Truck designed by cyclists

Slackbladder:
Carryfast do you even read other posts? As I have put in other posts there are no draconian sentences, for anyone be they cyclists or drivers, as shown in my last effort. I’ve stated before that if it’s your fault then you should pay the consequences, how’s that ignoring the fact that cyclists put themselves in danger? I am fully aware that they do, I’ve seen them do it. On the other hand you seem to think that no driver is ever at fault in accidents with bikes. At least I can admit that some, not all by a long way, cyclists are complete tools on the road. It seems that as soon as you mention cyclist on this forum, all drivers become blameless road gods that should not have to mix with the riff raff bike users, whose sole intention is to throw themselves under the nearest truck so the driver goes to jail for years. Odd that the majority of other threads detail how bad some drivers are. Your own posts clearly show incidents where it’s the drivers fault, the bus driver for instance, or is it the cyclists fault that he ploughed into the back of her at 26 mph because he wasn’t looking? The taxi incident is an indication of how lenient courts are to drivers. It’s one incident, I don’t need to list them all as it would take too long.
Cyclists have as much right to be on the road as anyone else, read your HWC if your not sure. Get over yourself.

As I read it you’ve ‘actually’ used an unrepresentative example,concerning the case of a cab driver,being fined £35 in relation to a collision with a cyclist,that we obviously don’t know all the facts about which led to such a lenient sentence,to then make the case that there are no potential ‘draconian’ sentences at all,of the type which you’d like to see,imposed ever on anyone driving a motor vehicle,who’s unlucky enough to end up in a collision with one of the typical suicidal maniac militant cyclist lot,which is plainly bs.

Yes in the event of a driver causing a serious accident then they should expect to pay the consequences.However that doesn’t seem consistent with the current situation in which we’ve got anarchy on the roads.Caused by the combination of bonkers road traffic regs,which refuse to seperate two types of traffic, ( motor vehicles and cyclists ),by not allowing cyclists to use the pavements,added to which is the situation that too many of those cyclists on the roads have absolutely no road sense whatsoever to the point of having suicidal tendencies.

In that environment there’s no way that any driver with any sense would be stupid enough to support your ideas in which you seem to be saying that drivers should be jailed in the case of all accidents involving motor vehicles and cyclists considering that in most cases such accidents are very likely to involve at least serious injury if not fatality in the case of the cyclist.

So in your ideas who exactly decides ‘fault’ in an environment where the idea of many cyclists being suicidal nutters who’s sole intention is to throw themselves under the wheels of a truck etc so ( under your rules ) the driver ends up going to jail,is a fact.Added to which is the absolutely bonkers idea of mixing motor traffic with cyclists instead of putting those cyclists where they belong on the pavement wherever possible.In that environment motor vehicle users need every bit of help,in the case of discretion shown by the courts,that they can get.Without that then every road journey by motor vehicle is likely to turn into an unacceptable risk,to the driver concerned,of losing their freedom all because some stupid cyclist wants to treat every journey as a tour de france race stage and/or hasn’t got a clue concerning what it takes to stay alive using such a vulnerable method of transport amongst general road traffic.That’s in addition to bonkers road traffic laws which put them into that situation instead of putting them on the pavement where they belong.

How is it unrepresentative? If you read a previous post it states that despite being charged with killing a person through dangerous driving, only one in three gets a custodial sentence, draconian? I think not. The maximum sentence is 14 years, so far not one driver has got anywhere near that. Where did I say all drivers should be jailed? I think you need to go back and re read some of the posts. If you want segregated lanes then I suggest you move to holland. Boris has put forward a plan to spend millions getting them in London though. Why do you think cyclists should go on the path? It’s the stupidest idea I’ve heard yet. Cyclists won’t be going away anytime soon so all I can suggest is you keep a sharp lookout in those mythical blind spots, unless you fancy some of them shower room shenanigans that is.

Slackbladder:
How is it unrepresentative? If you read a previous post it states that despite being charged with killing a person through dangerous driving, only one in three gets a custodial sentence, draconian? I think not. The maximum sentence is 14 years, so far not one driver has got anywhere near that. Where did I say all drivers should be jailed? I think you need to go back and re read some of the posts. If you want segregated lanes then I suggest you move to holland. Boris has put forward a plan to spend millions getting them in London though. Why do you think cyclists should go on the path? It’s the stupidest idea I’ve heard yet. Cyclists won’t be going away anytime soon so all I can suggest is you keep a sharp lookout in those mythical blind spots, unless you fancy some of them shower room shenanigans that is.

It doesn’t matter to me because luckily I won’t be driving any more trucks but don’t forget before being sent down the unlucky driver will/should be given a fair trial so let’s just hope that it’s not those with your ideas and agenda who are judging the case or on the jury.But the fact that you can’t see any safety benefits in putting cyclists on the pavement away from motorised traffic ( which just like cycles won’t be going away any time soon ), while obviously being all about locking up drivers for 14 years when the inevitable eventually happens,owing to their bonkers, ( often politically driven ) suicidal ideas,concerning ‘their right to use the roads’ and ‘road safety’ ,says everything. :imp: :unamused:

Good to see you really take note of what I say carryfast. I do think all should have a fair trial, just the sentence should reflect whose to blame. Cycling on the pavement is against the law in this country, don’t know how many more times I have to say that before it sinks in, that’s not going to change anytime soon. 14 years is the maximum tarrif available to the courts as set out by government along with the cps, regarding causing death by dangerous driving, not my agenda or my idea, it was in one of your earlier posts I believe. my problem is that the cps are reluctant to use it, despite overwhelming evidence, instead going for a lesser charge and, therefore a lesser sentence.
Maybe you could spend some of your free time trying to change the law.

Slackbladder:
Good to see you really take note of what I say carryfast. I do think all should have a fair trial, just the sentence should reflect whose to blame. Cycling on the pavement is against the law in this country, don’t know how many more times I have to say that before it sinks in, that’s not going to change anytime soon. 14 years is the maximum tarrif available to the courts as set out by government along with the cps, regarding causing death by dangerous driving, not my agenda or my idea, it was in one of your earlier posts I believe. my problem is that the cps are reluctant to use it, despite overwhelming evidence, instead going for a lesser charge and, therefore a lesser sentence.
Maybe you could spend some of your free time trying to change the law.

The way I read it is that you’re whingeing about the lack of severity of the penalties imposed on drivers involved in road traffic accidents involving cyclists.I’ve provided loads of examples which show that such accidents often involve the charge of causing death by dangerous driving.If you take your idea to it’s logical conclusion you’r supporting the idea of up to 14 year jail terms being imposed on drivers involved in such accidents.

As I’ve said in the present environment concerning the risks of drivers of motor vehicles sharing the roads with often careless,militant politically driven,cyclists verging on the suicidal,it’s not surprising that judges are ( rightly ) reluctant to impose such penalties.

The fact that your idea seems to be all about supporting the continuation of the present situation,concerning the ridiculous situation of the sharing of road space,between two totally incompatible types of road users,when the much safer alternative of using pavements for cyclists wherever possible should be available,while at the same time supporting an agenda of a more draconian sentencing regime relating to drivers in the event of the inevitable resulting road accidents,says everything about your agenda in my view.

Therefore maybe it’s you who should be spending more of your time calling for cyclists to be able to use pavements wherever possible before/instead of calling for harsher more draconian penalties to be imposed on drivers for the inevitable results of present transport policy related to road use by cyclists.

I think your sanatogen must be kicking in. I’ve commented on what I think are inadequate sentences when it’s proved the vehicle driver was in the wrong. I’ve missed your loads of examples of causing death by dangerous driving, I have looked back, you haven’t posted any. If you’ve read my posts the " logical conclusion" is if a driver kills by way of dangerous driving then they should get a proper sentence, 14 is the max, nobodies got it yet, don’t expect they will.
I don’t agree with the rest of your politically motivated warped bs, you wouldn’t expect me to. You want bikes on the paths so you don’t care about pedestrians, oh btw, we are all pedestrians when we got off the bike or out the cab. Where would you want cyclists the first time one nearly runs into you? It’s not your road, it’s everyone’s road.

Slackbladder:
I think your sanatogen must be kicking in. I’ve commented on what I think are inadequate sentences when it’s proved the vehicle driver was in the wrong. I’ve missed your loads of examples of causing death by dangerous driving, I have looked back, you haven’t posted any. If you’ve read my posts the " logical conclusion" is if a driver kills by way of dangerous driving then they should get a proper sentence, 14 is the max, nobodies got it yet, don’t expect they will.
I don’t agree with the rest of your politically motivated warped bs, you wouldn’t expect me to. You want bikes on the paths so you don’t care about pedestrians, oh btw, we are all pedestrians when we got off the bike or out the cab. Where would you want cyclists the first time one nearly runs into you? It’s not your road, it’s everyone’s road.

You obviously didn’t look back through my posts well enough because,as I said,there’s plenty of examples within them of that charge being an issue facing the drivers in question including the left turn incident concerning the bus involved in the Olympics venue case.As for cycles using pavements why do you seem to have an issue concerning the far easier requirement for cyclists to ride with the same consideration shown to pedestrians in that case,as you expect of drivers of motor vehicles in the far more difficult requirement of driving such vehicles amongst,in many cases,a load of suicidal,politically militant, cyclists.Who in many cases are happy enough to use pavements anyway when it suits them which is a bit like the double standards which they apply in the case of them wanting loads of room left by vehicles when overtaking them but they seem happy enough to ride cycles along the nearside of vehicles with little,if any clearance when it suits them.

youtube.com/watch?v=12fMTAQyXTI

No surprise that video shows both the issues of cyclists not even wanting to use cycle paths which have been provided on the pavement for them and also being happy enough to run closely alongside a truck putting themselves in danger when it suits them.All of which seems to confirm that drivers are being targeted by a load of politically motivated,suicidal,militant cyclists.Which obviously includes ideas like yours of imposing draconian sentences on drivers when the inevitable results of that eventually happen,as part of that.

Have we got to the bit where it’s Hitler’s fault yet? I haven’t been paying attention. :smiley:

somewhere in the above someone mentioned the highway code ,perhaps if all road users adhered to it things would be a bit safer for everyone :neutral_face:

syramax:
somewhere in the above someone mentioned the highway code ,perhaps if all road users adhered to it things would be a bit safer for everyone :neutral_face:

Like keeping to cycle paths where provided for example.
But if the authorities seem happy enough to let cyclists and pedestrians share walkways in some cases why not then just do the job properly by allowing the same everywhere. :bulb:

The Sarge:
Yup, natural selection - the gene pool is improved, but I end up going to jail and having to live with the fact that I (inadvertently) caused somebodies death. Bloody marvellous :unamused:

Do you have a problem with running over a rabbit or hitting a pigeon?

If the cyclist is stupid enough to get in your blind spots they probably rate on a par with wildlife,

(I’m a cyclist too)

They should have cycles designed by truckers. 6 foot wide and 8 foot long with a bright orange flag on a pole attached to the back of it.

Waco:
‘… Anyone know where I can get cheap tomato plants…?’

Wilkinsons :smiley:

Only me, carryfast, I’ve checked your posts again, you’ve put in 7 driving related examples of what you seem to think is dangerous driving. Three are the same, the tool getting caught between truck & bus, 1 from the cps explaining what dangerous driving could get, 2 are about the cyclist killed at the Olympic park, driver arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving pending investigation, that’s the norm I believe, and one about the bus driver charged with DD, considering he hit a cyclist from behind at 26 mph & it was proved he was not paying attention I think he was lucky . He got 1 year, he will do a max of 6 months, out on licence after 3 months, yeah that’s fair. Hardly loads is it.
We don’t all have some sort of agenda, despite you thinking we are all politically motivated, suicidal loons. Im not even in a cycling club, I don’t ride with anyone else. I ride to work because I like to stay fit, and it’s quicker, oh and the wife uses the car for work so, you keep those paranoid thoughts of yours festering away, I will keep riding.

I have an 8x4 tipper and can see all round it with the use of mirrors and a reverse camera,I do not need any thing else, the secret is I must use them all of them at all time.The other part of the system is the fool on the bike he should be made to wear head to toe high vis clothes and obay all traffic law and yes be insured ,tested and have a basic cycle test .If all this does not work then by all means try your glass cab tipper.

That’s a good idea fuse, I do wear hi viz clothing, i am insured and I do follow the rules of the road. Currently there is no test. I have still been t-boned three times by cars, luckily no serious injuries, all drivers said they didn’t see me, I’m 6 ft & 15 stone, if you cannot see me in daylight you should not be behind the wheel. What do you suggest next?

Slackbladder:
That’s a good idea fuse, I do wear hi viz clothing, i am insured and I do follow the rules of the road. Currently there is no test. I have still been t-boned three times by cars, luckily no serious injuries, all drivers said they didn’t see me, I’m 6 ft & 15 stone, if you cannot see me in daylight you should not be behind the wheel. What do you suggest next?

you bloody do gooder cyclist do my head what about the idiots who ride on the walkway and injury people is it not illegal for bikes to ride on the pavement.

shoot all cyclist, only kidding just the keep the fit women cyclist is lyrca!! MMM

Slackbladder:
That’s a good idea fuse, I do wear hi viz clothing, i am insured and I do follow the rules of the road. Currently there is no test. I have still been t-boned three times by cars, luckily no serious injuries, all drivers said they didn’t see me, I’m 6 ft & 15 stone, if you cannot see me in daylight you should not be behind the wheel. What do you suggest next?

What do you expect from your average car driver. How many lorries have T-boned you??

As I’m still here none so far. I’ve said before I’ve never had a problem with trucks, they tend to give me room, and I don’t bike up the inside of them.
Discoman, I’ve no more control over what other cyclist do than you have over other motorists, I just try to keep myself safe. And yes, it is illegal to ride on the pavement in this country.

youtube.com/embed/BoBye7ch1WI
I’ve certainly not had any like this, the driver seems to be a little stressed, as well as just little.