Hi there knowledgable colleagues
Please forgive the question, but I do not know where to start looking on the Interwebnet…
We would like to ship 4 x 500ml cylinders )2 litres total) of xenon gas at 190bar from Sweden to Italy via Germany (and other countries)
I have been told special transport is needed, but I would think this comes under the limited quantity rules.
Please can an expert give some advice if it is permitted on a normal truck or ADR regulations come into play.
Thanks
Paul
pm dieseldave mate, he’s our resident adr expert…hth
Limited Quantity limit for Xenon is 120ml, any quantity above that must be carried under ADR regulations.
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sonflowerinwales:
Hi there knowledgable colleagues
Please forgive the question, but I do not know where to start looking on the Interwebnet…
We would like to ship 4 x 500ml cylinders )2 litres total) of xenon gas at 190bar from Sweden to Italy via Germany (and other countries)
I have been told special transport is needed, but I would think this comes under the limited quantity rules.Please can an expert give some advice if it is permitted on a normal truck or ADR regulations come into play.
Thanks
Paul
Hi Paul,
Cookie Monster has this correct… the max LQ size for Xenon is 120ml, so your job ISN’T going to be done as LQs.
Maybe you’ve got some confusion happening, because I think you might mean to ask whether the job can be done under the small load exemption, whereby most of ADR’s rules don’t apply.
From the info you’ve given, your job can be done under the ADR small load exemption.
To do this job, you’ll need a properly filled in CMR for the road part of the journey, as well as a properly filled in multi-modal DGN if there’s a ferry involved.
The stuff we’re talking about is correctly written like this:
UN 2036 XENON, 2.2, (C/E)
The C/E in brackets above will become relevant if you’re using the Oresund bridge instead of a ferry.
Thank you Mr Cookie and Mr DD
So we can’t put our 2 litres on a normal truck… But if it was 100 ml, then we would be OK.
So our transport company will need to ship under ADR regulations.
Please forgive the simple questions, I have not been involved with a shipment like this before.
Cheers
Paul
sonflowerinwales:
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So we can’t put our 2 litres on a normal truck… But if it was 100 ml, then we would be OK.
So our transport company will need to ship under ADR regulations.
Please forgive the simple questions, I have not been involved with a shipment like this before.
Hi Paul,
I’m not sure how you think you can’t do this job by using a normal truck? 
dieseldave:
sonflowerinwales:
Hi there knowledgable colleagues
Please forgive the question, but I do not know where to start looking on the Interwebnet…
We would like to ship 4 x 500ml cylinders )2 litres total) of xenon gas at 190bar from Sweden to Italy via Germany (and other countries)
I have been told special transport is needed, but I would think this comes under the limited quantity rules.Please can an expert give some advice if it is permitted on a normal truck or ADR regulations come into play.
Thanks
PaulHi Paul,
Cookie Monster has this correct… the max LQ size for Xenon is 120ml, so your job ISN’T going to be done as LQs.
Maybe you’ve got some confusion happening, because I think you might mean to ask whether the job can be done under the small load exemption, whereby most of ADR’s rules don’t apply.
From the info you’ve given, your job can be done under the ADR small load exemption.
To do this job, you’ll need a properly filled in CMR for the road part of the journey, as well as a properly filled in multi-modal DGN if there’s a ferry involved.
The stuff we’re talking about is correctly written like this:
UN 2036 XENON, 2.2, (C/E)
The C/E in brackets above will become relevant if you’re using the Oresund bridge instead of a ferry.
Hi Dave,
Under the small loads threshold wouldn’t they also need to carry a 2Kg cab extinguisher?
R2R
Road2ruin:
Hi Dave,Under the small loads threshold wouldn’t they also need to carry a 2Kg cab extinguisher?
R2R
Hi R2R,
Yes, you’re quite right… an ADR compliant 2kg dry powder extinguisher would also be needed, as well as the driver having had some documented ADR ‘awareness’ training and an extra sticker being needed to go on the back door.
The main parts of ADR wouldn’t then apply because he’s using the small load exemption.
I’d have posted the ‘missing’ bit that you picked up on, but I was about to start teaching an ADR class when I spotted that post so I was using my phone with fat fingers and very little time to do it!! 
We’ve got it right now, but I’m still completely mystified by what S i W means when he says it can’t be done “on a normal truck.”
Morning Trucknet Team
Sorry if there was some confusion, it’s my total lack of experience in ADR…
Here’s what happened:
We loaded the equipment, including Xenon cylinders to a rigid on Monday in Stockholm. Driver type person saw the description on the delivery note and said “not sure about that”.
He agreed to set off and the problem was investigated while he was en-route. A few hours later you would have thought WW3 had started!
It was agreed he would drop the cylinders off in Malmo and continue his merry way to Turin.
(on a light hearted note, this is all discussed in Swedish, Polish and Romanian…)
So, back to the original point. I was not aware of Small Load Exemption, so with the answers given, I conclude:
A full ADR truck is not needed.
The driver must have ADR awareness or a full ticket.
2kg extinguisher in the cab.
Sticker on the back of the truck.
Multi-modal CMR noted with UN 2036 XENON, 2.2, (C/E).
So my guess is the driver did not have the right ADR exam, extinguisher or sticker. Hence the “He can’t do that” conversation.
The Xenon was put on another truck and is due in Turin on Monday…
Thanks for your help
Paul
sonflowerinwales:
…So, back to the original point. I was not aware of Small Load Exemption, so with the answers given, I conclude:
A full ADR truck is not needed.
I’m still not quite sure what you mean by a “full ADR truck.”
The driver must have ADR awareness or a full ticket.
Correct.
2kg extinguisher in the cab.
Correct.
Sticker on the back of the truck.
Yes.
I didn’t have time to give details when I posted, but because Xenon is an asphyxiant gas, a normal truck just needs a sticker on the back that says:
“WARNING
NO VENTILATION
OPEN WITH CAUTION”
Multi-modal DGN and CMR noted with UN 2036 XENON, 2.2, (C/E).
So my guess is the driver did not have the right ADR exam, …
Not quite!
The driver only needs ADR ‘awareness,’ NOT any ADR exam (or ADR Card.)
Hence the “He can’t do that” conversation.
People often say this, but on many occasions they’re wrong, or say it for the wrong reason.
Just to tag on the sticker with the words "“WARNING NO VENTILATION OPEN WITH CAUTION” the letters have to be 25mm high. Also the cylinders will have to be carried in a certain way. As they are so small then putting the cylinders in a bucket (or pail) with adequate packing to make sure they remain upright will suffice. Providing the pail / bucket is secured so it can’t fall over.
DGSA2.
To tag on. If a company is transporting Dangerous Goods then they (usually) need a DGSA. There are exemptions.
Would the driver not have to go a long way round to Turin not sure the brenner blanc or Frajures or the tunnels in Swiss would accept that passing thru
DGSA2:
Just to tag on the sticker with the words "“WARNING NO VENTILATION OPEN WITH CAUTION” the letters have to be 25mm high …
Yes, they do indeed.
Just to tag on the writing on the sticker must be in a language considered appropriate by the consignor, but the whole job became moot once the OP had the cylinders dropped off in Malmo.
DGSA2:
To tag on. If a company is transporting Dangerous Goods then they (usually) need a DGSA. There are exemptions.
From the way that the OP was written, it seemed to me that his company falls within the exemption provided by CDG 2009 (as amended) Reg.3(j) so I didn’t mention it to avoid over-complicating a non-job.
Sent you a pm. All the best.
DGSA2
DGSA2:
Sent you a pm. All the best.DGSA2
Yes, I got it thanks, and I’ve replied.