Worth a listen , talks so much sense , we have to
Go back to the people as people now
Realise how bad brexit is ,
I agree with Blair that “An early election is an Elephant Trap” - but I disagree with him on that election being the correct way to resolve the Parliamentary Deadlock.
The Conservatives are the current Government. It is for them to change any laws that need changing, or the Opposition to prevent any being changed.
You cannot have a situation where the tail wags the dog - just because the Opposition are not happy at being “out of government”.
All the legislation required to complete Brexit - is already in place. The only missing piece is a “deal” - which isn’t necessary, seeing as the EU won’t give us any deal to replace May’s crappy affair, that Remainers and Brexiteer Parliamantarians alike - voted against.
Remainers want the continuing argument to be about “No Deal or No Brexit”.
The EU want the argument to be “May’s Deal or No Brexit”.
The Brexiteers want “No Deal or May’s Deal” making it a no brainer choice for NO Deal.
In the end, we have a choice of going it alone, or hoping the EU won’t let our NHS become a “Concentration Camp for the Middle Classes” where those too poor to go private but too rich to get benefits and “queue jump” for treatment - merely get sent home to die, or snuff it from sepsis/MRSA in some neglected hospital corridor.
It seems to me there is FAR more danger in “staying in” than “Leaving” by this point, and any doctor who acts otherwise - is clearly breaking their hyppocratic oath in “do no harm”.
The NHS has always been awash with cash funding under ANY government in this country.
It has NOT been awash with “efficiency” nor “quality staff” however. THAT is where any “reforms” need to be made in the months and years to come.
Winseer:
In the end, we have a choice of going it alone, or hoping the EU won’t let our NHS become a “Concentration Camp for the Middle Classes” where those too poor to go private but too rich to get benefits and “queue jump” for treatment - merely get sent home to die, or snuff it from sepsis/MRSA in some neglected hospital corridor.
The NHS has already become a cash starved liability because the country is crippled by unsustainable EU net contributions combined with an equally unsustainable trade deficit and loss of wealth creating industry.More EU will fix it how. 
Where do you get the idea that anyone is identified by ‘class’ or ability to pay in an A and E room or at the point of Triage ?.Or in fact any type of treatment in an NHS hospital ?.
While we’re already in the situation of many being left praying for a miracle when an elderly low priority parent,is firstly denied expensive life saving vascular surgery to halt runaway peripheral artery disease,resulting in Ischaemic leg ulcers leading to Septicaemia and Sepsis.Then DNR’d against their will and then left to fight with severe Sepsis on a ward because of lack of intensive care provision.Then they actually win that fight only to be declared a ‘palliative’ case which in reality means a drug induced death sentence,along Liverpool Pathway lines.In which the patient is deliberately put into what is called ‘terminal sedation’ often against their and their relatives wishes and when they are actually,borderline,arguably treatable,although possibly high risk cases,but at least wanting to be offered the option of prolonging their life regardless of the expense and risks.
There’s we have it; political advice from Dozy! It’s probably somewhat akin to asking the McCanns to babysit your kids whilst you nip down to see Harold Shipman for your medical. Ta but no ta.
That sod and his henchmen changed this country for ever, and no it will never recover and be the place it should have been had he never brought his Trotsky mentality to govt, yes he was a trotskyist for years.
People think Corbyn is a danger, he’s a straight left winger, wears his heart on his sleeve, you know where you are with such a man, not so Anthony Lynton Blair.
Why is anyone still listening to that evil bleeder anyway, weren’t the years under his regime enough already, though it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he came back as leader and the brainwashed unwashed voted the sod and his loonies back in to finish this poor country off once and for all.
Have you seen the footage of the types at the demos over the weekend who’d love to see the lefty destroyer back, would you trust them to vote sensibly for the best of the country
This creep (and his wife and other cronies and hanger ons) have arguably done greater long term damage to this country than Hitler, and deserve the same fate. The only thing I’m interested in coming out of his mouth is a guilty plea at his trial for war crimes.
dozy:
Worth a listen , talks so much sense , we have to
Go back to the people as people now
Realise how bad brexit is ,
Yeah like i’d listen to anything a war criminal has to say.Oh and it was his immigration policy that flooded the Uk market with cheap labour.Therefore helping to bring about Brexit.
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Carryfast:
Winseer:
In the end, we have a choice of going it alone, or hoping the EU won’t let our NHS become a “Concentration Camp for the Middle Classes” where those too poor to go private but too rich to get benefits and “queue jump” for treatment - merely get sent home to die, or snuff it from sepsis/MRSA in some neglected hospital corridor.The NHS has already become a cash starved liability because the country is crippled by unsustainable EU net contributions combined with an equally unsustainable trade deficit and loss of wealth creating industry.More EU will fix it how.
Where do you get the idea that anyone is identified by ‘class’ or ability to pay in an A and E room or at the point of Triage ?.Or in fact any type of treatment in an NHS hospital ?.
A&E is one thing, that is practical to keep “Free at the point of sale”. You can’t ask someone for their insurance details very much when they’re bleeding to death from some road accident injury on the emergency floor. Going in for a scheduled operation though? My mum got asked “Are you receiving any benefits?” upon her admission, and when she said “No” - the one week stay in hospital ended up costing my parents over a grand in “fees” for things like Food, Drink, and of course mainly “Digs Accommodating”. So what happened to all the National Insurance contributions paid between them over the years? “Not free, because they can afford to cough up”■■?While we’re already in the situation of many being left praying for a miracle when an elderly low priority parent,is firstly denied expensive life saving vascular surgery to halt runaway peripheral artery disease,resulting in Ischaemic leg ulcers leading to Septicaemia and Sepsis.Then DNR’d against their will and then left to fight with severe Sepsis on a ward because of lack of intensive care provision.Then they actually win that fight only to be declared a ‘palliative’ case which in reality means a drug induced death sentence,along Liverpool Pathway lines.In which the patient is deliberately put into what is called ‘terminal sedation’ often against their and their relatives wishes and when they are actually,borderline,arguably treatable,although possibly high risk cases,but at least wanting to be offered the option of prolonging their life regardless of the expense and risks.
Regarding the same operation I referred to above, the NHS cocked it up, and as a result my Mum had to spend extra days in hospital for “observation”, with my Dad lumped with extra accommodation bills. NO free ambulance to run patients home and back, should any operation be scheduled for a day or two away. My objections are not so much about the “lack of funding” - but about the way that “benefit claimants” seem to get to jump the bloody queue, at least for the “Free” bits…
Juddian:
That sod and his henchmen changed this country for ever, and no it will never recover and be the place it should have been had he never brought his Trotsky mentality to govt, yes he was a trotskyist for years.
People think Corbyn is a danger, he’s a straight left winger, wears his heart on his sleeve, you know where you are with such a man, not so Anthony Lynton Blair.Why is anyone still listening to that evil bleeder anyway, weren’t the years under his regime enough already, though it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he came back as leader and the brainwashed unwashed voted the sod and his loonies back in to finish this poor country off once and for all.
Have you seen the footage of the types at the demos over the weekend who’d love to see the lefty destroyer back, would you trust them to vote sensibly for the best of the country
Blair - put a lot of effort into shutting down “Clause 4” ahead of his runaway win in 1997. He didn’t say anything about turning Britain into a dustbin for NON EU Immigrants, nor into the “Surveillance Society” that we might have expected the “Filthy Right Wing Tory Police State” to bring about…
I didn’t vote for him, in any case. I stuck with Pantsdown over the Blair years.
It seems strange to me that THIS poster didn’t reduce Blair’s landslide,
whereas this poster - had no mitigating effect whatsoever.
Juddian:
That sod and his henchmen changed this country for ever, and no it will never recover and be the place it should have been had he never brought his Trotsky mentality to govt, yes he was a trotskyist for years.
People think Corbyn is a danger, he’s a straight left winger, wears his heart on his sleeve, you know where you are with such a man, not so Anthony Lynton Blair.Why is anyone still listening to that evil bleeder anyway, weren’t the years under his regime enough already, though it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he came back as leader and the brainwashed unwashed voted the sod and his loonies back in to finish this poor country off once and for all.
Have you seen the footage of the types at the demos over the weekend who’d love to see the lefty destroyer back, would you trust them to vote sensibly for the best of the country
He was/is ( much ) closer to Thatcherite than Trotskyite.
bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politic … r-policies
You know the same Thatcher who decided that it would be a good idea to kick off a needless war over a pointless bit of rock in the South Atlantic.When the US had already offered her the services of a fully equipped US carrier battle group which obviously would have made the Argies back down within an hour of starting negotiations.That would never have helped her election campaign trail though like killing loads of Argentine conscripts and losing loads of our own in the process.
While at the same time helping her admirer Reagan to sell out the western economies to Chinese Communism.
Strange how you seem to selectively forget all that.
Juddian:
That sod and his henchmen changed this country for ever, and no it will never recover and be the place it should have been ect ect.
Probably the most truthful statement you will ever read on Trucknet. I have always been of the opinion that half the worlds problems are down the the Bush-Blair roadshow.
Winseer:
A&E is one thing, that is practical to keep “Free at the point of sale”. You can’t ask someone for their insurance details very much when they’re bleeding to death from some road accident injury on the emergency floor. Going in for a scheduled operation though? My mum got asked “Are you receiving any benefits?” upon her admission, and when she said “No” - the one week stay in hospital ended up costing my parents over a grand in “fees” for things like Food, Drink, and of course mainly “Digs Accommodating”. So what happened to all the National Insurance contributions paid between them over the years? “Not free, because they can afford to cough up”■■?Regarding the same operation I referred to above, the NHS cocked it up, and as a result my Mum had to spend extra days in hospital for “observation”, with my Dad lumped with extra accommodation bills. NO free ambulance to run patients home and back, should any operation be scheduled for a day or two away. My objections are not so much about the “lack of funding” - but about the way that “benefit claimants” seem to get to jump the bloody queue, at least for the “Free” bits…
Let’s get this right your mum had to pay for her food as an in patient ?.While you had a bit of aggro with getting patient transport and the costs of visitor accommodation,regarding a not local hospital ? and you think that benefits claimants are all treated different in that regard.
I find all that not just bs but bleedin trivial and not even close to the type of cost cutting issues which I’ve described and feel that I lost my mum to,among others with similar sometimes even worse experiences,regarding abuse of the palliative care regime,to save the costs of treatment and prolonging life.As in the case of the Liverpool Pathways scandal.
In addition to,as you described,patients needlessly dying of Sepsis because the response and/or all the resources needed to fight it aren’t good enough including ideally automatic referral to intensive care.
As for the benefits issue.Low interest rates to subsidise borrowers at the expense of savers are just a form of benefits but which you seem selectively happy enough with.While there are numerous types of means tested benefits.But that’s not exactly the same thing as a health service crippled by under funding because we’ve lost too much wealth creating industry and we’re paying a fortune in unsustainable EU contributions and borrowing even more to pay for an even more unsustainable trade deficit.While the Soviet Socialists go on using the NHS as a political propaganda pawn while at the same time supporting our EUSSR membership.
Twoninety88:
I have always been of the opinion that half the worlds problems are down the the Bush-Blair roadshow.
An the Reagan-Thatcher one.
the maoster:
There’s we have it; political advice from Dozy! It’s probably somewhat akin to asking the McCanns to babysit your kids whilst you nip down to see Harold Shipman for your medical. Ta but no ta.
.
Well said sir, I will buy you a beverage next time I see you,
The lunatics ran the asylum once before and more or Less ruined it, don’t listen to his brainwashing carp at all…
Nobody knows how bad or good brexit is.
As we haven’t left yet
The only way we well know is to leave and find out.
The leavers so it all going to be best thing ever to happen
.
The remainers say it will be the worst.
The truth is No one can say untill we have left and then give it a couple of years and then we can say if it was a good idea or not
edd1974:
Nobody knows how bad or good brexit is.
As we haven’t left yetThe only way we well know is to leave and find out.
The leavers so it all going to be best thing ever to happen
.
The remainers say it will be the worst.
The truth is No one can say untill we have left and then give it a couple of years and then we can say if it was a good idea or not
The problem being that only those of around the 60 + age group can actually remember living in a non EU member state Britain.While some of them and most of the brainwashed generations who followed try to re write history in that regard to meet their own agenda.You know bs like everyone drove a zb fwd BMC motor because that’s all we made and the place was a basket case because everyone was always on strike and we needed Heath and Thatcher and their German elite mates to rule us and save the country from itself etc etc etc.
As opposed to the reality of trying to cover an unsustainable contributions bill and trade deficit from an ever shrinking industrial base and a country asset stripped as part of the deal.All for the privilege of EU rule which we have no electoral control over.
WhiteTruckMan:
This creep (and his wife and other cronies and hanger ons) have arguably done greater long term damage to this country than Hitler, and deserve the same fate. The only thing I’m interested in coming out of his mouth is a guilty plea at his trial for war crimes.
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Where’s the like button■■?
Carryfast:
Winseer:
A&E is one thing, that is practical to keep “Free at the point of sale”. You can’t ask someone for their insurance details very much when they’re bleeding to death from some road accident injury on the emergency floor. Going in for a scheduled operation though? My mum got asked “Are you receiving any benefits?” upon her admission, and when she said “No” - the one week stay in hospital ended up costing my parents over a grand in “fees” for things like Food, Drink, and of course mainly “Digs Accommodating”. So what happened to all the National Insurance contributions paid between them over the years? “Not free, because they can afford to cough up”■■?Regarding the same operation I referred to above, the NHS cocked it up, and as a result my Mum had to spend extra days in hospital for “observation”, with my Dad lumped with extra accommodation bills. NO free ambulance to run patients home and back, should any operation be scheduled for a day or two away. My objections are not so much about the “lack of funding” - but about the way that “benefit claimants” seem to get to jump the bloody queue, at least for the “Free” bits…
Let’s get this right your mum had to pay for her food as an in patient ?.While you had a bit of aggro with getting patient transport and the costs of visitor accommodation,regarding a not local hospital ? and you think that benefits claimants are all treated different in that regard.
I find all that not just bs but bleedin trivial and not even close to the type of cost cutting issues which I’ve described and feel that I lost my mum to,among others with similar sometimes even worse experiences,regarding abuse of the palliative care regime,to save the costs of treatment and prolonging life.As in the case of the Liverpool Pathways scandal.
In addition to,as you described,patients needlessly dying of Sepsis because the response and/or all the resources needed to fight it aren’t good enough including ideally automatic referral to intensive care.
As for the benefits issue.Low interest rates to subsidise borrowers at the expense of savers are just a form of benefits but which you seem selectively happy enough with.While there are numerous types of means tested benefits.But that’s not exactly the same thing as a health service crippled by under funding because we’ve lost too much wealth creating industry and we’re paying a fortune in unsustainable EU contributions and borrowing even more to pay for an even more unsustainable trade deficit.While the Soviet Socialists go on using the NHS as a political propaganda pawn while at the same time supporting our EUSSR membership.
“Free at the point of sale” - should be “Free” first and foremost for those who’ve paid in their whole lives, and free for EVERYTHING, that being the “point of sale”.
That non-integrators that are not even from the bloody EU get “free” EVERYTHING on top of the free hospital treatment - sticks in my craw every day.
If we’re not careful - NHS hospitals will become like “Concentration Camps for Middle Class People”. Too poor to go private, but to wealthy to get the other side expenses without spending a fortune they can ill afford.
If it costs £1million @ the NHS to save each human life from a survivable (but deadly if untreated) ailment - then the £50,000,000,000 we’ve handed to the EU “in excess” these past three years - has so far killed 50,000 people, which is more than died in the Blitz. The NHS negatively discriminates against those who pay for it, whilst giving random foreign leeches “more reason to try and make it to britain” - because even if they don’t require the “free treatment” on the NHS - they’ll probably end up being EMPLOYED by it!
The NHS worked when our population was no more than 44m. Now it is not fit-for-purpose. It needs total reform from top to bottom. Blair - destroyed the NHS imo. “Opening the floodgates to immigration” to both drain it’s resources, and obtain jobs-for-life whilst being sub-standard in not just English all too often - but also in basic HYGEINE. It’s appalling when you see Non-Nursing staff cleaning bedside tables down with the same cloth they’ve just used to wipe the sluice with… We didn’t have all this problem with Sepsis and MRSA back in the good old days of “NHS staffed by British Empire Citizens and free for all those who pay National Insurance Contributions”…
There’s even an increasing number of Veneral cases these days… Easily treatable with effective Antibiotics - but who can afford them on a private prescription these days, should the NHS not shell out for you?
One of these days, the next “Porton Down Theft Cover-up” incident is going to involve something like Smallpox rather than some loose VX left in a dustbin for some hapless dustbin diver to find…
I wonder how much all that Salisbury Incident stuff “cost” our NHS and how many UK National Insurance Payers - got neglected in their treatments as a result?
Blair. NOT a “Thatcherite”. Just a bloody indirect murderer on a par with Mao Tse Tung.
If you are a Blair hater google The name Charles Lynton you will love this
Theres only one place for Blair the tower of London and hanged he caused nothing but carnage basterd traitor regards rowly ward