Still not a straight simple answer… My take on the OP’s question is yes he can.
When I was a bit younger. Iveco Turbo daily, loaded with tools and spares, towing twin wheel trailer with car on, Never had any problems with the law.
Your answer Rog to Biggriffen then is wrong as you are referring to driver’s license weights and he is referring to actual vehicle and trailer weights irrespective of the driver or licence .
Reads to me like the op got a 5 tonne gross van ?
If it’s a Merc sprinter iirc the max gtw will be 8 tonnes although you can uprate to 8 and a quarter hp and diff ratio depended though .
Punchy Dan:
Your answer Rog to Biggriffen then is wrong as you are referring to driver’s license weights and he is referring to actual vehicle and trailer weights irrespective of the driver or licence .
Cannot have one without the other as they impact on each other
I answered the vehicle and trailer weight issue earlier in the thread
Before Jan 2013. You can tow anysized trailer with a 3.5t B+E
After Jan 2013 you a restricted to a 3.5t trailer with B+E.
ROG:
Punchy Dan:
Your answer Rog to Biggriffen then is wrong as you are referring to driver’s license weights and he is referring to actual vehicle and trailer weights irrespective of the driver or licence .Cannot have one without the other as they impact on each other
I answered the vehicle and trailer weight issue earlier in the thread
You better read what BG has asked again ,there’s not a 3.5 tonner in the land that can tow 4 tonne .
Punchy Dan:
ROG:
Punchy Dan:
Your answer Rog to Biggriffen then is wrong as you are referring to driver’s license weights and he is referring to actual vehicle and trailer weights irrespective of the driver or licence .Cannot have one without the other as they impact on each other
I answered the vehicle and trailer weight issue earlier in the thread
You better read what BG has asked again ,there’s not a 3.5 tonner in the land that can tow 4 tonne .
I think there is but they are very rare
Huge 3.5 tonne 4x4 flatbed fitted with fifth wheel towing what looks like a super sized caravan
The yanks have loads of them but as I say they are super rare here in the UK
ROG:
Punchy Dan:
ROG:
Punchy Dan:
Your answer Rog to Biggriffen then is wrong as you are referring to driver’s license weights and he is referring to actual vehicle and trailer weights irrespective of the driver or licence .Cannot have one without the other as they impact on each other
I answered the vehicle and trailer weight issue earlier in the thread
You better read what BG has asked again ,there’s not a 3.5 tonner in the land that can tow 4 tonne .
I think there is but they are very rare
Huge 3.5 tonne 4x4 flatbed fitted with fifth wheel towing what looks like a super sized caravan
The yanks have loads of them but as I say they are super rare here in the UK
Did you have to ask carryfast for that answer
Punchy Dan:
ROG:
Punchy Dan:
Your answer Rog to Biggriffen then is wrong as you are referring to driver’s license weights and he is referring to actual vehicle and trailer weights irrespective of the driver or licence .Cannot have one without the other as they impact on each other
I answered the vehicle and trailer weight issue earlier in the thread
You better read what BG has asked again ,there’s not a 3.5 tonner in the land that can tow 4 tonne .
The OP has clearly asked can a 3.5t gross van with a 1.5t gross trailer be driven on a B + E.
The answer is clearly yes so long as the 3.5t gross van weight ‘includes’ the nose weight of the trailer.That will then = 5t GCW not GVW or GTW.
If the OP really absolutely must load the van to 3.5t gross in its own right ‘and then’ couple it to a 1.5t gross trailer, or even anything up to 3.5t gross trailer, that will mean 5t or 7t GTW respectively but which by definition then needs a proper A frame drawbar trailer.
But still ok to drive on a B + E.
By law you can’t possibly drive 3.5t gross van + 4t gross trailer on a B + E on a licence issued after 2013.Whether GCW or GTW.
ROG:
Punchy Dan:
ROG:
Punchy Dan:
Your answer Rog to Biggriffen then is wrong as you are referring to driver’s license weights and he is referring to actual vehicle and trailer weights irrespective of the driver or licence .Cannot have one without the other as they impact on each other
I answered the vehicle and trailer weight issue earlier in the thread
You better read what BG has asked again ,there’s not a 3.5 tonner in the land that can tow 4 tonne .
I think there is but they are very rare
Huge 3.5 tonne 4x4 flatbed fitted with fifth wheel towing what looks like a super sized caravan
The yanks have loads of them but as I say they are super rare here in the UK
Now if you start driving one of them 5th wheel caravans on a B+E your in for a nice fine,.
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Now if you start driving one of them 5th wheel caravans on a B+E your in for a nice fine,.
Not if got pre 2013 B+E and the set up is 3.5 GVW vehicle with GTW at least 7.5 tonnes and the fifth wheel caravan trailer is plated at 4.0 tonnes fitted with air or electric brakes
ROG:
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Now if you start driving one of them 5th wheel caravans on a B+E your in for a nice fine,.Not if got pre 2013 B+E and the set up is 3.5 GVW vehicle with GTW at least 7.5 tonnes and the fifth wheel caravan trailer is plated at 4.0 tonnes fitted with air or electric brakes
That outfit, like close coupled, ain’t measured as GTW because GTW means the Gross weight of trailer and towing vehicle are measured seperately and only a proper drawbar imposes no weight from the trailer on the towing vehicle.
So what’s the weight of the ‘3.5t’ towing vehicle weighed solo and how much of the 4t trailer weight is on the pin.Those figures added together is your gross towing vehicle weight not 3.5t.GCW is a minefield.
This .GOV link may provide some assistance.
Section 7 seems interesting, provided that it’s read in conjunction with the whole thing.
There’s also this from .GOV
Some clutching at straws going on here
Punchy Dan:
Some clutching at socks going on here
Ftfy
Hi All,
Thanks for your responses.
SO… my question was clear, however there has been a collection of different responses.
On the back of this I believe my lad can drive the van and trailer on just his B-E
and i will have him gain his 35 hours CPC■■?
Thanks,
Darren
darren.ovenden:
Hi All,Thanks for your responses.
SO… my question was clear, however there has been a collection of different responses.On the back of this I believe my lad can drive the van and trailer on just his B-E
and i will have him gain his 35 hours CPC■■?Thanks,
Darren
Your question NOT being clear caused different answers!
if 5T vehicle is towing vehicle plus trailer then answer is yes…
if 5t is gwm of towing vehicle, then answer is no.
If towing vehicle is over 3.5 tonnes plated GVW but under 7.5 tonnes plated GVW then LGV C1 is needed to drive it
You stated that driver cpc will be needed so that makes me think it is a LGV C1 vehicle because vehicles under 3.5 do not need driver cpc unless towing a trailer where the plate on the vehicle added to the plate on the trailer totals more than 3.5 tonnes and no exemption applies
ROG:
If towing vehicle is over 3.5 tonnes plated GVW but under 7.5 tonnes plated GVW then LGV C1 is needed to drive itYou stated that driver cpc will be need so that makes me think it is a LGV C1 vehicle because vehicles under 3.5 do not need driver cpc unless towing a trailer where the plate on the vehicle added to the plate on the trailer totals more than 3.5 tonnes and no exemption applies
Rog the last bit reads like the driver of a 3.5 tonne gross vehicle towing a trailer needs a driver cpc ? Which is wrong ,am I being thick or does someone else read it differently?
Punchy Dan:
ROG:
If towing vehicle is over 3.5 tonnes plated GVW but under 7.5 tonnes plated GVW then LGV C1 is needed to drive itYou stated that driver cpc will be needed so that makes me think it is a LGV C1 vehicle because vehicles under 3.5 do not need driver cpc unless towing a trailer where the plate on the vehicle added to the plate on the trailer totals more than 3.5 tonnes and no exemption applies
Rog the last bit reads like the driver of a 3.5 tonne gross vehicle towing a trailer needs a driver cpc ? Which is wrong ,am I being thick or does someone else read it differently?
I think I said it correctly