Time to move on.

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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peter s:
You’re not going to like this reply…BUT dry your [zb] eyes. You’ve probably a second career driver who’s had it too good for too long, over paid and under worked thick as [zb] with good T&C. A waste of [zb] space. No doubt one of the moaner’s who won’t do a second more without a fuss.
Simple… if you don’t like your new [zb] lorry then [zb] off somewhere else. Just get on with YOUR job and never mind what the agency driver is doing.
Could never understand why big logistic’s companies employ the driver’s they do.

I been driving since I left the Army in ‘86, so no, I’m not a ‘second career driver’. I did have an 8yr break when I got divorced & bought up 4 kids on my own. During that time I went to college & uni, hoping to retrain as a teacher but due to rupturing my Achilles’ tendon in my 2nd year of uni, & not being able to get the funding to retake my 2nd year, a return to HGVs was my only option.

As for being thick, I can at least construct a sentence without the need to resort to ef-ing & jeffing.

As for being a moaner, nope, I don’t think so. I quite happily do whatever work I’m given, but, if I’m only paid for 48hrs, don’t expect me to work extra for free, I’m merely standing up for myself & refusing to get shafted by my company.

I don’t begrudge the agency drivers their lot, they need to make hay whilst the sun shines, but, if my pay structure is made up of an average wage with bonus paid to bring it up to a more acceptable level, I expect my planner to prioritise the regular drivers for the back loads, not dish them out to agency drivers under the false pretense that they’ll save themselves a few bob by not paying them the bonus, since they’re hourly paid.

Lastly, the title of the thread says ‘Time to move on’, from that its easy enough, even for you & your limited vocabulary, to grasp what my plan of action is, capiche?

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chester1:
Why wud they not give the agency driver the reloads I’d lay money they get no bonus for doing them it prob balances out the extra money they have to pay them

I’m pretty sure my planner is giving them the back loads to save the company money, but that’s not what happens, picking up a backload & then delivering it probably adds about 3+ hours to their day, at agency rates, & I’m guessing here but, lets say £15 an hour, that’s £45, if they gave that to 1 of us, it would be a lot less, probably between £10-25.

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Betty Swallox:
I been driving since I left the Army in ‘86, so no, I’m not a ‘second career driver’. I did have an 8yr break when I got divorced & bought up 4 kids on my own. During that time I went to college & uni, hoping to retrain as a teacher but due to rupturing my Achilles’ tendon in my 2nd year of uni, & not being able to get the funding to retake my 2nd year, a return to HGVs was my only option.

As for being thick, I can at least construct a sentence without the need to resort to ef-ing & jeffing.

As for being a moaner, nope, I don’t think so. I quite happily do whatever work I’m given, but, if I’m only paid for 48hrs, don’t expect me to work extra for free, I’m merely standing up for myself & refusing to get shafted by my company.

I don’t begrudge the agency drivers their lot, they need to make hay whilst the sun shines, but, if my pay structure is made up of an average wage with bonus paid to bring it up to a more acceptable level, I expect my planner to prioritise the regular drivers for the back loads, not dish them out to agency drivers under the false pretense that they’ll save themselves a few bob by not paying them the bonus, since they’re hourly paid.

Lastly, the title of the thread says ‘Time to move on’, from that its easy enough, even for you & your limited vocabulary, to grasp what my plan of action is, capiche?

Well said Betty :slight_smile:

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Angry much Peter? :laughing:

I’d be upset too Betty, they give the reloads to the agency lads more now so you don’t get your bonus.

Flipping weird bonus idea that but hey ho, suppose it was intended to stop blokes swinging the lead but is now one of the causes of you leaving.

The lorry issue is a bit of a downer but at the end of the day it’s the previous issue i’d be more upset about. A new wagon is a new wagon, not like it’s an axor is it? I tramp in a Renault Premium. It’s no big deal, you just need to adjust, if it’s a good job with easy work, I’d ■■■■ it up unless you know for certain that you are going to a better job as there a lot of rubbish artic jobs out there!

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It does sound dodgy. Definitely time to move on soon as you’ve found something else.

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I still think a good hand shake is in order

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if i was the OP then i think i would be doing the same… though to me it seems that a lack of communication may be an issue, why has,nt the TM asked about who would like a new vehicle or who would like to keep the old ones? it also sounds like the planner or maybe tm is jealous of the bonus scheme and maybe giving the backloads to agency to stop drivers bonus…

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Betty Swallox:

peter s:
You’re not going to like this reply…BUT dry your [zb] eyes. You’ve probably a second career driver who’s had it too good for too long, over paid and under worked thick as [zb] with good T&C. A waste of [zb] space. No doubt one of the moaner’s who won’t do a second more without a fuss.
Simple… if you don’t like your new [zb] lorry then [zb] off somewhere else. Just get on with YOUR job and never mind what the agency driver is doing.
Could never understand why big logistic’s companies employ the driver’s they do.

I been driving since I left the Army in ‘86, so no, I’m not a ‘second career driver’. I did have an 8yr break when I got divorced & bought up 4 kids on my own. During that time I went to college & uni, hoping to retrain as a teacher but due to rupturing my Achilles’ tendon in my 2nd year of uni, & not being able to get the funding to retake my 2nd year, a return to HGVs was my only option.

As for being thick, I can at least construct a sentence without the need to resort to ef-ing & jeffing.

As for being a moaner, nope, I don’t think so. I quite happily do whatever work I’m given, but, if I’m only paid for 48hrs, don’t expect me to work extra for free, I’m merely standing up for myself & refusing to get shafted by my company.

I don’t begrudge the agency drivers their lot, they need to make hay whilst the sun shines, but, if my pay structure is made up of an average wage with bonus paid to bring it up to a more acceptable level, I expect my planner to prioritise the regular drivers for the back loads, not dish them out to agency drivers under the false pretense that they’ll save themselves a few bob by not paying them the bonus, since they’re hourly paid.

Lastly, the title of the thread says ‘Time to move on’, from that its easy enough, even for you & your limited vocabulary, to grasp what my plan of action is, capiche?

I agree with the op. There are members on here that are out right rude and take what is being said totally different to what is ACTUALLY being said. You then start using bad language and try to make the original op look stupid and ungrateful. I see what the op is saying and he is right. He is also saying that he will be looking for new work in the new year. Not once was he rude or disrespectful and its time trucknet put a stop to the few who look for arguments and ways to insult others on here. Good luck with finding a job mate let us know how you get on

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I don’t blame you moving on, BUT, this is yet another situation crying out for a union and a good shop steward to fight the members justifiable complaints, don’t suppose you have a shop steward with the werewithal to sort this out do you?

Reading some of these situations makes me wonder if these companies are trying get rid of staff, via natural wastage, in order to recruit via agency…or maybe via zero hour contracts, or maybe a softening up process leading to a change of contract (not getting the reloads we’d be better of without the sweetener), and getting rid of the bonus, leading to the full timers suddenly getting every reload going.

If theres isn’t some ulterior motive then this is an object lesson in how to batter your workforce’s morale, and cost (as Betty Swallox has pointed out) the company more to get the same job done.

This has to be one of the big logistics companies, can’t see a proper haulier, or even a good own account operator, wasting money like this.

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It’s a shame that you have to move on and I probably would too, I hope that one door opens as you close this one. Good hunting.

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I think there is a move by some companies to move onto more agency staff. They may cost more per hour but in the long run they are easier to manage. No holiday pay, no NI, no hassle with idiots just tell the agency not to send them. No need to have drivers sat around waiting just cancel with agency. I know agency drivers have been going into ASDA Washington for at least 8 years virtually every thurs to Sunday. In that time I’ve not heard of them taking many on full time.
I’m afraid in this day & age, with the recent economic climate, transport companies are about as loyal as your average footballer. I’ve been in transport offices when they have been laughing at drivers that will bend over backwards to help them out. As for new trucks! You cannot spend a new truck no matter how shiney.
Work to live don’t live to work.

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Wincanton by any chance betty? Your not the only one thinking this

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yrag:
Wincanton by any chance betty? Your not the only one thinking this

stobrats are EXACTLY the same :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: and the lads won’t get UNIONISED! :sunglasses:

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Wincanton eh…If it is then I presume driver contracts are the same or similar in all Wincanton depots if so, then I think betty( if he works there) forgot to mention time and a half after 9/10 hours…oh and treble time on public holidays. Tough place to work eh.

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peter s:
Wincanton eh…I presume driver contracts are the same or similar in all Wincanton depots if so then I think betty forgot to mention time and a half after 9/10 hours…oh and treble time on public holidays. Tough place to work eh.

Oh dear, are you back again? Each contract is negotiated separately, so no, I don’t get time & a half after 9/10 hours, I don’t even get time & a half for running in on Saturdays (I’ve only had 3 Fridays out in 3 & a half years there). As for working Bank hols & triple time, never happened, we don’t work Bank hols, simple.

You’ve made quite a few assumptions up to now & they’ve all been off the mark, you’re clearly not cut out for trolling.

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yrag:
Wincanton by any chance betty? Your not the only one thinking this

Yes mate. I know your Dads looking to move, as are the majority that are left.

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Betty Swallox:
You’ve made quite a few assumptions up to now & they’ve all been off the mark, you’re clearly not cut out for trolling.

I’d ignore this clown mate, I reckon he’d love a job like yours but isn’t quite bright enough to bag himself one!

And as previously mentioned…its high time the mods on here got their act together & had a word with certain posters on this forum about their conduct. :unamused:

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To the OP, I find your post slightly confusing. You say you regularly battle with the planner to keep your hours within contract. But you then go on to bemoan the planner’s efforts to trim back the runaway costs of your bonuses and, presumably, overtime. You say the agency driver is paid more but I suspect they are probably just given work that results in longer shifts, at a reduced pay rate to yourself, and for whom the concept of overtime or any bonuses is a distant dream. You also complain about receiving a new truck while the agency drivers get your 2nd hand kit, which you say is ‘better’. Now personally I’ve never been one to keep an eye on the next guy and bleat about things not being fair, nor even to take an interest in what other people are getting, but I do know that if I don’t like my own deal with my employer I can leave anytime.

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Betty Swallox:

peter s:
Wincanton eh…I presume driver contracts are the same or similar in all Wincanton depots if so then I think betty forgot to mention time and a half after 9/10 hours…oh and treble time on public holidays. Tough place to work eh.

Oh dear, are you back again? Each contract is negotiated separately, so no, I don’t get time & a half after 9/10 hours, I don’t even get time & a half for running in on Saturdays (I’ve only had 3 Fridays out in 3 & a half years there). As for working Bank hols & triple time, never happened, we don’t work Bank hols, simple.

You’ve made quite a few assumptions up to now & they’ve all been off the mark, you’re clearly not cut out for trolling.

Ok I presumed wrong then but I know of two Wincanton contracts that do. Either way your T&C will be better than what you will get elsewhere.

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