Juddian:
Your mistake was to move the lorry after the car had hit you, another time even if he’s moved away stop, get out, take some pics showing the position of your lorry from various angles making sure you include the position where the car would have been, damage will be visible to prove and if he’s hit your wheel/trim the direction and uniformity of scrapes on a stationary wheel should prove that he was moving and you stopped…once you’ve moved unless you can find a credible indy witness or have a good working video recorder you’re buggered.
Assume everyone else is a sponging thieving lying swine and you won’t go far wrong, if they prove you wrong it’s a pleasant surprise, if they don’t prove you wrong you won’t be disappointed.
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Bang on Juddian. You’ve got no mates when it comes to this ■■■■.
I had a fella rear end me when I slowed due to a car pulling out on m way, open & shut case you’d think, I refused liability went via insurance, they said beep off, so he took me personally to court, my pal whose been in the game for ever, not my mere decade, said court will find you guilty, its always the commercials fault, ha laughs I, as if, how can I get clonked in the rear on a motorway & I’m at fault in any way?
Result-
I lost!
It’s high time those bearing false witness started getting jailed over incididents that involve no injury.
It’s fraud to make out you’ve been injured, when it’s not true. It’s also fraud for an insurance company to ramp-up premiums to other drivers who had nothing to do with the “accident” at all - merely because they can’t be bothered to actually investigate, involving the police. Instead they’ll bluff away hoping the injury claiming driver folds, which of course won’t happen because they’d be admitting lying in the first instance if they did. (That’s what Dashcams have been very useful against!)
If anyone can try it on - and never be punished in cases where there’s no injury, then sure enough - more and more people ARE going to try it on.
Some risk needs to be heaped upon the accuser, same as in ■■■■ cases. I also agree with the “third verdict” system as used in Scotland “not proven” which implies insufficient evidence to both prosecute, AND charge the charge-bringer with fraud as well.
Being found guilty of Fraud in any other area of life - is punishable by Jail after all.
Winseer:
Being found guilty of Fraud in any other area of life - is punishable by Jail after all.
Unless its banks rigging the interest rates or MP’s fiddling their expenses of course
if we were to wear a video-camera ‘on us’ (ie like the legendary men in lycra on their helmet…) and we recorded everything that happened (audio too), could this be used in a legal way? ie to prove that this person admitted liability and then changed his behaviour and statement half way through? 
or is there a legal ‘loophole’ that if the person was not ‘warned’ they were being recorded then you can’t use it as evidence?
CMH:
The second is what I will do. I’m not a big enough prat to lose life and money for a person I don’t know. I just want to create a bit of a mire for the [zb].
I don’t know why it’s so hard to accept blame. I absolutely couldn’t deliver around London, Birmingham is bad enough with unruly white van men, taxis, cyclists and dare I say ethnics
I hear that… London is just a craphole nowadays, where even the ‘authorities’ go out their way to make life difficult for truckers. I refuse to go in there now. They can come out to the M25 and collect their stuff… 
Elsewhere, I regularly get undertaken on roundabouts, where the smug individual behind goes tearing round at full pelt in the wrong lane just to get one vehicle in front, ditto the idiots that try to go round small roundabouts at the same time as a big truck. Some drivers are just absolute donkeys that seem oblivious to the dangers of colliding with heavy vehicles. Personally I’d like to see forward and side mounted cameras fitted as standard equipment by manufacturers. Let these clowns try to argue with actual video footage of their antics.
Can’t believe how bad it’s getting over there now. I’m not that aggressive normally, but I reckon I’d be in no end of trouble if I went back driving for a living now.
CMH:
I just hate liars winning.
Had something similar with a well known waste company. Down a single track road, I spot a dustcart approaching so I get over onto verge/overgrown gateway. Handbrake on, dustcart squeezes by and starts to lean, touching the tipper sides. After a couple of shunts and more contact (he’s badly scratched his motor), driver gives up, his mate gets out and says they’re stuck (a tree stump under their bumper). He asks me to move which I say I will but I don’t want any liability for damage (I gave details in case), and I separate the two of us without damage. Go on my merry way and a few days later my boss gets a NIP for not stopping at an accident, not exchanging details etc etc. Snotty to my boss from other party threatening court action etc. I fill in NIP form and a quick description of what happened and a couple of weeks later police ring to basically say they’re not interested. If I didn’t stop how did I get drivers name, reg no etc?
And we’ve heard nothing from the other party since, clearly driver and mate trying to lie their way out and it backfired.
nobodysdriving:
if we were to wear a video-camera ‘on us’ (ie like the legendary men in lycra on their helmet…) and we recorded everything that happened (audio too), could this be used in a legal way? ie to prove that this person admitted liability and then changed his behaviour and statement half way through?
or is there a legal ‘loophole’ that if the person was not ‘warned’ they were being recorded then you can’t use it as evidence?
Quite a few organisations ranging from the police to parking enforcement, hell I’ve just read some hospital A&E department is getting the staff to wear them, so it can all be a bad thing…
Most of these new mobiles have a video record facility, so use it… hit the record button, clip it to your jacket / hi viz and off you go… then have a good laugh later when all the false allegations come in.
I’m sure an insurance company would welcome any information that revokes a fraudulent claim
Get one of these amazon.co.uk/Smiley-Face-Hid … dy+cameras
Did the car deliberately drive into you.
This sounds like one of those 50 / 50’s to me and even with your version of events sounds like the usual roundabout shenanigans. Easy to get away with really as sure the highway code asks cars to beware of larger vehicles on roundabouts etc.
So the car either hit you on purpose or you both faught over the same roadspace and colided or you hit the car. As you saw the car surely you are professiomal enough to control events, sometimes this control can be as simple as doing nothing but I find tickling her along and letting the cars sort themselves out can take a load of pressure off.
Apologies if this sounds condescending but I see it day in day out, truckers attempting to intimidate other road users.
No excuse for the way the car driver gobbed off I find saying “have you been drinking, I think I need to call the police” calms things down a bit. Doesnt work if Im off me ■■■■ though.
Just playin devils advocate a bit no offence intented.
Relax, learn from it and move on. Your insurers will hopefully treat it as a knock for knock and case closed. Fair dos if your boss takes your side as well.
Or find out where they live and when its all blown over, say a year or so make their lives a bloody misery.
CMH:
… started crying, said I was a filthy prossie shagging tramp truckdriver who is a bully on the road
OMG did you hit albion or chester, carryfast, desypete etc
Theres a high probability this chap is a fellow trucker or a regular viewer of this forum. Pretty much sums most of us up quite well.
The thought of even being held 1% to blame for an incident where someone has driven into me on my side of the road - fills me with dread.
Having said that, I have been hit a few times over the years, only three times whilst I was moving, and two of those occasions in my own car.
(1) Sitting in pole position at temporary traffic lights, single track road: - TWICE I’ve had an oncoming vehicle going past the cones on the wrong side of the road “not steer back into their lane”, and go into the front of Stationary me at the red light the other way instead… 
I often find myself in pole position at the lights - because I actually stop when they go amber, rather than accelerate. 
(2) Approaching a crossroads, lights are just turning green. I cease slowing down gently, and start to accelerate again. Car flies across junction through a red light straight into the side of me driving a rigid.
(3) Been rear-ended in my car on the way to/from work twice. Matters now both settled, but I would have settled for a lot less had I been paid within 7 days of the incidents. No one wants to know though - so f— 'em! 
(4) Had a near miss two weeks ago when I pulled up behind a cement mixer at a roundabout, that then started rolling back towards me… 
Quite scary that one… I’d left a 20 foot gap though, so I sounded the horn and flashed the lights, and the guy presumably came out of his narcolepsy attack, and put the handbrake on with about 4 feet to spare. I couldn’t go backwards any more, because as usual, those behind me were totally up my arse. 
nobodysdriving:
or is there a legal ‘loophole’ that if the person was not ‘warned’ they were being recorded then you can’t use it as evidence?
Its not illegal to video someone in public without their permission,despite the lycra louts favourite “legal warning” of “this is now being recorded for legal purposes”
BillyHunt:
Write your statement, let insurance deal with it, move on. Unless you have witnesses, as in names & contact details, it’s your word against his.
Not always the best way to go. Some insurance companies will just pay up regardless and put a stain on your unblemished record. There is no guarantee they will even bother to read driver statements.
Regarding witnesses, I had one who witnessed a car pull out of a side road, hitting my car and said it was my fault.
Has to be one of the best arguments for in cab cameras. The firm I work for has them fitted both forward facing and another pointing towards the driver. Admittedly there are a lot of drivers complain about civil rights and the like, but there are other drivers who swear by them as they’ve proved invaluable when there have been allegations of having caused an accident or having said something following an accident. I now have 2 fitted to my car, on forward facing and one rear facing.
rab6600:
Has to be one of the best arguments for in cab cameras. The firm I work for has them fitted both forward facing and another pointing towards the driver. Admittedly there are a lot of drivers complain about civil rights and the like, but there are other drivers who swear by them as they’ve proved invaluable when there have been allegations of having caused an accident or having said something following an accident. I now have 2 fitted to my car, on forward facing and one rear facing.
The problem is that accident occur all round the vehicle so how many cameras do you need?
well heres the killer…99.9% of accidents on roundabouts are settled by your insurance company on a 50/50 basis. unless you have witnesses then thats whats going to happen im afraid… best thing to do is give it a few weeks till hes got his car back repaired and throw a bottle paint stripper all over it at 3 in the morning… repeat as you wish for the next few years 
Plugster:
well heres the killer…99.9% of accidents on roundabouts are settled by your insurance company on a 50/50 basis. unless you have witnesses then thats whats going to happen im afraid… best thing to do is give it a few weeks till hes got his car back repaired and throw a bottle paint stripper all over it at 3 in the morning… repeat as you wish for the next few years
I had a collision on a roundabout and it took 28 months to settle, the reason being that one insurer wanted 50/50,and my employers’ didn’t. It was then destined for the county court and I was asked to attend. I asked for a copy of the other drivers statement and having read through it I explained to the insurers what it meant, the other driver admitted changing lanes and I had stayed in the same lane. The case was subsequently dropped and the claim was settled in full by the other parties insurers.
One problem is that the ambulance chasers get involved and prolong the proceedings.
I think dash cams are a god send, i had an incident where i was driving into an industrial estate turning right plenty of room however the car sitting at the junction panics seeing a truck and decides to reverse without looking and smashes into a car behind him.
Where am i going in maybe 100 yards along so i go up park and this woman comes up to the truck demanding my insurance details because i caused them to crash. I ask her why she thinks her reversing into someone without looking is my fault she claims i was speeding along the road and took the turn into the junction far to fast and they had no other option but to reverse to stop me from taking the front off their car. I tell her i wasn’t involved in the accident nothing to do with me to do with her and the car she smashed into and refuse to give my insurance details. Then she wants to get the police involved and wants to get the manager of the store i,m visiting involved. They take her into the office ranting and raving, so i decided to call 101 and speak to the police give them my details and get advise, they tell me its nothing to do with me her driving was careless lucky no one had been walking behind her since its a busy area.
I wasn’t worried about being legally responsible but was kinda worried about the fact they were contacting head office claiming i was driving fast and dangerously and what they would think of a middle class respectable couple claiming this, luckily dash cam proved i was driving at about 15mph along the road towards the junction and when i approached the junction taking a wide angle no where near their car i was doing 2-4mph going round.