Majority of horses weight about 500kgs
I know that from doing the towing calculations on the horse and hound site = forums.horseandhound.co.uk/thre … ic.490195/
Cf looking at the pipes on the trailer you can see the top 2 are set back from the middle the trailer is not loaded symmetrically on purpose ,the sprinter will be close to max weight ,would you like a guess on the trailer nose weight unladen on level ground when the trailer floor is horizontal parallel to the road ?
Punchy Dan:
0Carryfasts new rig
Well it ticks the boxes.
A-frame,Awd- can’t go to fast,and has a draughty cab like carrfast remember and thinks is so brilliant., Just needs a scaffolding board to make bed…
Punchy Dan:
Carryfast:
ROG:
Driver cpc is for those driving lorries and buses
A lorry is not a 3.5 tonne van
Driver cpc goes on the GVW of the vehicle being driven and has nothing to do with the trailerLet’s get this right up to 7t van and trailer outfit needs an O licence and Tacho just like a 7.5t ‘lorry’.But their respective drivers don’t and do need a DCPC.
Define ‘lorry’.
Right then Cf ,Rog has grasp it now so why don’t you ?
3.5 t gross vehicle can pull a trailer up to whatever it’s gtw is example 7 t and no dcpc is required no matter what the vehicle is used for .
For hire or reward a tacho and o licence is required.
For a business transporting own goods to customers no o licence needed but just a tacho .
The requirement for dcpc starts at 3501 kg after that you can split hairs on .
As you know other businesses with this type of vehicle the tacho use depends on the drivers activity/ job .
I don’t buy it because neither ROG or you have actually provided any evidence that the 3.5t DCPC threshold doesn’t include GCW/GTW.
An O licence IS required for own account if the trailer is over 1020 kgs.
So let’s get this right drivers’ hours and record keeping module is part of the DCPC required for any ‘vehicle’ over 3.5t.
Feel free to explain and provide the actual evidence as to why the DCPC suddenly doesn’t apply in the case of an over 3.5t van and trailer combination, but which is subject to the same drivers hours and record keeping requirement as a C1 vehicle is.
The same applies to load securing.
Are you really suggesting that the government is that stupid.
Having said that who would have thought it.
When are you pair going to realise that one of the posters in this thread knows the regulations inside and out, but two of you seem to think Google knows better…
Cf is correct on the 1020 kg bit for own account however there are very few trailers of that weight ,it can be read via google 
darren.ovenden:
Hi All,Thanks for your responses.
SO… my question was clear, however there has been a collection of different responses.On the back of this I believe my lad can drive the van and trailer on just his B-E
and i will have him gain his 35 hours CPC■■?Thanks,
Darren
Yes your question was clear.
He can drive it, as he has a BE licence entitlement.
He doesn’t need a DCPC as the vehicle doesn’t need a vocational licence to drive it, its being driven on a BE “car licence” not a C1, C, CE “lorry” licence (or a bus licence for that matter).
If its on business use then use of tachograph required.
The O’licence requirement depends on if its own account work, unladen weight of 1020kg as mentioned, (a large Brian James covered trailer is something like 1.2t empty) or hire and reward.
If it goes on the O’licence then it comes under your maintenance regime, which isn’t a bad thing as it amazes me how many race teams seem happy to put a car worth several hundred of thousands, even millions, in a trailer that nobody has maintained since the day it was bought.
I have checked this with DVSA, its my preferred method because although they won’t commit themselves, you’ll get an answer that doesn’t have 4 pages of arguing.
Punchy Dan:
Cf is correct on the 1020 kg bit for own account however there are very few trailers of that weight ,it can be read via google
1020 gross that would be most trailers including the OP’s if you actually want to carry anything ?.You said no van and trailer outfit needs an O licence for own account.
Punchy Dan:
0Carryfasts new rig
An excellent example of the difference between GCW v GTW no worries about an over loaded puller or tail wagging the dog. 
Like this. 
Punchy Dan:
0Carryfasts new rig
An excellent example of the difference between GCW v GTW no worries about an over loaded puller or tail wagging the dog.
Like this.
muckles:
darren.ovenden:
Hi All,Thanks for your responses.
SO… my question was clear, however there has been a collection of different responses.On the back of this I believe my lad can drive the van and trailer on just his B-E
and i will have him gain his 35 hours CPC■■?Thanks,
Darren
Yes your question was clear.
He can drive it, as he has a BE licence entitlement.
He doesn’t need a DCPC as the vehicle doesn’t need a vocational licence to drive it, its being driven on a BE “car licence” not a C1, C, CE “lorry” licence (or a bus licence for that matter).If its on business use then use of tachograph required.
The O’licence requirement depends on if its own account work, unladen weight of 1020kg as mentioned, (a large Brian James covered trailer is something like 1.2t empty) or hire and reward.
If it goes on the O’licence then it comes under your maintenance regime, which isn’t a bad thing as it amazes me how many race teams seem happy to put a car worth several hundred of thousands, even millions, in a trailer that nobody has maintained since the day it was bought.I have checked this with DVSA, its my preferred method because although they won’t commit themselves, you’ll get an answer that doesn’t have 4 pages of arguing.
muckles you no fun,you answering the question is ruining the on line punchup
Carryfast:
Punchy Dan:
Cf is correct on the 1020 kg bit for own account however there are very few trailers of that weight ,it can be read via google1020 gross that would be most trailers including the OP’s if you actually want to carry anything ?.You said no van and trailer outfit needs an O licence for own account.
1020 is unladen weight not gross ,we have one of the heaviest 3.5 tonne trailers other than covered ones it weighs 800 kg .
Unladen trailer with 200kg nose weight when horizontal shows the reason to load symmetrical .
Googlefast:
1020 gross that would be most trailers including the OP’s if you actually want to carry anything ?
.GOV.UK:
You do not need an operator’s licence if your trailer’s unladen weight is less than 1,020 kg and you only carry your own goods.
Quoted source: gov.uk/being-a-goods-vehicle-operator
Unladen does NOT mean the same as gross. 
I had to think then who’s googlfast
Punchy Dan:
I had to think then who’s googlfast
Come on you got to give googlfast 10 out of 10 for effort he doesnt give in .
elsa Lad:
Punchy Dan:
I had to think then who’s googlfastCome on you got to give googlfast 10 out of 10 for effort
I really can’t see what’s left to debate on this subject
elsa Lad:
muckles you no fun,you answering the question is ruining the on line punchup
So far we seem to have established that GTW ain’t the same thing as GCW.Any decent noseweight will put a maxed out gross 3.5t puller over the category B drivers licence threshold, gross weight and possibly rear axle weight limits.
A 1020 kg unladen weight trailer limit is acedemic in terms of a 3.5t gross trailer regardless.It’s obviously going to need to be built like the Forth Bridge.A glider hauler won’t cut it.
Possibly not a 1.5t gross trailer though.But what type of payload would a 1.5t gross trailer provide anyway other than a very light pony or a Smart car.
DCPC I’d suggest that adding a category E trailer puts a 3.5t van into ‘vocational’ licence territory.
So not exactly an online punch up.More like important semantics that could arguably ruin a van and trailer operator’s day.The government’s advice seems more than vague in that regard.
Carryfast:
elsa Lad:
muckles you no fun,you answering the question is ruining the on line punchupSo far we seem to have established that GTW ain’t the same thing as GCW.Any decent noseweight will put a maxed out gross 3.5t puller over the category B drivers licence threshold, gross weight and possibly rear axle weight limits.
A 1020 kg unladen weight trailer limit is acedemic in terms of a 3.5t gross trailer regardless.It’s obviously going to need to be built like the Forth Bridge.A glider hauler won’t cut it.
Possibly not a 1.5t gross trailer though.But what type of payload would a 1.5t gross trailer provide anyway other than a very light pony or a Smart car.
DCPC I’d suggest that adding a category E trailer puts a 3.5t van into ‘vocational’ licence territory.
So not exactly an online punch up.More like important semantics that could arguably ruin a van and trailer operator’s day.The government’s advice seems more than vague in that regard.
4 pages it’s not rocket science,the reason you conclude the above is that you are not currently involved in any transport operations or have any experience of operating or driving such types of vehicles & trailers