iDriver:
alamcculloch:
Well I counted 21 yellow people at the scene ,can any one on here tell what any of them are actually doing.
Have you ever actually been at the scene of a seriouse accident or incident ?
Protect the scene is the first priority, to make sure some other pleb doesn’t kill you whilst your trying to deal with the incident.
Assess the scene, is it safe to go in and deal or are there hazards that if ignored will simply add you to the casualty list?
Prioritise resources and response, can fire, police, ambulance, HATO’s and recovery get to the scene and if so, what are their priorities when they get there?
Once they are all there or as and when each arrives, the priorities of one group takes precedence over the other, they work as a team to ensure the casualty is stabilised, extracted and evacuated as quickly and safely as possible.
The post incident investigation then begin’s assuming worst case scenario (the casualty dies) and working backwards from that point.
Would you be happy if it was one of your loved ones, they were dragged out of their vehicle inflicting extra injury from which they died, but no prosecution took place because everyone simply recovered the vehicles, swept up and went home?
God forbid it is me in this situation one day, but if it is, I hope all 20+ turn up and do the most methodical, professional job they can.
What you say is valid, but how many people in that picture are at that moment in time doing anything, let alone being methodical and professional?
Trev_H:
NathanB:
The name rings a bell; Maybe the wagon’s on Renegades’ Welsh border thread? Looking at the other picture of the crash, perhaps the lorry driver had his view obstructed with all that junk in the 'screen?
Yes it is, he works out of Bayston hill quarry Shrewsbury.
Kev Castle runs about three eight leggers from Bayston Hill quarry.
Dave the Renegade:
Trev_H:
NathanB:
The name rings a bell; Maybe the wagon’s on Renegades’ Welsh border thread? Looking at the other picture of the crash, perhaps the lorry driver had his view obstructed with all that junk in the 'screen?
Yes it is, he works out of Bayston hill quarry Shrewsbury.
Kev Castle runs about three eight leggers from Bayston Hill quarry.
I think that he is /was the Son in Law of the central region manager at one time.
Pete.
nickyboy:
cieranc:
Notice the skid marks on the hard shoulder:
Err they’re not skid mards its tyre marks from the puddle on the side of the shoulder
look very much like skid marks ,pretty sure wet tyre marks would have dried up by the time the picture was taken 
There’s some proper ■■■■■ gets talked on here.
Do you really think that, if there’s people seriously injured in that car, the Fire Brigade are going to be stood filling out risk assessments and method statements, then getting their proposed extraction technique approved and confirmed by the para medics?
Are they ■■■■.
It goes like this:
Fire IM: Who’s senior paramedic here?
Para: Me
Fire IM: What do you need us to do?
Para: Lift the dash out of the footwell to get their legs out.
Fire IM: Right lads, get the jaws of life out and roll the bulkhead up.
A tipper ploughs in to the back of a stationary car on the hard shoulder (WTF was the tipper doing at speed on the hard shoulder), and all people are bothered about is the number of emergency services at the scene?
As said above, if it was your family in that car, which would you prefer were called out, 1 St Johns First Aider in an LDV and a fireman with a hacksaw, or as many people as possible, if it meant a quicker, safer casualty extraction?
The quicker that casualty gets to hospital, the better chance they’ve got of a recovery.
cieranc:
There’s some proper sh iiiiii te gets talked on here.
Do you really think that, if there’s people seriously injured in that car, the Fire Brigade are going to be stood filling out risk assessments and method statements, then getting their proposed extraction technique approved and confirmed by the para medics?
Are they [zb].
They’ll ask the paramedics what they want them to do, and they’ll get stuck in.
A tipper ploughs in to the back of a stationary car on the hard shoulder (WTF was the tipper doing at speed on the hard shoulder), and all people are bothered about is the number of emergency services at the scene?
As said above, if it was your family in that car, which would you prefer were called out, 1 St Johns First Aider in an LDV and a fireman with a hacksaw, or as many people as possible, if it meant a quicker, safer casualty extraction?
The quicker that casualty gets to hospital, the better chance they’ve got of a recovery.
Fantastic, but what are they doing at that moment in time? 
Happydaze:
What you say is valid, but how many people in that picture are at that moment in time doing anything, let alone being methodical and professional?
Looks to me like plod and HATO’s are preserving the scene, Trumpton have extracted the driver, Ambulance are still stabilising the casualty. Once they go, fire service remove their unit’s, Police do accident investigation whilst HATO’s coninue to protect scene. As soon as thats all done they will open one lane whilst still waiting for recovery to take both vehicles away and finally open the road fully.
Like I said, methodical !
What exactly would you have them do whilst the Ambulance is still at scene?
iDriver:
Happydaze:
What you say is valid, but how many people in that picture are at that moment in time doing anything, let alone being methodical and professional?
Looks to me like plod and HATO’s are preserving the scene, Trumpton have extracted the driver, Ambulance are still stabilising the casualty. Once they go, fire service remove their unit’s, Police do accident investigation whilst HATO’s coninue to protect scene. As soon as thats all done they will open one lane whilst still waiting for recovery to take both vehicles away and finally open the road fully.
Like I said, methodical !
What exactly would you have them do whilst the Ambulance is still at scene?
Looks to me like they’re standing around talking.
Doesnt seem to be any traffic going the other way. Was the motorway shut in both directions? . . . if so why?
Paramedics are stowing their kit, which suggests this photo was taken very shortly after the casualties were extracted.
The Highways Agency are stood doing nothing, the’r vehicles have the road closed, that’s their job.
The highways maintenance are doing nothing, they can’t do their job until the vehicles are recovered, to assess any damage caused to the road surface or barriers, and repair as necessary.
The fire crews are doing nothing, but notice the hose pulled out from the tender? Notice the amount of oilsoak under both vehicles? It’s more than likely that bit of road will need a thorough blasting down once the vehicles are moved, to wash the oil/fuel away.
So yes, lots of people stood doing nowt. What happens next is, recovery arrive and move the vehicles, having taken instruction from the Collision Investigation lads and/or VOSA.
Once the vehicles are moved, the fire brigade can rinse the road down.
Then the highway maintenance lads can do their thing.
Then, when everything is OK, the highwaymen can re-open the road.
Suedehead:
Doesnt seem to be any traffic going the other way. Was the motorway shut in both directions? . . . if so why?
Rolling roadblock whilst the air ambulance took off.
Sorry to say that some on here are deluded,go and Google Alison Hume and Ayrshire Fire Brigade or whatever they like to call themselves those days.They formed their bold selves into a circle and waited patiently for a woman to die.In the photograph I am not seeing much action,just a long queue of going no where traffic.
Suedehead:
Doesnt seem to be any traffic going the other way. Was the motorway shut in both directions? . . . if so why?
If you’d read the article you’d know that it was to allow the air ambulance to land.
iDriver:
What exactly would you have them do whilst the Ambulance is still at scene?
However the casualty has already been air lifted to hospital.
cieranc:
(WTF was the tipper doing at speed on the hard shoulder)
That’s what I was wondering all along. … and presumably whilst wearing a blind fold.
alamcculloch:
Sorry to say that some on here are deluded,go and Google Alison Hume and Ayrshire Fire Brigade or whatever they like to call themselves those days.They formed their bold selves into a circle and waited patiently for a woman to die.In the photograph I am not seeing much action,just a long queue of going no where traffic.
Youtube Roger Williamson fatal crash; Marshalls stood and watched because the fire engine which was yards away followed the rulebook and drove the correct way around the track.
That’s the trouble though Alan, all of the above opinion is based on one photograph.
I’m basing my opinion on experience. I attend an incident like this probably twice a month (I’m heavy recovery on 3 police contracts and highways contract).
At a scene like this, there’s a pecking order for the different agencies. The priority is to get the casualties out and get them treated immediately. This must happen as soon as possible, to preserve lives.
The Highways agency close the road to create a safer working environment for everyone working at the scene.
If the fire brigade are needed to aid the extraction of them casualties, then get the fire brigade. No-one in their right mind would question their presence at the scene.
With the casualties are extracted, the police and vosa do their thing (measuring them skid marks for example), gaining and preserving any evidence relevent to their investigation.
Once they’re finished, recovery is called to remove the vehicles. The highways may re-open lane 2 whilst recovery takes place.
Vehicles cleared, the highway maintenance lads do their thing, assess the road for damage. Clearing the oil may require the fire brigade to hose down.
With the road cleared and cleaned, the Highwaymen re-open the road.
There’s plenty of armchair experts here who feel qualified to comment on something they have no experience of.
If the fire brigade, paramedics and highways agency people show in this photo are causing you TruckNetters a problem, then write and complain. See if that same complaint stands when it’s one of your family in that car.
The tailbacks won’t be so much of a priority then.
cieranc:
Notice the skid marks on the hard shoulder:
Hard shoulder strikes are increasing, luckily there was no-one killed in this one 
Obstruction on the hard shoulder? Slow Down, or Move Over.
I know; They’re trying to stop the local Mikeys from pinching the load of tarmac.
Driveroneuk:
iDriver:
What exactly would you have them do whilst the Ambulance is still at scene?
However the casualty has already been air lifted to hospital.
Which would you do if you were the paramedic:
A; Get the casualties stabilised, then check and stow your equipment, reload it back into the ambulance, then take the casualties to the waiting helicopter or
B; Get the casualties stabilised and straight to the waiting helicopter, then return to check and stow your equipment bafore leaving in the ambulance?
The fact the opposite carriageway is still closed, when it was only a rolling roadblock, suggests the helicopter had not or only just taken off when this picture was taken.
The para’s appear to be picking their gear up, suggesting they’d only just handed the casualties over to the wings, then returned to the scene to tidy up.
For all anyone knew at the time someone could have potentially lost their life, I imagine the fire service and paramedics had a very hard half hour or so of work to extract the patient and provide treatment till they got taken by the air ambulance, so what if they’re having a few minutes of a breather, witch I really don’t think they are, while they wait for the next phase to begin whatever that is.
Looks to me like the ambulance are packing up and the fire brigade are lasing with other services, also even if the fire brigade appear to have finished their work I would think it’s much better for them to stay till the vehicles are made safe and recovered and any fuel spillage is dealt with as one spark could make it all go up in flames
Surly its far better to have a few extra people on the scene doing nothing then to be short staffed and cause someone to lose their life.
A few people being held up is hardly a priority in this situation
I think it’s already been said what everyone does, but as it’s a serious “Life changing incident” everyone’s standing around doing not a lot yet because they’ll be waiting for the accident investigation team to arrive, these are not your average road policing officer, but specialist in their field, until they’ve been and done their bit, nothing is moved (unless required to extract casualties)
The Police Traffic Officer is in over-all charge of the incident.
Fire are responsible for extraction of the casualty under ambo / paramedics guidance. They also make sure there is no risk of any fire. They no longer hose spillages away (well shouldn’t!) unless it’s under the control of the ISU.
AMBO / Paramedic are in charge of anything to do with the casualties, they will only leave once all injured parties have left.
HATO is responsible for traffic management. they will man road closures, put rolling blocks on for the air ambo etc (along with police depending on who’s closest) HTAO will also organise attendance of other agencies if required ie. environmental agency should there be a spillage that it going into drains etc.
ISU is responsible for sorting the c/way infrastructer, any oil spills, damage to surface, verge, fences, signs, lamp-posts etc. and then general clean up afterwards.
ISU will also over lay the small police / HATO cones & signs with full sized cones etc. (There are guidelines on the maximum advisable times of various types of lane closures)
Priority is the removal of casualties. Once they’ve all been cleared, ambo personnel will leave.
Fire will leave once casualties removed, and happy no further danger from fire/ chemicals etc.
Either HATO or police will organise recovery of the vehicles. (If police require vehicle for testing, they will organise, otherwise HATO will organise)
Police will leave once all investigation / information completed, handing scene over to HATO.
Recovery will remove vehicles.
ISU will clear scene up, or if required will put full chapter 8 closure on if c/way / lane unusable and requires resurfacing at all.
HATO will amend traffic management through the whole procedure opening lanes etc as and when possible.
Happydaze:
iDriver:
Happydaze:
What you say is valid, but how many people in that picture are at that moment in time doing anything, let alone being methodical and professional?
Looks to me like plod and HATO’s are preserving the scene, Trumpton have extracted the driver, Ambulance are still stabilising the casualty. Once they go, fire service remove their unit’s, Police do accident investigation whilst HATO’s coninue to protect scene. As soon as thats all done they will open one lane whilst still waiting for recovery to take both vehicles away and finally open the road fully.
Like I said, methodical !
What exactly would you have them do whilst the Ambulance is still at scene?
Looks to me like they’re standing around talking.
Let me explain the concept of a photograph to you, it is one millisecond in time.
How do you know they weren’t all running round like blue arse flies 2 seconds prior to that shot?