an auto - you’re a ■■■■■■■ muppet, but to compare that with someone on handsfree and you are also a ■■■■■■■ muppet 
ROG:
Nobody is talking about capability but about what is the SAFEST thing to do or not do in this caseI am quite certain most of us are capable of using a hand held mobile phone relatively safely on a motorway where nobody else is anywhere near us but many think they can do that in all circumstances which is why the law was made
i haven’t mentioned using the phone hand held!. i can operate my phone from the steering wheel including phone book. it can be in the top locker or my bag . i have no need to touch it
waynedl:
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rambo19:
albion1971:
Just today I saw a truck driver using a hand held phone and at the same time trying to negotiate a roundabout.
Result was no indication and cutting up a car at the same time.Point proven, imo.
i’ve also witnessed this happen and the driver wasn’t on the phone, proves nothing imo
Also, handheld vs handsfree…
If you’ve got 1 hand holding a phone to your ear whilst negotiating a roundabout - even in an auto - you’re a [zb] muppet, but to compare that with someone on handsfree and you are also a [zb] muppet
what i’m saying is you don’t have to be on the phone fullstop to drive like a ■■■■ and i see it on a daily basis!!
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waynedl:
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rambo19:
albion1971:
Just today I saw a truck driver using a hand held phone and at the same time trying to negotiate a roundabout.
Result was no indication and cutting up a car at the same time.Point proven, imo.
i’ve also witnessed this happen and the driver wasn’t on the phone, proves nothing imo
Also, handheld vs handsfree…
If you’ve got 1 hand holding a phone to your ear whilst negotiating a roundabout - even in an auto - you’re a [zb] muppet, but to compare that with someone on handsfree and you are also a [zb] muppet
what i’m saying is you don’t have to be on the phone fullstop to drive like a [zb] and i see it on a daily basis!!
I was agreeing with you - my comment was aimed at rambo19 and albion1971 - although I’m not sure if rambo19’s comment was tongue in cheek. You were quoted for me to agree and add ‘handheld vs handsfree’ to your comment, not to pick at it - I thought this was clear 
ha ha no worries 
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ROG:
Nobody is talking about capability but about what is the SAFEST thing to do or not do in this caseI am quite certain most of us are capable of using a hand held mobile phone relatively safely on a motorway where nobody else is anywhere near us but many think they can do that in all circumstances which is why the law was made
i haven’t mentioned using the phone hand held!. i can operate my phone from the steering wheel including phone book. it can be in the top locker or my bag . i have no need to touch it
Hands free or hand held = makes no difference to the concentration factor
I’m sick of being passed by full timers for all kinds of trucking firms with their personal phone held to their ear as they go past… 
Perhaps VOSA should consider offering me a job - There’d be no shortages when measuring up ‘my productivity’ I can tell you!
Here’s what should be happening all over the place… Old hat footage maybe, but at least it’s in my backyard so to speak.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eTzzCveOA
ROG:
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ROG:
Nobody is talking about capability but about what is the SAFEST thing to do or not do in this caseI am quite certain most of us are capable of using a hand held mobile phone relatively safely on a motorway where nobody else is anywhere near us but many think they can do that in all circumstances which is why the law was made
i haven’t mentioned using the phone hand held!. i can operate my phone from the steering wheel including phone book. it can be in the top locker or my bag . i have no need to touch it
Hands free or hand held = makes no difference to the concentration factor
how do you know, have you attended a course? its the same as having a conversation with a small child in the back of the car i’m still looking at the road ahead just as i am when handsfree. maybe they should ban the jeremy vine show on radio 2 because i end up shouting at the radio when that ■■■■■ on.
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ROG:
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ROG:
Nobody is talking about capability but about what is the SAFEST thing to do or not do in this caseI am quite certain most of us are capable of using a hand held mobile phone relatively safely on a motorway where nobody else is anywhere near us but many think they can do that in all circumstances which is why the law was made
i haven’t mentioned using the phone hand held!. i can operate my phone from the steering wheel including phone book. it can be in the top locker or my bag . i have no need to touch it
Hands free or hand held = makes no difference to the concentration factor
how do you know, have you attended a course? its the same as having a conversation with a small child in the back of the car i’m still looking at the road ahead just as i am when handsfree. maybe they should ban the jeremy vine show on radio 2 because i end up shouting at the radio when that [zb] on.
EH - I posted earlier in this thread that the EXPERTS had come up with the relevant statistics