Transervice - UK needs Polish drivers!

Honestscott76:

Franglais:
Where does the “shortfall of 40,000 drivers” in the UK come from? Anyone know please?

Over 3 Million UK unemployed.

Closer to 1.6 million as I understand it - which is about 5.1% of the working population - or roughly half the rate of EU as a whole…

The only shortage is the where people won’t work for 2 bob outfits on £8 an hour.

The country is awash with licence holders, the country is not awash with competent conscientious and professional drivers, these already have well paid jobs for decent employers.

tommy t:

Carryfast:
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e … m-36252295

Yet this vile and very sick man was telling the UK’s unemployed that they could compete with this level of migration for jobs, when he was tory minister for DWP
He cares for no one other than himself , And he will be back in the tory party after the referendum bo doubt

They are all liars and British politics is very corrupt, time we got rid of them all and started again a clean slate

To be fair if he was for himself he’d have kept his head down and stayed neutral in the arguments.Then just go with whoever wins out after the referendum.If you look closely at where he stands and his argument the suggestion is that he was following the Party line not his own.Until finally reaching a breaking point and then walking away. :bulb:

On that note,unlike people like Norman Tebbit,I’d give IDS the benefit of the doubt in that he’s obviously damaged his own career prospects massively on a matter of principle,if Cameron wins out on the EU issue.Make no mistake the EU vote is all about the credibility of IDS’ and Farage’s position v that of Corbyn’s on what’s good for the working class and now isn’t the time to question the credibility of the former two v Corbyn’s.The fact is Stevie Wonder could see that the EU is a cheap labour scam that benefits big business and there’s probably no way that IDS would have been stupid enough to have shot himself in the foot in that regard,by going against it if he wasn’t genuinely concerned about the issue.As opposed to Corbyn’s bs that the EU is supposedly good for the working class as a cover for his Socialist anti nation state ideological position.

Roymondo:

Honestscott76:

Franglais:
Where does the “shortfall of 40,000 drivers” in the UK come from? Anyone know please?

Over 3 Million UK unemployed.

Closer to 1.6 million as I understand it - which is about 5.1% of the working population - or roughly half the rate of EU as a whole…

Like inflation it’s clear that we are dealing with rigged optimistic figures.IE school leavers/young people generally aren’t included being forced into non job ‘training schemes’ or very low paid menial work or ‘further education’.Among other numerous dodges like arbitrarily taking people off the register for numerous unfounded reasons.

On that note we don’t see drivers welcoming redundancy as an ‘opportunity’ to move on to better paid better work as would be expected in a so called under supplied labour market. :bulb:

Why do you all think Polish or other Eastern Europeans have less experience then you or are payed minimum wage■■?
All EE I know in UK make very good money, including lorry drivers.
From Chainsaw we know his Polish colleague makes 5 000 more then he do.
Why is this assumption that if a driver is from EE he is unexperienced? Why do you think previous jobs experience cant be checked, mine can, my Polish buddy can as well, I got references, heck I even have a company reward for being a safe driver with no tickets or citation after 6 or DOT inspections.
When you gonna realize that not all EE are the same, not all Brits are the same etc.

P.S. Please blame the system and your elected officials for allowing this to happen, instead of us(EE) legal migrants all the time. Thanks!

Dolph:
Why do you all think Polish or other Eastern Europeans have less experience then you or are payed minimum wage■■?
All EE I know in UK make very good money, including lorry drivers.
From Chainsaw we know his Polish colleague makes 5 000 more then he do.
Why is this assumption that if a driver is from EE he is unexperienced? Why do you think previous jobs experience cant be checked, mine can, my Polish buddy can as well, I got references, heck I even have a company reward for being a safe driver with no tickets or citation after 6 or DOT inspections.
When you gonna realize that not all EE are the same, not all Brits are the same etc.

P.S. Please blame the system and your elected officials for allowing this to happen, instead of us(EE) legal migrants all the time. Thanks!

The actual figure is a red herring.When the issue is all about unarguable ‘downward pressure’ on wage levels as a result of opening up the labour market to much less advanced economies.While it would be justified to blame such immigrant labour on the grounds that they’d prefer to put the resulting burden of low pay in their own countries onto other more developed ones thereby over supplying the labour market and reducing wage levels in those countries.As opposed to sorting out the issues of low pay in their own countries.

On that note Corbyn seems to be selectively overlooking the issue of an EU wide minimum wage to stop such economic migration which would at least add more credibility to his bs arguments, that EU membership is supposedly good for the working class.As opposed to his real agenda which is all about the removal of national borders and chasing the immigrant vote. :imp: :unamused:

Carryfast:

tommy t:

Carryfast:
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e … m-36252295

Yet this vile and very sick man was telling the UK’s unemployed that they could compete with this level of migration for jobs, when he was tory minister for DWP
He cares for no one other than himself , And he will be back in the tory party after the referendum bo doubt

They are all liars and British politics is very corrupt, time we got rid of them all and started again a clean slate

To be fair if he was for himself he’d have kept his head down and stayed neutral in the arguments.Then just go with whoever wins out after the referendum.If you look closely at where he stands and his argument the suggestion is that he was following the Party line not his own.Until finally reaching a breaking point and then walking away. :bulb:

On that note,unlike people like Norman Tebbit,I’d give IDS the benefit of the doubt in that he’s obviously damaged his own career prospects massively on a matter of principle,if Cameron wins out on the EU issue.Make no mistake the EU vote is all about the credibility of IDS’ and Farage’s position v that of Corbyn’s on what’s good for the working class and now isn’t the time to question the credibility of the former two v Corbyn’s.The fact is Stevie Wonder could see that the EU is a cheap labour scam that benefits big business and there’s probably no way that IDS would have been stupid enough to have shot himself in the foot in that regard,by going against it if he wasn’t genuinely concerned about the issue.As opposed to Corbyn’s bs that the EU is supposedly good for the working class as a cover for his Socialist anti nation state ideological position.

IDS wasn’t forced to stay in the Tory party ,Most of the welfare reforms and massive waste of tax payers money on things like the floored Universal credit are down to him, he was the one who came up with these ideas that have inflicted a lot of unnecessary hardship and suffering on Britain sick & disabled and unemployed
He is a very deluded sick individual, and he did not suddenly get a conscience and leave the Tory party has he claims that is total bs!!If he really had done that he could of stopped other proposed benefit cuts to the sick & disabled the fact that he did nothing speaks volumes
I wonder he he still the tory MP for chingford ?

The fact he and Boris are running the leave campaign is a ploy by the tory party , of course they will deny this , but they are amongst the 2 most hated MP’s in the Tory party
Boris thinks he will become PM should we leave the EU, and baldy will be back at the top again, Dodgy Dave has already said he won’t be standing for PM at the next election

I still want us to leave the EU, But IDS is full of BS and as a result of these 2 clowns who no one likes or trusts it will seal dodgy Dave’s deal , as they are banking on no one voting to leave the EU I hope we do leave it, and this is followed by an early general election

IDS was given the job of overhauling the benefits system in this country, his idea of universal credit is a sound one, it was George Osbourne and the treasury that scuppered it, that is why IDS resigned his post, that sounds like principals to me! The benefit system is out of control in this country and is the main reason we are being flooded with economic immigrants. Most of you will know people who are scamming disability or are financially better off on benefits.

CHAINSAW:
IDS was given the job of overhauling the benefits system in this country, his idea of universal credit is a sound one, it was George Osbourne and the treasury that scuppered it, that is why IDS resigned his post, that sounds like principals to me! The benefit system is out of control in this country and is the main reason we are being flooded with economic immigrants. Most of you will know people who are scamming disability or are financially better off on benefits.

I disagree with that in part TORY MANTRA based on bs, And universal credit is the biggest waste of public money that ever was , even their IT systems do not work
theguardian.com/politics/201 … -waste-mps
There surprisingly is a very small amount of benefit fraud it’s costing very little, It’s pensions and all the other add on benefits paid to the most wealthy pensioners that don’t need it, that makes up the biggest part of the benefits bill,

And as for your incorrect assumption that there are many people scamming the sickness benefit system, again your wrong, Because there is documentary evidence to suggest differently, in fact IDS is responsible for many deaths check out the governments death stats, that IDS tried to hide for becoming public, They through his meddling have been systematically denying sickness benefits to thousands who are too sick to work via the Work capability assessment carried out by foriegn private companies, these have targets to find a percentage fit for work regardless of their medical conditions , this and setting secret targets with Job centres to set many up to fail ,and apply benefit sanctions to massage the jobless figures, as anyone sanctioned isnt counted as unemployed ect,
IDS is a sick and twisted individual , And His reforms have done nothing to cut the numbers overall

Oh and with all this imported slave like labour it isn’t difficult to be better off on benefits, even if you is only getting £73.10 per +housing costs because of ■■■■ like ZERO HRS contracts and the unliveable wage level that should be around £10 per hour by now

CHAINSAW:
IDS was given the job of overhauling the benefits system in this country, his idea of universal credit is a sound one, it was George Osbourne and the treasury that scuppered it, that is why IDS resigned his post, that sounds like principals to me! The benefit system is out of control in this country and is the main reason we are being flooded with economic immigrants. Most of you will know people who are scamming disability or are financially better off on benefits.

The only way to ‘over haul’ the benefits system is to ditch it altogether including the NHS.Then put the burden of social costs on wages in the form of private provision where it belongs and a realistic minimum wage which covers it all.While it’s obvious that existing claimants can’t make that transition.

As for anyone ‘scamming benefits’ it’s more a case of the minimum wage not being enough to even match the subsistence level of so called ‘cover’ provided by the social security system not that the social security system provides too much.IE no one with any sense would trust the social security system to cover household costs in the event of redundancy or sickness.Resulting in the state rip off of having to pay for effectively worthless social security cover and private income protection cover.

Of which trust me the latter far outweighs the benefits available from the former.Which is why you won’t find many redundant or medically discharged train drivers or pilots being reliant on the social security system nor subject to your type of badly informed ideas in the event of a claim.With no need to satisfy bs conditions like those required to claim the effectively worthless so called ‘incapacity benefit’ etc which effectively only kicks in if someone is paralysed from the neck down as opposed to being just being declared unfit to carry out their own job category.On that note feel free to subsidise your guvnor’s ‘competitiveness’ ( profit margins ) in the form of substandard social costs provision.But don’t expect others to join you.

As for IDS,like Farage,ironically for both your view and tommy t’s view I think he’s actually seen the light in that regard.In suddenly realising that he’s been acting as a naive puppet of the CBI to subsidise the profits of the few at the expense of working class living standards in general.Whether it be employed workers,sick workers,or retired workers or possibly sick and retired workers. :bulb: :unamused:

tommy t:
IDS is a sick and twisted individual , And His reforms have done nothing to cut the numbers overall

Oh and with all this imported slave like labour it isn’t difficult to be better off on benefits, even if you is only getting £73.10 per +housing costs because of [zb] like ZERO HRS contracts and the unliveable wage level that should be around £10 per hour by now

As I said IDS made it very clear that he was acting on the orders of those above him who themselves are acting on the orders of the CBI albeit enthusiastically in their case.He also made it equally clear that he has walked away from that on the basis that he could no longer personally stomach it.On that note it’s crucial to us getting out of the EU scam that the Labour vote gives him and Farage the benefit of the doubt on that issue.

As opposed to Corbyn.Who says he’s all for ‘the workers’ while at the same time following the same CBI agenda as Blair and Cameron. :unamused:

tommy t:

CHAINSAW:
IDS was given the job of overhauling the benefits system in this country, his idea of universal credit is a sound one, it was George Osbourne and the treasury that scuppered it, that is why IDS resigned his post, that sounds like principals to me! The benefit system is out of control in this country and is the main reason we are being flooded with economic immigrants. Most of you will know people who are scamming disability or are financially better off on benefits.

I disagree with that in part TORY MANTRA based on bs, And universal credit is the biggest waste of public money that ever was , even their IT systems do not work
theguardian.com/politics/201 … -waste-mps
There surprisingly is a very small amount of benefit fraud it’s costing very little, It’s pensions and all the other add on benefits paid to the most wealthy pensioners that don’t need it, that makes up the biggest part of the benefits bill,

And as for your incorrect assumption that there are many people scamming the sickness benefit system, again your wrong, Because there is documentary evidence to suggest differently, in fact IDS is responsible for many deaths check out the governments death stats, that IDS tried to hide for becoming public, They through his meddling have been systematically denying sickness benefits to thousands who are too sick to work via the Work capability assessment carried out by foriegn private companies, these have targets to find a percentage fit for work regardless of their medical conditions , this and setting secret targets with Job centres to set many up to fail ,and apply benefit sanctions to massage the jobless figures, as anyone sanctioned isnt counted as unemployed ect,
IDS is a sick and twisted individual , And His reforms have done nothing to cut the numbers overall

Oh and with all this imported slave like labour it isn’t difficult to be better off on benefits, even if you is only getting £73.10 per +housing costs because of [zb] like ZERO HRS contracts and the unliveable wage level that should be around £10 per hour by now

I agree with most of what you are saying but the idea of Universal Credit was a sound one if it was properly imposed. I agree that there are a lot of sick / ill people who have not been allowed the correct benefit due to the meddlings to get people off ESA when they are due it , I know two people who are unfit to work but have been denied it, the fact still stands if it wasn’t for the scum who are getting hundreds a week when there I ■■■■ all wrong with them we might not be in this situation. There are a minimum of 10 million people in this country in receipt of benefits of some kind!

Carryfast my “ill informed ideas” are just that _mine, just as I don’t agree with a lot of your ideas/ideals I still respect your right to air them. I actually think a lot of what you say on here makes sense, as a country we need to become great again, but we won’t do that by allowing a whole class to rely on handouts! See the difference between how Norway and UK spent their ill gotten North Sea oil money, ours was wasted paying the benefits rather than investing in the countries future. I won’t get into an essay writing competition with you over this but I will take into consideration your view.

Carryfast:

tommy t:
IDS is a sick and twisted individual , And His reforms have done nothing to cut the numbers overall

Oh and with all this imported slave like labour it isn’t difficult to be better off on benefits, even if you is only getting £73.10 per +housing costs because of [zb] like ZERO HRS contracts and the unliveable wage level that should be around £10 per hour by now

As I said IDS made it very clear that he was acting on the orders of those above him who themselves are acting on the orders of the CBI albeit enthusiastically in their case.He also made it equally clear that he has walked away from that on the basis that he could no longer personally stomach it.On that note it’s crucial to us getting out of the EU scam that the Labour vote gives him and Farage the benefit of the doubt on that issue.

As opposed to Corbyn.Who says he’s all for ‘the workers’ while at the same time following the same CBI agenda as Blair and Cameron. :unamused:

But ids did not have to implement the welfare reforms in the way he has , It was his call Dodgy left him to it most of the time, And as the saying goes a leopard never changes its spots, He can’t change he is a vIle individual just as that thick bint esther Mc vey is, (in Liverpool she was known as Mc vile) , and many would love to give him a good kicking or worse ,that will never change either, you tell that to the families of those that have died days later after being found fit for work by ATOS those same people who should of never even been put through the Face 2 face farce AKA WCA , even the BMA has condemned it as not fit for purpose ,

tommy t:

Carryfast:

tommy t:
IDS is a sick and twisted individual , And His reforms have done nothing to cut the numbers overall

Oh and with all this imported slave like labour it isn’t difficult to be better off on benefits, even if you is only getting £73.10 per +housing costs because of [zb] like ZERO HRS contracts and the unliveable wage level that should be around £10 per hour by now

As I said IDS made it very clear that he was acting on the orders of those above him who themselves are acting on the orders of the CBI albeit enthusiastically in their case.He also made it equally clear that he has walked away from that on the basis that he could no longer personally stomach it.On that note it’s crucial to us getting out of the EU scam that the Labour vote gives him and Farage the benefit of the doubt on that issue.

As opposed to Corbyn.Who says he’s all for ‘the workers’ while at the same time following the same CBI agenda as Blair and Cameron. :unamused:

But ids did not have to implement the welfare reforms in the way he has , It was his call Dodgy left him to it most of the time, And as the saying goes a leopard never changes its spots, He can’t change he is a vIle individual just as that thick bint esther Mc vey is, (in Liverpool she was known as Mc vile) , and many would love to give him a good kicking or worse ,that will never change either, you tell that to the families of those that have died days later after being found fit for work by ATOS those same people who should of never even been put through the Face 2 face farce AKA WCA , even the BMA has condemned it as not fit for purpose ,

Sickness Benefit and Invalidity benefits were both Conservative policies ironically under Heath in this case.Which were changed to Incapacity Benefit under Major’s government and had nothing to do with IDS.Incapacity Benefit introducing the change from covering your own occupation subject to a doctor’s note to effectively worthless total physical incapacity to do any hypothetical job subject to government sanctioned tests to prove same.Which is where we are now in even stricter form also affecting the previous DLA provision.Bearing in mind that at no point did Blair’s administration attempt to reverse Major’s changes.So a civilised Conservative implemented sickness benefit system undone by a later Conservative administration then supported and maintained by Labour.I’d suggest that IDS’s personal position is closer to the ideals of that former Conservative administration in that regard than the latter or for that matter Blair’s.While it’s obvious that he had to implement government policy so long as he was in that position.Which he obviously then walked away from for exactly that reason. :bulb:

On that note I should know having been denied Incapacity Benefit under Blair’s regime on exactly those grounds of not meeting the conditions of ‘the all work test’ having been sacked from my job after 15 years on medical grounds.Luckily for me I was bright enough to have covered myself with private income protection provision. :bulb: :wink:

Carryfast:

tommy t:

Carryfast:

tommy t:
IDS is a sick and twisted individual , And His reforms have done nothing to cut the numbers overall

Oh and with all this imported slave like labour it isn’t difficult to be better off on benefits, even if you is only getting £73.10 per +housing costs because of [zb] like ZERO HRS contracts and the unliveable wage level that should be around £10 per hour by now

As I said IDS made it very clear that he was acting on the orders of those above him who themselves are acting on the orders of the CBI albeit enthusiastically in their case.He also made it equally clear that he has walked away from that on the basis that he could no longer personally stomach it.On that note it’s crucial to us getting out of the EU scam that the Labour vote gives him and Farage the benefit of the doubt on that issue.

As opposed to Corbyn.Who says he’s all for ‘the workers’ while at the same time following the same CBI agenda as Blair and Cameron. :unamused:

But ids did not have to implement the welfare reforms in the way he has , It was his call Dodgy left him to it most of the time, And as the saying goes a leopard never changes its spots, He can’t change he is a vIle individual just as that thick bint esther Mc vey is, (in Liverpool she was known as Mc vile) , and many would love to give him a good kicking or worse ,that will never change either, you tell that to the families of those that have died days later after being found fit for work by ATOS those same people who should of never even been put through the Face 2 face farce AKA WCA , even the BMA has condemned it as not fit for purpose ,

Sickness Benefit and Invalidity benefits were both Conservative policies ironically under Heath in this case.Which were changed to Incapacity Benefit under Major’s government and had nothing to do with IDS.Incapacity Benefit introducing the change from covering your own occupation subject to a doctor’s note to effectively worthless total physical incapacity to do any hypothetical job subject to government sanctioned tests to prove same.Which is where we are now in even stricter form also affecting the previous DLA provision.Bearing in mind that at no point did Blair’s administration attempt to reverse Major’s changes.So a civilised Conservative implemented sickness benefit system undone by a later Conservative administration then supported and maintained by Labour.I’d suggest that IDS’s personal position is closer to the ideals of that former Conservative administration in that regard than the latter or for that matter Blair’s.While it’s obvious that he had to implement government policy so long as he was in that position.Which he obviously then walked away from for exactly that reason. :bulb:

On that note I should know having been denied Incapacity Benefit under Blair’s regime on exactly those grounds of not meeting the conditions of ‘the all work test’ having been sacked from my job after 15 years on medical grounds.Luckily for me I was bright enough to have covered myself with private income protection provision. :bulb: :wink:

This government (IDS) are responsible for changes made to the criteria making it harder for the sick to get ESA as it is called today Gone have the days of incapacity benefit since 2008 ,brought in by the last labour government ,But made almost impossible to claim by IDS then you have the Work programme another failure and some of the providers (again private companies) have been prosecuted for fraud , But from 2017 the work programme is going to end, and be replaced by something called the health and work programme There’s talk about Job centres having Doctors in them, and them being able to give therapy,in short they are going to force the sick to work no doubt, IDS was the brainchild behind this, Don’t buy into the bull crap in the press , He is an evil despicable,excuse of a human being He should be thrown to the lions(Sick ,unemployed, disabled)

tommy t:
This government (IDS) are responsible for changes made to the criteria making it harder for the sick to get ESA as it is called today Gone have the days of incapacity benefit since 2008 ,brought in by the last labour government ,But made almost impossible to claim by IDS then you have the Work programme another failure and some of the providers (again private companies) have been prosecuted for fraud , But from 2017 the work programme is going to end, and be replaced by something called the health and work programme There’s talk about Job centres having Doctors in them, and them being able to give therapy,in short they are going to force the sick to work no doubt, IDS was the brainchild behind this, Don’t buy into the bull crap in the press , He is an evil despicable,excuse of a human being He should be thrown to the lions(Sick ,unemployed, disabled)

Feel free to explain what’s the difference between being denied access to Incapacity Benefit under Major’s government or under Blair’s Labour as opposed to being denied access to ESA on exactly the same grounds,( not meeting exactly the same conditions regards the definition of ‘Incapacity’,in the form of the ‘all work test’ which effectively means paralysis from the neck down and which was actually introduced in the change from Invalidity Benefit to Incapacity Benefit implemented under Major by Peter Lilley ‘NOT’ any change from IB to ESA implemented by IDS ) whether under Cameron’s Conservative or Major’s Conservative or Blair’s Labour administrations.In all cases it being Party policy just implemented by the minister put into the job who may or may not agree with what they are doing themselves.IDS,unlike Peter Lilley,or Harriet Harman in my case,having shown exactly where he stands by walking away from the job having made it clear the policy he was being instructed to implement was ‘indefensible’.On that note no IDS didn’t make it any ‘harder’ to claim ESA than Major or Blair made it to claim IB v the previous Invalidity benefit.IDS actually having walked away because of the conditions for claiming the old DLA having been/continuing to be brought into line with IB and then ESA.IE a change in the system resulting in an onerous definition of Incapacity to the point of making the benefit effectively non existent and pointless while still charging the same level in taxes for it.All of which would be grounds for breach of contract in the case of private income protection cover. :bulb: :unamused:

IDS has blood on his hands He has brought in changes and even devised them UC a waste of £160million because it doesn’t work, He could of walked away years ago but he didn’t why is that then? He is a liar he actually believes his ideas used to persecute the sick and disabled were fair, he’s a complete ■■■■■■ a psychopath even
You have bought this crap I and many others haven’t, But it doesn’t mean we want to remain in the EU, But when you have the Eton Toffs Tories running both the remain and leave campaigns What chance of leaving the EU do you realistically think we have? The whole thing as long as it’s run or fronted by tories is nothing more than a sham It’s a forgone conclusion that we will remain in the EU We don’t count in their world

IDS has changed the goalposts to ESA criteria many times more than any other DWP minister ,He also Changed JSA rules to Like the 2yr work programme ,that is a waste of money , abuse of the sanction system that until he got control sanctions had rarely ever been used and were a last resort, now they are over used
And then there is the future if Boris or IDS ever became PM we would be well and truly up that brown creek because that safety net( Benefits ) that we Supposedly all pay for in our taxes wouldn’t be there any-more
independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 68503.html
politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/02 … is-causing

camdennewjournal.com/IDS-sanctions

theguardian.com/commentisfre … insons-dwp
leftfootforward.org/2015/08/tory … e-to-work/
Here is a more believable reason why he left ,
independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 40881.html
And this is one of his legacies he didn’t reverse that did he■■?
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35749078

And there’s a shed load more about how despicable he really is, god help anyone who should fall sick and can’t work, you will find just how bonkers the system he pushed through really is,

tommy t:
IDS has blood on his hands He has brought in changes and even devised them UC a waste of £160million because it doesn’t work, He could of walked away years ago but he didn’t why is that then? He is a liar he actually believes his ideas used to persecute the sick and disabled were fair, he’s a complete ■■■■■■ a psychopath even
You have bought this crap I and many others haven’t, But it doesn’t mean we want to remain in the EU, But when you have the Eton Toffs Tories running both the remain and leave campaigns What chance of leaving the EU do you realistically think we have? The whole thing as long as it’s run or fronted by tories is nothing more than a sham It’s a forgone conclusion that we will remain in the EU We don’t count in their world

IDS has changed the goalposts to ESA criteria many times more than any other DWP minister ,He also Changed JSA rules to Like the 2yr work programme ,that is a waste of money , abuse of the sanction system that until he got control sanctions had rarely ever been used and were a last resort, now they are over used
And then there is the future if Boris or IDS ever became PM we would be well and truly up that brown creek because that safety net( Benefits ) that we Supposedly all pay for in our taxes wouldn’t be there any-more
independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 68503.html
politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/02 … is-causing

camdennewjournal.com/IDS-sanctions

theguardian.com/commentisfre … insons-dwp
leftfootforward.org/2015/08/tory … e-to-work/
Here is a more believable reason why he left ,
independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 40881.html
And this is one of his legacies he didn’t reverse that did he■■?
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35749078

And there’s a shed load more about how despicable he really is, god help anyone who should fall sick and can’t work, you will find just how bonkers the system he pushed through really is,

Firstly we’ve only got anything like a credible out campaign because of the combined weight of both UKIP and Eurosceptic Conservatives like Liam Fox,David Davis and others.Labour having made their position clear with the exception of those like Kate Hoey. :bulb:

Yes rightly or wrongly the Conservatives are ideologically opposed to the Socialist idea of a government run Social Security system.While ironically also supporting its continuation for obvious reasons in being a government ( CBI ) controllable rationed system.On that note the working class are actually shooting themselves in the foot by supporting the idea of the government controlled scam.In addition to falling for all the divide and rule ‘scrounger’ bs.Rather than going for decent private provision and a minimum wage environment to pay for it.The result being the situation described in your final sentence.Which is nothing new on the basis that only a naive fool would rely on the Social Security system to help them if/when they need it.Which has been the case long before IDS ever got involved with running it and certainly under Labour with the continuation of Lilley’s Incapacity Benefit ‘reforms’ of Heath’s Sickness and Invalidity benefit regime.While if you’re right IDS would have obviously stayed in the job to carry on with the stitch up instead of walking away.Unlike Harriet Harman.The hypocrisy of the Socialists in supporting the zb rationed Social Security system,while making sure that their favoured lot like train drivers,have decent private income protection cover,in the event of sickness or redundancy,says it all in that regard.

As for Boris no I don’t trust him either preferring David Davis and Farage.But as I said in the case of IDS the jury is still out.

We are not short of drivers ,I think there is a wave of employers who are wanting a fat pay out from the tax payer to fund training right down to loans same as uni students so they can cream off money from kids wanting to start out in haulage. ie they are getting money (EARNINGS ) they are all inventing cards for this cards for that and we need to obtain them before we can work.