Off topic for bob. Tried to email but the whole kit & kaboodle is playing up tonight:
youtube.com/watch?v=GCIrZBPo … r_embedded
The good ole days?
Coffeeholic:
Just because the driver has been arrested it doesn’t mean he is guilty. Personally if I was in that situation I would want arresting because then you are questioned under caution and that it is a much for the driver’s protection as anything else.
Exactly, the driver has been arrested, it doesn’t mean he will be charged with the offence. It is standard procedure in an incident like this. 
The real Biffo:
Once it becomes obvious that this will go on for some time, diversion routes are assessed, sometimes needing a patrol to drive it to make sure there are no local blockages (another HATO patrol Barry, leaving the police to concentrate on the incident) then the diversion signs are set,including opening the ones on the countdown markers prior to the closed junction (these are either on the 300, or 200 yds markers, you’ll see under normal conditions one of these is twice the width of the others, when opened it will say "TO REJOIN M6, FOLLOW Δ " or similar,
(Then along the diversion route this symbol will be at every junction.(there are various symbols in use.)
They are either like this, or with the symbol attached to the large route sign prior to a junction.
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The triangular, oblong and round signs do work well along with HR route signs, a lot less confusing than Belgium where they use letters, it is much easier to follow a symbol but you do need to be alert at junctions and not just follow the sheep in front
I just cannot believe some of the [zb] and assumptions posted on this thread by supposedly professional drivers 
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FFS some of you don’t sound mature enough to play with a Tonka toy never mind a real truck
Try looking at things from a different angle and stop worrying about yourself.
Apologies if you are not one of the drivers posting some of the knowledge lacking dickbrain comments on here
I suggest a lot a lot of you stop guessing and suppositioning until you know the FULL facts 
Sorry mate, I know this is an emotive subject, but the auto-censor dodge had to go. dd.
Well said speedyguy getting a bit sick of the ill informed postings on here, the evidence will be gathered & the incident investigated by the correct authorities & the true facts reported & blame apportioned,how can some say about people wandering around the carriageway in the dark about an accident that happened in daylight at 11.15am?
All i will say is the 39 year old guy killed was a friend of mine from Wigan who leaves a wife & young child behind, he was an experienced class 1 driver who knows the dangers of stopping on the hard shoulder & was there only because of a puncture.
So please people let’s show some respect to the families of the two guys killed aswell as the other HGV driver involved.
Thanks Colin.
speedyguy:
I just cannot believe some of the [zb] and assumptions posted on this thread by supposedly professional driversFFS some of you don’t sound mature enough to play with a Tonka toy never mind a real truck
Try looking at things from a different angle and stop worrying about yourself.
Apologies if you are not one of the drivers posting some of the knowledge lacking dickbrain comments on here
I suggest a lot a lot of you stop guessing and suppositioning until you know the FULL facts
spot on!
It would appear that the two people killed were recovery operators.Whilst still very sad,it is perhaps a wake up call to all of us that work on the hard shoulder not to let complacency set in.Not saying that the two men done anything incorrectly,because I do not know the facts.
Still tragic when someone goes to work,regardless of profession,but does not return home, whilst doing their work.
First things first - my thoughts go out to the families and friends of those who were killed.
Thanks to Biffo for the very informative post.
My concern with these incidents is that whilst it is not an indication of guilt when the lorry driver is inevietably arrested, but the fact that there is rarely any follow-up to say whether the lorry driver was found to be at fault or not. In the general publics’ eye, they hear that the lorry driver has been arrested, and then nothing more - guilty then!
I was reading an interesting statistic recently, (can’t for the life of me remember where!), but it said that in 71% of cases where there had been a fatality involving a truck, it had turned out to be a car drivers fault. This would probably be a big shock to the majority of the car only driving population…
There needs to be some follow-up.
I agree, the news papers & tv news should have to follow up on things like this they report on,or as you say some will assume that the arrested was guilty of a crime,
bobthedog:
Wait a minute.I was sat for 4 hours on the QEW in Toronto recently, after someone ran across the highway and was killed, then they made us all reverse up to the previous junction.
That seems a good idea to solve the long wait while proper investigations take place that seems to be the complaint here.
But I can envisage the chaos when the caravan or even a car tries to reverse 2 or three miles.
Did this work well in Toronto?
tommy t:
I agree, the news papers & tv news should have to follow up on things like this they report on,or as you say some will assume that the arrested was guilty of a crime,
Agreed but the only journalism that seems to create any interest is sensationalist juggernaut tosh or b list celebrity rubbish about who is shagging who.
Remember the thread about the Norbert / Salvesen driver near Melton Mowbray. Arrested at the scene,
The Mondeo or Sierra was overloaded, possibly car driver at fault, was there an apology to, or a follow up about the lorry driver. I doubt it.
tommy t:
I agree, the news papers & tv news should have to follow up on things like this they report on,or as you say some will assume that the arrested was guilty of a crime,
On the other hand if there is no news about a person actually being charged it would be safe to assume they were not guilty of anything. A news organisation isn’t going to waste space and time on a non story, and someone not being charged because they did nothing wrong is a non story. If people are too stupid to know someone being arrested doesn’t mean they are guilty of anything that is their problem, we shouldn’t always have to cater for those who need string on their mittens.
woodlands:
bobthedog:
Wait a minute.I was sat for 4 hours on the QEW in Toronto recently, after someone ran across the highway and was killed, then they made us all reverse up to the previous junction.
That seems a good idea to solve the long wait while proper investigations take place that seems to be the complaint here.
But I can envisage the chaos when the caravan or even a car tries to reverse 2 or three miles.
Did this work well in Toronto?
When something like this happens, ourselves and the police will perform “rearward relief” this means we will turn the traffic round and take them back against the flow under control and clear them from the network.
The Highway Man:
woodlands:
bobthedog:
Wait a minute.I was sat for 4 hours on the QEW in Toronto recently, after someone ran across the highway and was killed, then they made us all reverse up to the previous junction.
That seems a good idea to solve the long wait while proper investigations take place that seems to be the complaint here.
But I can envisage the chaos when the caravan or even a car tries to reverse 2 or three miles.
Did this work well in Toronto?When something like this happens, ourselves and the police will perform “rearward relief” this means we will turn the traffic round and take them back against the flow under control and clear them from the network.
I’ve seen people stuck in long delays having to hang their arse over the armco to get some" rearward relief". 
Not pleasant and definitely not for sharing.
Coffeeholic:
I’ve seen people stuck in long delays having to hang their arse over the armco to get some" rearward relief".
I can’t say
harry:
Off topic for bob. Tried to email but the whole kit & kaboodle is playing up tonight:youtube.com/watch?v=GCIrZBPo … r_embedded
The good ole days?
Harry, yeah, good days indeed. Hoping for better luck and a lot more snow this year so I can put new clips up. No HATOs up there, and no H&S either… 
woodlands:
That seems a good idea to solve the long wait while proper investigations take place that seems to be the complaint here.
But I can envisage the chaos when the caravan or even a car tries to reverse 2 or three miles.
Did this work well in Toronto?
It worked as well as anything does in Toronto. The trouble is that the trucks are too long to swing right around so we all had to back up. But they were quite sensible. They got all the cars out of the way then backed us up.
So many seem to think that the arrest of the driver is inconsequential if he or she isn’t charged. It still has a huge effect. If that driver wants to take his kids to Disneyworld he will get taken out of the lineup at customs and questioned by the immigration officers. Any form of official detention is potentially enough to prevent your admittance to the US, among other places. Why they can’t simply caution the driver that he may be subject to arrest if the evidence shows him to be at fault is beyond me.
The Highway Man:
woodlands:
bobthedog:
Wait a minute.I was sat for 4 hours on the QEW in Toronto recently, after someone ran across the highway and was killed, then they made us all reverse up to the previous junction.
That seems a good idea to solve the long wait while proper investigations take place that seems to be the complaint here.
But I can envisage the chaos when the caravan or even a car tries to reverse 2 or three miles.
Did this work well in Toronto?When something like this happens, ourselves and the police will perform “rearward relief” this means we will turn the traffic round and take them back against the flow under control and clear them from the network.
If anyone knows the layby on the B430 (old A43) at Middleton Stoney, you’ll be familiar with “rearward relief”.