But none of the three cases you linked to were murder convictions. One was attempted murder, the other two were manslaughter convictions.
Good God! Some people just want EVERYTHING!!
No, not everything. Just a single example of anyone being convicted for murder and receiving anything other than a life (or death ) sentence, or anyone receiving a caution for killing someone. Surely that’s not too much too ask? The OP seemed pretty sure it was commonplace, and even said he could find examples if he could be arsed to search.
Firstly, I was the OP and I never said that.
Secondly, (and I broke my own rules on being a Google expert here, sorry) manslaughter is still murder, just with a defence!
Manslaughter
Homicide: Murder and Manslaughter
Definition of Homicide
Murder and manslaughter are two of the offences that constitute homicide.
"Manslaughter can be committed in one of three ways:
killing with the intent for murder but where a partial defence applies, namely loss of control, diminished responsibility or killing pursuant to a suicide pact.
conduct that was grossly negligent given the risk of death, and did kill, is manslaughter (“gross negligence manslaughter”); and
conduct taking the form of an unlawful act involving a danger of some harm, that resulted in death, is manslaughter (“unlawful and dangerous act manslaughter”)." cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/homi … slaughter/
Yes I know, pedantry of the highest order on my part, but I’m hot and sweaty and about to start work!
Regardless of the outcome (i.e. no-one died, no-one hurt etc) what this guy did was clearly 100% premeditated. Not triggered by passion or emotion, not a spur-of-the-moment decision - this was a deliberate carefully planned act to gain significant money for himself at our expense. For that he deserves nothing less than a full-blooded kick in the goolies.
Captain Caveman 76:
Firstly, I was the OP and I never said that.
Secondly, (and I broke my own rules on being a Google expert here, sorry) manslaughter is still murder, just with a defence!
Manslaughter
Homicide: Murder and Manslaughter
Definition of Homicide
Murder and manslaughter are two of the offences that constitute homicide.
"Manslaughter can be committed in one of three ways:
killing with the intent for murder but where a partial defence applies, namely loss of control, diminished responsibility or killing pursuant to a suicide pact.
conduct that was grossly negligent given the risk of death, and did kill, is manslaughter (“gross negligence manslaughter”); and
conduct taking the form of an unlawful act involving a danger of some harm, that resulted in death, is manslaughter (“unlawful and dangerous act manslaughter”)." cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/homi … slaughter/
Yes I know, pedantry of the highest order on my part, but I’m hot and sweaty and about to start work!
Err - No.
Murder is murder. Manslaughter is manslaughter. Both are examples of Homicide.
Captain Caveman 76:
Secondly, (and I broke my own rules on being a Google expert here, sorry) manslaughter is still murder, just with a defence!
No, murder and manslaughter are two different things entirely. With murder, there has to be intent to kill, or the reasonable expectation that an act was so reckless that death was likely to result from it.
There can be no suggestion whatsoever that the person involved either planned the deaths, or committed the act which caused the deaths in a fit of temper.
Captain Caveman 76:
Secondly, (and I broke my own rules on being a Google expert here, sorry) manslaughter is still murder, just with a defence!
No, murder and manslaughter are two different things entirely. With murder, there has to be intent to kill, or the reasonable expectation that an act was so reckless that death was likely to result from it.
There can be no suggestion whatsoever that the person involved either planned the deaths, or committed the act which caused the deaths in a fit of temper. Not quite right. The definitions I posted above say that a predetermined Homicide could be downgraded from murder to manslaughter if there is deemed a partial defence, for example, so called mercy killings.
Back when I was in prison, there was a guy who was serving a sentence for manslaughter who wasn’t in the country when the victim died.
He was a pub landlord who didn’t secure the hatch to his cellar. A drunken customer fell down it and died whilst the landlord was on holiday. IIRC he was from Scarborough. A quick Google will give you all the details if you care enough.
Completely irrelevant, but may be of interest to some.
) sentence, or anyone receiving a caution for killing someone. Surely that’s not too much too ask? The OP seemed pretty sure it was commonplace, and even said he could find examples if he could be arsed to search.