Apartheid was gently being phased out and the country as well as the black community was doing rather well out of it. They had jobs, money and a sense of going somewhere, then when the ANC got a stronghold and an elite black superiority took over, the country fell under a very dark cloud. Murders and rioting were common place and unbelievably incited by big business and ordered from the heads of state, this is still the case today in some parts and areas of SA. Popular belief is that Cyril Ramaphosa is being advised by white influence as all of the past ANC leaders had failed. You can tell in his speech the white influence of the “creation of a united, non-racial, non-sexist, democratic, prosperous and equitable society”. As ryjan has said, I believe that the economic and ruling of the country will return back to the white leadership but with the old apartheid firmly buried.
I don’t necessarily agree with all of what Tommy Robinson says, but a lot of it is true and does represent my thoughts. However I would rather have him free and able to say what he thinks than see or hear any of those parasitic, look-at-me, oxygen wasters who inhabit Westminster - at our expense. I have NEVER trusted ‘authority’ to tell the truth.
davepenn54:
Anyways, Islam is a political ideology that masquerades as a religion of peace, it’s ultimate goal is to implement sharia law worldwide through ■■■■■■■■■■, subjugation and death to the unbeliever.Regards
Dave Penn;
Have they set a date for this yet? Its just that I am looking to book my holidays and obviously wouldn’t want it to clash or spoil it. Under sharia law they will be keeping the CPC? hopefully they will ban it.
davepenn54:
Anyways, Islam is a political ideology that masquerades as a religion of peace, it’s ultimate goal is to implement sharia law worldwide through ■■■■■■■■■■, subjugation and death to the unbeliever.if any respsonding poster appears to have little knowledge of the quoran (handbook of hate) or hadith’s please take note your post will not receive a response.
It seems strange but no surprise that the Muslim Council of Britain seems more interested closing down free speech.Than distancing Brit Muslims from fundamentalist radical Islam by calling for a Brit Muslim boycott of the Haj and stopping Middle East funding and influencing of UK Islamic activeties.Until the Saudi and Iranian clerics jointly call for a critical review of and a far less fundamentalist approach to the Koran.
The more I see of it the more I think we are now living in a frightening 1970’s/80’s Yugoslav type nightmare.In which the unelected self appointed Socialist takeover of the country intends to keep bolting the lid down ever tighter in the deluded hope that the population will eventually submit to it.Just as Tito tried to do there. 
UKtramp:
Apartheid was gently being phased out and the country as well as the black community was doing rather well out of it. They had jobs, money and a sense of going somewhere, then when the ANC got a stronghold and an elite black superiority took over,
Blimey is that the same ANC which had large scale links to the South African Communist Party and which Mandela was a big part of to the point of leading its violent revolutionary faction.Then got congratulated by the Queen for it.So let’s get this right they wanted an end to apartheid.But they wanted a regime which outlawed ethnic European Africans from positions of power because they were the wrong colour.That ended well.Or have I missed something. 
truckyboy:
I think Tommy and Freyda, are doing what most of us would like to do…and they’re saying what most of us say or think about anyway…and we dont have to be racist to think those thoughts. The majority of problems around the world include Muslims…so say its a cult…others say its a religion, but there are millions who believe in it…the same can be said about Christianity…not forgetting that there are good and bad people in both.
What Tommy did this time, was to highlight a gang of Muslim groomers, ■■■■■■ deviants, rapists, or whatever you want to call them, and to report on the trial, something the rest of the media have kept quiet about, as for me, i knew nothing about it until it was mentioned by Tommy…so i find that this trial is in the public interest, and i ask myself why it isnt being reported…why the judge wanted it kept quiet, as i cannot personally see how Tommy or the media could possibly interfere with the justice in this trial. In my mind, there is no smoke without fire, there is no trial, if there is no evidence, and to arrest him, and send him to prison where he was beaten black and blue before, where his life is in danger, on the pretext of a condition of his bail from a previous appearance before a judge.
As i already have seen, Muslims have been jailed in the past year or so, for the same offences, of grooming and ■■■■■■ assaulting young kids, many muslims have been killed, flying planes into the twin towers, some were killed during the recent attacks in Manchester, London, France, Belgium, Germany, Madrid, and many oither countries, and i can see a pattern, i have read and seen videos, of muslim hatred towards the western cultures, i have also read and seen videos of what their intentions really are, a caliphate if you like, of coming to the west, spreading out, breeding, introducing Sharia, and other cultural things, believing one day, they will take over…its happening in other countries as we sit here pondering whats happening around us…it seems to me that the muslims are the ones who feel hard done by, when we have opened our doors to them, not all are bad, but i dont see manygrassingothers , or in fact speaking out against the atrocities being dealt out upon others…we have allowed them to build mosques, yet they have used the mosques as breeding grounds for their terrorism, or attacks on us, its no good relying on the police to catch and deal with these people ( most are shot dead at the scene anyway ), as more only follow, we have to tell them we are not going to allow them to decimate our cities, with their atrocities, they must close their faith schools and integrate, whatever ideas we can come up with, we need to implement them in order to keep tabs on whats going on, and for my money, Tommy Robinson is letting me know whats happening, as the media and government are hiding the truth…amen
Brilliant post. Hitting the nail on the head is an understatement. And why do the leftie loonies keep going about him (TR) being the ex leader of the EDL and having a conviction for mortgage fraud I wonder.
peterm:
why do the leftie loonies keep going about him (TR) being the ex leader of the EDL and having a conviction for mortgage fraud I wonder.
You can add football hooligan amongst an endless list of other offences he has committed to that list. The point is this, yes he has spoken out about this problem and everyone is hoodwinked into thinking that he is some modern day martyr, he has chosen this known problem carefully and to throw him into the spotlight in order to gain credibility, it is the way he goes about things that is totally wrong. I agree that he has done something good in the sense that he has highlighted this case to those that may not have been aware of the situation. He is certainly not someone that I would like my kids looking up to as a hero.
UKtramp:
You can add football hooligan amongst an endless list of other offences he has committed to that list. The point is this, yes he has spoken out about this problem and everyone is hoodwinked into thinking that he is some modern day martyr, he has chosen this known problem carefully and to throw him into the spotlight in order to gain credibility, it is the way he goes about things that is totally wrong. I agree that he has done something good in the sense that he has highlighted this case to those that may not have been aware of the situation. He is certainly not someone that I would like my kids looking up to as a hero.
Which again obviously and all too conveniently airbrushes over the so called ‘left’s’ ( self appointed dictatorial soviet control freaks hijacking the working class agenda ) and its globalist allies’ hypocritical hero worship of Nelson Mandela in that case.So what are you saying in the case of Mandela terrorist or hero ?.
So when does Tommy get his invite and congrats from the Queen ?. 
Free Tommy Robinson.13 months plus in capativity but his mind is still free are you so blind that you cannot see. 
Carryfast:
So what are you saying in the case of Mandela terrorist or hero ?.
Terrorist. Plain and simple, he was convicted in taking part in an act of terrorism, doesn’t make him anything else regardless of how others may perceive him.
Carryfast:
UKtramp:
Apartheid was gently being phased out and the country as well as the black community was doing rather well out of it. They had jobs, money and a sense of going somewhere, then when the ANC got a stronghold and an elite black superiority took over,Blimey is that the same ANC which had large scale links to the South African Communist Party and which Mandela was a big part of to the point of leading its violent revolutionary faction.Then got congratulated by the Queen for it.So let’s get this right they wanted an end to apartheid.But they wanted a regime which outlawed ethnic European Africans from positions of power because they were the wrong colour.That ended well.Or have I missed something.
It’s a total twisting of history to suggest that most blacks wanted whites out. What they wanted an end to was white-only rule and the white-imposed system of apartheid.
If I may, as a late comer, stick my nose in here.
Lots of issues being discussed and argued over in this thread it seems to me. Lots of smoke fogging over the first couple of days too.
Where are we now?
Looks to me like Tommy Robinson has been locked up for Contempt Of Court. He was also still serving a suspended sentence for another Contempt of Court case last year. Others have already put up links about how Contempt works, and Robinson cant be ignorant of it. There has been a court case, and according to some sites it is still ongoing. Some accused still have to stand trial. Robinsons actions could prejudice these future trials, so it seems to me he is more interested in getting some headlines than getting justice for any victims.
Why was his trial held (in public) with reporting restrictions in place? Because reporting on the Robinson case could touch too much on the trial he was wrongly speaking of. Anyway the restrictions were lifted following a challenge from “Leeds Live” and “The Independent”. Two mainstream news media outlets, youll all note. So on recent events he is knowingly breaking the law of the land, and could be prejudicing future trials. Is he an heroic martyr? Or someone with a chip on his shoulder wanting it knocked off, even possibly at the expense of young victims seeing their alleged abusers go free because of his actions? By the way Ive phrased the question, you`ll see what I reckon.
There are important arguments to be had about immigration, religion, and freedom of speech. No doubt about that. Tommy Robinson seems more interested in his short term publicity as a “persecuted victim” than a spokes person. He is bereft of a good argument so sets himself as a martyr to gain credibility. He is another of the “cult of personality” politicians we are surrounded with. He is big on image, but with little substance.
By pretending to be victimised for his political views, rather than punished for his criminal actions he must be quite pleased with the turn of events. A self professed English Patriot who has convictions for drunken assault in 2003, in 2011 of using “threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour”, imprisoned for breach of bail, again 2011 common assault, and also 2011 jailed for 3 days by the Swiss for protest in Zurich against FIFA. 2012 convicted of fradulent use of a passport to enter the US, later in the same year pleaded guilty to 2 charges about mortgage fraud…
Well, maybe he is only patriotic about the laws of the UK that happen to suit him when he feels like it?
Maybe he should take a lesson from his rhetoric and accept the UK as it is? Not just the bits of the laws he chooses?
Saint? No. Sinner? Yes. And a hypocrite too.
UKtramp:
Carryfast:
So what are you saying in the case of Mandela terrorist or hero ?.Terrorist. Plain and simple, he was convicted in taking part in an act of terrorism, doesn’t make him anything else regardless of how others may perceive him.
It’s not “terrorism” to reply with violence to the policies of a totally undemocratic government. Mandela himself said they’d tried all peaceful means, and that it dawned on them that nothing less than violence would break the back of racist white rule in Southern Africa, and so it proved to be.
South Africa itself only reformed because, unlike in Rhodesia, the whites there had nowhere else to fall back to (and there was a much larger white population that had been there since time immemorial and no longer had any European links), and when Rhodesia folded they knew the tide of violent revolution was coming if they didn’t put themselves on the path to reform, and that such a revolution was going to unleash powerful forces and a legacy of bitterness that would utterly destroy them (as it basically has in Zimbabwe).
If they had reformed much sooner, and the decades of resources they spent on fighting and reinforcing white rule had instead been spent on collective betterment and developing the black middle class, they’d have all been in a much better position now. It is just an unfortunate fact of life that the powerful do not reform when they see the light, but only when they feel the heat.
Rjan:
Carryfast:
Blimey is that the same ANC which had large scale links to the South African Communist Party and which Mandela was a big part of to the point of leading its violent revolutionary faction.Then got congratulated by the Queen for it.So let’s get this right they wanted an end to apartheid.But they wanted a regime which outlawed ethnic European Africans from positions of power because they were the wrong colour.That ended well.Or have I missed something.It’s a total twisting of history to suggest that most blacks wanted whites out. What they wanted an end to was white-only rule and the white-imposed system of apartheid.
It’s clear that Islam is being expected to submit to indigenous rule when it chooses to live here.Which by definition means no Saudi/Pakistani backed radical Islamic Wahabbist/Hanafist Sharia indoctrination nor incitement nor freedom to practice it here.While how many ethnic Europeans occupy places in the current South African cabinet ?.
As for apartheid as I’ve said White Flight race hate crime ?.Or the freedom to choose what is effectively apartheid and say it ?.
Rjan:
It’s a total twisting of history to suggest that most blacks wanted whites out. What they wanted an end to was white-only rule and the white-imposed system of apartheid.
Quite true, unfortunately the ANC wanted the blacks to rule and then the troubles began. It was the Kwa Zulu population that had suffered from the white influence by being forced out of their homes and land, naturally they wanted it back. Apartheid was being phased out by allowing the black community’s to work in the cities during the day but by night if they were not resident in a white mans home in their work capacity, then they had to leave the towns and return to their own communities. Towns on the outskirts of the cities. This was all very recent and hence the ANC was born. This of course is put in a nutshell but is what has happened, now the Zulu and black community’s realise that they cannot run the economy as they first thought.
Franglais:
If I may, as a late comer, stick my nose in here.
Lots of issues being discussed and argued over in this thread it seems to me. Lots of smoke fogging over the first couple of days too.
Where are we now?
Looks to me like Tommy Robinson has been locked up for Contempt Of Court. He was also still serving a suspended sentence for another Contempt of Court case last year. Others have already put up links about how Contempt works, and Robinson cant be ignorant of it. There has been a court case, and according to some sites it is still ongoing. Some accused still have to stand trial. Robinsons actions could prejudice these future trials, so it seems to me he is more interested in getting some headlines than getting justice for any victims.
Why was his trial held (in public) with reporting restrictions in place? Because reporting on the Robinson case could touch too much on the trial he was wrongly speaking of. Anyway the restrictions were lifted following a challenge from “Leeds Live” and “The Independent”. Two mainstream news media outlets, youll all note. So on recent events he is knowingly breaking the law of the land, and could be prejudicing future trials. Is he an heroic martyr? Or someone with a chip on his shoulder wanting it knocked off, even possibly at the expense of young victims seeing their alleged abusers go free because of his actions? By the way Ive phrased the question, you`ll see what I reckon.
There are important arguments to be had about immigration, religion, and freedom of speech. No doubt about that. Tommy Robinson seems more interested in his short term publicity as a “persecuted victim” than a spokes person. He is bereft of a good argument so sets himself as a martyr to gain credibility. He is another of the “cult of personality” politicians we are surrounded with. He is big on image, but with little substance.
By pretending to be victimised for his political views, rather than punished for his criminal actions he must be quite pleased with the turn of events. A self professed English Patriot who has convictions for drunken assault in 2003, in 2011 of using “threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour”, imprisoned for breach of bail, again 2011 common assault, and also 2011 jailed for 3 days by the Swiss for protest in Zurich against FIFA. 2012 convicted of fradulent use of a passport to enter the US, later in the same year pleaded guilty to 2 charges about mortgage fraud…
Well, maybe he is only patriotic about the laws of the UK that happen to suit him when he feels like it?
Maybe he should take a lesson from his rhetoric and accept the UK as it is? Not just the bits of the laws he chooses?
Saint? No. Sinner? Yes. And a hypocrite too.
100% true, although the TR supporters won’t believe it.
UKtramp:
Carryfast:
So what are you saying in the case of Mandela terrorist or hero ?.Terrorist. Plain and simple, he was convicted in taking part in an act of terrorism, doesn’t make him anything else regardless of how others may perceive him.
It seems that our views regarding South Africa are closer than you tried to pretend here.
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=147760&start=180#p2483053
White Flight race hate crime ?.Or freedom to choose what is effectively apartheid and say it ?.
Indigenous rule fair for South Africa then it’s also fair for us ?.
Franglais:
If I may, as a late comer, stick my nose in here.
Lots of issues being discussed and argued over in this thread it seems to me. Lots of smoke fogging over the first couple of days too.
Where are we now?
Looks to me like Tommy Robinson has been locked up for Contempt Of Court. He was also still serving a suspended sentence for another Contempt of Court case last year. Others have already put up links about how Contempt works, and Robinson cant be ignorant of it. There has been a court case, and according to some sites it is still ongoing. Some accused still have to stand trial. Robinsons actions could prejudice these future trials, so it seems to me he is more interested in getting some headlines than getting justice for any victims.
Why was his trial held (in public) with reporting restrictions in place? Because reporting on the Robinson case could touch too much on the trial he was wrongly speaking of. Anyway the restrictions were lifted following a challenge from “Leeds Live” and “The Independent”. Two mainstream news media outlets, youll all note. So on recent events he is knowingly breaking the law of the land, and could be prejudicing future trials. Is he an heroic martyr? Or someone with a chip on his shoulder wanting it knocked off, even possibly at the expense of young victims seeing their alleged abusers go free because of his actions? By the way Ive phrased the question, you`ll see what I reckon.
There are important arguments to be had about immigration, religion, and freedom of speech. No doubt about that. Tommy Robinson seems more interested in his short term publicity as a “persecuted victim” than a spokes person. He is bereft of a good argument so sets himself as a martyr to gain credibility. He is another of the “cult of personality” politicians we are surrounded with. He is big on image, but with little substance.
By pretending to be victimised for his political views, rather than punished for his criminal actions he must be quite pleased with the turn of events. A self professed English Patriot who has convictions for drunken assault in 2003, in 2011 of using “threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour”, imprisoned for breach of bail, again 2011 common assault, and also 2011 jailed for 3 days by the Swiss for protest in Zurich against FIFA. 2012 convicted of fradulent use of a passport to enter the US, later in the same year pleaded guilty to 2 charges about mortgage fraud…
Well, maybe he is only patriotic about the laws of the UK that happen to suit him when he feels like it?
Maybe he should take a lesson from his rhetoric and accept the UK as it is? Not just the bits of the laws he chooses?
Saint? No. Sinner? Yes. And a hypocrite too.
You seem to have conveniently missed the bit that reporting restrictions of ongoing cases didn’t seem to apply in the case of non Muslims like Rolph Harris.There’s also no proof that Tommy was referring to anything other than concluded cases not trials in progress regardless.While make your mind up was it breach of the peace or contempt of court.
youtube.com/watch?v=_8CPF1mK9Fo
Spare us the rest of the other conviction bs when the Mandela example of the terrorist who was congratulated by the Queen has clearly blown that zb out of the water.
Carryfast:
It seems that our views regarding South Africa are closer than you tried to pretend here.White Flight race hate crime ?.Or freedom to choose what is effectively apartheid and say it ?.
Indigenous rule fair for South Africa then it’s also fair for us ?.
Our views could not be any more dissimilar, I never was nor would I ever support the views of Apartheid. Nelson mandella along with his wife Winnie, were guilty of some terrible crimes against humanity. Only after his release from prison did he appear to be a reformed character.The white people of SA knew the truth. The ANC was very much like the IRA provisional’s of Ireland. Nothing more.