weeto:
We all agree that we should be on a better wage doing this job but, were do you think the extra money would come from? do you know how much your truck earns a week and do you know how much profit is left out of those earning and could your employer increase the rate you want out of that profit?
Following the plague there was a shortage of labour and the feudal system took a massive hit. That was the biggest turning point for working people’s standards of living in the past 1000 years. WW1 also had a similar effect. Eastern European immigrants only benefit keeping the rich rich. The specifics you wa to get into are irrelevant to the big picture and the precedents that back it up.
If there had been an EU in the Middle Ages (and they hadn’t seen their populations reduced by plague too…) it could be argued we’d still be living in serfdom. If there hadn’t been hundreds of thousands killed in ww1 Downton Abbey would still be going strong. All these immigrants do for us is take us backwards. It’s not rocket science.
And that means what exactly? earnings in this industry have always been low, certainly was when I started 26 years ago, yes you had, like you have now, jobs that paid well but they are few and far between.
The low rate earned by truck drivers does not have anything to do with the influx of eu drivers coming here to earn a living, what they are doing, is coming here to do the jobs uk nationals aren’t prepared to do.
That argument is bull. There are a lot of myths such as foreigners working harder and foreigners doing jobs we don’t want.
They might work harder for a start just like every new starter does, and they might work harder for a start because they don’t have a safety net like youngsters born here do - no mummy and daddy to fall back on, but once they get settled they are no different to a British worker.
Then there’s the biggest myth of them doing jobs we don’t want. They do these jobs because they can afford to do them. When you’ve got 6 of them living in a student dig splitting the rent they can live off the minimum wage.
What you are saying is that we should all just accept that we must keep letting more and more in, and we should all just accept a drop in living standards compared to what our parents enjoyed, to raise the standard of living of the company owners.
What isn’t bull, is that wages in this industry have and will always be crap, and its way to late to do anything about it, there is no shortage of UK national HGV drivers, but there is a shortage of those drivers who are prepared to do the job for what you get for it, I stopped driving trucks for 8 years and was certainly better off not doing it, and perhaps later on this year I will probably get out again, knowing I will be better off for it, and that means the industry has lost another driver, along with the thousands of others not prepared to do it for the returns, do I care if an EU national takes my place? well no he is welcome to it, and entitled to do it.
weeto:
We all agree that we should be on a better wage doing this job but, were do you think the extra money would come from? do you know how much your truck earns a week and do you know how much profit is left out of those earning and could your employer increase the rate you want out of that profit?
Following the plague there was a shortage of labour and the feudal system took a massive hit. That was the biggest turning point for working people’s standards of living in the past 1000 years. WW1 also had a similar effect. Eastern European immigrants only benefit keeping the rich rich. The specifics you wa to get into are irrelevant to the big picture and the precedents that back it up.
If there had been an EU in the Middle Ages (and they hadn’t seen their populations reduced by plague too…) it could be argued we’d still be living in serfdom. If there hadn’t been hundreds of thousands killed in ww1 Downton Abbey would still be going strong. All these immigrants do for us is take us backwards. It’s not rocket science.
Why don’t you blame it on the Romans… because what have the Romans ever done for us?
weeto:
We all agree that we should be on a better wage doing this job but, were do you think the extra money would come from? do you know how much your truck earns a week and do you know how much profit is left out of those earning and could your employer increase the rate you want out of that profit?
Following the plague there was a shortage of labour and the feudal system took a massive hit. That was the biggest turning point for working people’s standards of living in the past 1000 years. WW1 also had a similar effect. Eastern European immigrants only benefit keeping the rich rich. The specifics you wa to get into are irrelevant to the big picture and the precedents that back it up.
If there had been an EU in the Middle Ages (and they hadn’t seen their populations reduced by plague too…) it could be argued we’d still be living in serfdom. If there hadn’t been hundreds of thousands killed in ww1 Downton Abbey would still be going strong. All these immigrants do for us is take us backwards. It’s not rocket science.
And that means what exactly? earnings in this industry have always been low, certainly was when I started 26 years ago, yes you had, like you have now, jobs that paid well but they are few and far between.
The low rate earned by truck drivers does not have anything to do with the influx of eu drivers coming here to earn a living, what they are doing, is coming here to do the jobs uk nationals aren’t prepared to do.
That argument is bull. There are a lot of myths such as foreigners working harder and foreigners doing jobs we don’t want.
They might work harder for a start just like every new starter does, and they might work harder for a start because they don’t have a safety net like youngsters born here do - no mummy and daddy to fall back on, but once they get settled they are no different to a British worker.
Then there’s the biggest myth of them doing jobs we don’t want. They do these jobs because they can afford to do them. When you’ve got 6 of them living in a student dig splitting the rent they can live off the minimum wage.
What you are saying is that we should all just accept that we must keep letting more and more in, and we should all just accept a drop in living standards compared to what our parents enjoyed, to raise the standard of living of the company owners.
That argument is not bull, a lot of jobs that the E. Euros do would not be done by some of the underclass that choose the benefit system as a lifestyle rather than the intended purpose as a financial aid between jobs. Just look at some of those sorry arse holes on the ‘Benefits Britain’ TV programme, they are like bloody rats, can you imagine those pathetic excuses for human beings high on crack or whatever they spend our money on, doing 8 hours back breaking work on a farm picking and sorting veg for instance.
They are the types that you should be aiming your obvious prejudices at, not the E Euros that display a work ethic at the other end of the spectrum in comparison to those bloody deadlegs.
weeto:
We all agree that we should be on a better wage doing this job but, were do you think the extra money would come from? do you know how much your truck earns a week and do you know how much profit is left out of those earning and could your employer increase the rate you want out of that profit?
Following the plague there was a shortage of labour and the feudal system took a massive hit. That was the biggest turning point for working people’s standards of living in the past 1000 years. WW1 also had a similar effect. Eastern European immigrants only benefit keeping the rich rich. The specifics you wa to get into are irrelevant to the big picture and the precedents that back it up.
If there had been an EU in the Middle Ages (and they hadn’t seen their populations reduced by plague too…) it could be argued we’d still be living in serfdom. If there hadn’t been hundreds of thousands killed in ww1 Downton Abbey would still be going strong. All these immigrants do for us is take us backwards. It’s not rocket science.
Why don’t you blame it on the Romans… because what have the Romans ever done for us?
The bloke on breakfast TV put too much emphasis on the cost of the test, this can not be a biggy as lots of folk out there go and take on 3k debt willy-nilly for a car or holiday, or youngsters taking on 20K of debt for a degree, so finance of the test can’t be a big issue. Fact is, there are other ways to earn 100 a day that are just more appealing to British public than heavy transport, i.e telesales, civil service admin, retail manager, security guy, window cleaner, benefit claimant. If the earnings reflected the hours and conditions then the standards of the drivers would improve.
Tris:
Following the plague there was a shortage of labour and the feudal system took a massive hit. That was the biggest turning point for working people’s standards of living in the past 1000 years. WW1 also had a similar effect. Eastern European immigrants only benefit keeping the rich rich. The specifics you wa to get into are irrelevant to the big picture and the precedents that back it up.
If there had been an EU in the Middle Ages (and they hadn’t seen their populations reduced by plague too…) it could be argued we’d still be living in serfdom. If there hadn’t been hundreds of thousands killed in ww1 Downton Abbey would still be going strong. All these immigrants do for us is take us backwards. It’s not rocket science.
And that means what exactly? earnings in this industry have always been low, certainly was when I started 26 years ago, yes you had, like you have now, jobs that paid well but they are few and far between.
The low rate earned by truck drivers does not have anything to do with the influx of eu drivers coming here to earn a living, what they are doing, is coming here to do the jobs uk nationals aren’t prepared to do.
That argument is bull. There are a lot of myths such as foreigners working harder and foreigners doing jobs we don’t want.
They might work harder for a start just like every new starter does, and they might work harder for a start because they don’t have a safety net like youngsters born here do - no mummy and daddy to fall back on, but once they get settled they are no different to a British worker.
Then there’s the biggest myth of them doing jobs we don’t want. They do these jobs because they can afford to do them. When you’ve got 6 of them living in a student dig splitting the rent they can live off the minimum wage.
What you are saying is that we should all just accept that we must keep letting more and more in, and we should all just accept a drop in living standards compared to what our parents enjoyed, to raise the standard of living of the company owners.
That argument is not bull, a lot of jobs that the E. Euros do would not be done by some of the underclass that choose the benefit system as a lifestyle rather than the intended purpose as a financial aid between jobs. Just look at some of those sorry arse holes on the ‘Benefits Britain’ TV programme, they are like bloody rats, can you imagine those pathetic excuses for human beings high on crack or whatever they spend our money on, doing 8 hours back breaking work on a farm picking and sorting veg for instance.
They are the types that you should be aiming your obvious prejudices at, not the E Euros that display a work ethic at the other end of the spectrum in comparison to those bloody deadlegs.
There’s a bit of a difference between a tiny fraction of a percentage who milk the system and the 99.whatever % that are on benefits as genuine claimants. If you choose to think that the high profile cases highlighted in the Daily Mail are the norm then that’s fine, personally I’d rather not buy into that Tory propaganda and I defend the rights of the working man to have the safety net of a national insurance scheme. The issue of welfare fraud, tax avoidance, and tax evasion needs fixing, but to put it into perspective those who cheat the system at the bottom pale into insignificance when you compare the monetary loss to the exchequer from the fiddles conducted by the richest 1% of people in this country.
Not that any of this has anything to do with EU immigration and the downward pressure this has on wages.
human cannonball:
If the earnings reflected the hours and conditions then the standards of the drivers would improve.
Spot on mate, too many drivers look at the bottom figure on their payslip, count exs as their wages, and don’t take into consideration the hours they had to put in to achieve that figure.
Granted that long hours are the nature of the job, that does not mean that the drivers have to subsidise the hauliers rates put in to win said job and consequently work for a poor hourly rate, resulting in drivers needingvto work said long hours to earn a living wage, let alone a good wage.
Bring into the equation the knobs that are HAPPY to work for ■■■■ all…as long as they drive a Toplinesuperspacemegacabbed lit up like a Christmas tree chromed up motor in return the problem goes on.
IMHO,
majority of NI trucking companies (20trucks+) are paying around £500/530home for approx a 50hr “on duty” week with maybe 1/2nights out included in those wages.
I would consider this half decent wages (not mega but good ) as you don’t have to be a Brain Surgeon to drive a truck
Anybody working for less,
grow a set of balls and get out there and get a better paid trucking job
robroy:
Bring into the equation the knobs that are HAPPY to work for [zb] all…as long as they drive a Toplinesuperspacemegacabbed lit up like a Christmas tree chromed up motor in return the problem goes on.
add to that…an influx of cheap migrant labour,and the problem goes on
robroy:
That argument is bull. There are a lot of myths such as foreigners working harder and foreigners doing jobs we don’t want.
They might work harder for a start just like every new starter does, and they might work harder for a start because they don’t have a safety net like youngsters born here do - no mummy and daddy to fall back on, but once they get settled they are no different to a British worker.
Then there’s the biggest myth of them doing jobs we don’t want. They do these jobs because they can afford to do them. When you’ve got 6 of them living in a student dig splitting the rent they can live off the minimum wage.
What you are saying is that we should all just accept that we must keep letting more and more in, and we should all just accept a drop in living standards compared to what our parents enjoyed, to raise the standard of living of the company owners.
That argument is not bull, a lot of jobs that the E. Euros do would not be done by some of the underclass that choose the benefit system as a lifestyle rather than the intended purpose as a financial aid between jobs. Just look at some of those sorry arse holes on the ‘Benefits Britain’ TV programme, they are like bloody rats, can you imagine those pathetic excuses for human beings high on crack or whatever they spend our money on, doing 8 hours back breaking work on a farm picking and sorting veg for instance.
They are the types that you should be aiming your obvious prejudices at, not the E Euros that display a work ethic at the other end of the spectrum in comparison to those bloody deadlegs.
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You speak a lot of sense. Watch this programme and its all “oh id love to get a job” but you know its all for the cameras. They have no intention of working,ever. Go into a job centre and there are hundreds of jobs advertised. But most people are unwilling to do them. Anytime ive been job hunting,even since the “crash” of the job market,ive had full time employment within 3 weeks at most.
But I think the problem isnt that the foriegners are willing to do the work,its what you said earlier. When you have 12 of them sharing a £400 a month they can work for £7-8 p/h. And it is a lot of money that they dont spend here. They send most of it back over the old country. But unfortunetly a Brit has to live with Britains high costs for that £7 p/h and it cant be done.
Tris:
There’s a bit of a difference between a tiny fraction of a percentage who milk the system and the 99.whatever % that are on benefits as genuine claimants. If you choose to think that the high profile cases highlighted in the Daily Mail are the norm then that’s fine, personally I’d rather not buy into that Tory propaganda and I defend the rights of the working man to have the safety net of a national insurance scheme. The issue of welfare fraud, tax avoidance, and tax evasion needs fixing, but to put it into perspective those who cheat the system at the bottom pale into insignificance when you compare the monetary loss to the exchequer from the fiddles conducted by the richest 1% of people in this country.
Not that any of this has anything to do with EU immigration and the downward pressure this has on wages.
I never read the Daily Mail mate, life’s too short.
I am not talking about the working class, I am on about the new ‘Underclass’ that are a burden on society. Are you seriously claiming that they are 1% of the unemployed , I would say it is more of a 70/30% ratio in favour of them. Go to every city in the UK, you see them mostly walking (perfectly) with sticks, incidentally an insult to genuine disabled people, these people have benefit abuse to a fine art, and will never take a job as long as they have holes in their arses.
At the other end of the scale we have the abuse of the rich that you mention, and I fully agree that they are no better to the other crowd, but as you have already displayed a good knowledge of history, you will be aware that the Upper Classes have always looked after each other.
human cannonball:
If the earnings reflected the hours and conditions then the standards of the drivers would improve.
Spot on mate, too many drivers look at the bottom figure on their payslip, count exs as their wages, and don’t take into consideration the hours they had to put in to achieve that figure.
Granted that long hours are the nature of the job, that does not mean that the drivers have to subsidise the hauliers rates put in to win said job and consequently work for a poor hourly rate, resulting in drivers needingvto work said long hours to earn a living wage, let alone a good wage.
Bring into the equation the knobs that are HAPPY to work for [zb] all…as long as they drive a Toplinesuperspacemegacabbed lit up like a Christmas tree chromed up motor in return the problem goes on.
Meanwhile on a thread two weeks ago Me and a couple others were told that our job was no more important than any other. That Britain would survive just fine without us. And while it most probably would adapt without us,if we are that expendable and some of us have that mindset and attitude,what makes anyone think wages will rise to a decent level? After all,what we do is not really that important? (Or so I was told!)
human cannonball:
If the earnings reflected the hours and conditions then the standards of the drivers would improve.
Spot on mate, too many drivers look at the bottom figure on their payslip, count exs as their wages, and don’t take into consideration the hours they had to put in to achieve that figure.
Granted that long hours are the nature of the job, that does not mean that the drivers have to subsidise the hauliers rates put in to win said job and consequently work for a poor hourly rate, resulting in drivers needingvto work said long hours to earn a living wage, let alone a good wage.
Bring into the equation the knobs that are HAPPY to work for [zb] all…as long as they drive a Toplinesuperspacemegacabbed lit up like a Christmas tree chromed up motor in return the problem goes on.
Meanwhile on a thread two weeks ago Me and a couple others were told that our job was no more important than any other. That Britain would survive just fine without us. And while it most probably would adapt without us,if we are that expendable and some of us have that mindset and attitude,what makes anyone think wages will rise to a decent level? After all,what we do is not really that important? (Or so I was told!)
■■ Are you saying that I said that to you? Don’t think so mate, unless it was fuelled by John Smith or Mr Boddington
human cannonball:
If the earnings reflected the hours and conditions then the standards of the drivers would improve.
Spot on mate, too many drivers look at the bottom figure on their payslip, count exs as their wages, and don’t take into consideration the hours they had to put in to achieve that figure.
Granted that long hours are the nature of the job, that does not mean that the drivers have to subsidise the hauliers rates put in to win said job and consequently work for a poor hourly rate, resulting in drivers needingvto work said long hours to earn a living wage, let alone a good wage.
Bring into the equation the knobs that are HAPPY to work for [zb] all…as long as they drive a Toplinesuperspacemegacabbed lit up like a Christmas tree chromed up motor in return the problem goes on.
Meanwhile on a thread two weeks ago Me and a couple others were told that our job was no more important than any other. That Britain would survive just fine without us. And while it most probably would adapt without us,if we are that expendable and some of us have that mindset and attitude,what makes anyone think wages will rise to a decent level? After all,what we do is not really that important? (Or so I was told!)
■■ Are you saying that I said that to you? Don’t think so mate, unless it was fuelled by John Smith or Mr Boddington
No wasnt’t you mate. Was a moderator if I remember correctly.
human cannonball:
If the earnings reflected the hours and conditions then the standards of the drivers would improve.
Spot on mate, too many drivers look at the bottom figure on their payslip, count exs as their wages, and don’t take into consideration the hours they had to put in to achieve that figure.
Granted that long hours are the nature of the job, that does not mean that the drivers have to subsidise the hauliers rates put in to win said job and consequently work for a poor hourly rate, resulting in drivers needing to work said long hours to earn a living wage, let alone a good wage.
Bring into the equation the knobs that are HAPPY to work for [zb] all…as long as they drive a Toplinesuperspacemegacabbed lit up like a Christmas tree chromed up motor in return the problem goes on.
These two posters above should be executed for writing this ridiculous slander about hauliers lowering their rates to get the work, then paying their drivers the lowest hourly wage possible.
This would never happen where I’m currently working (I’m and Agency driver doing class 1 on local work). Most of the employed local drivers here start their shift at up to 45 minutes earlier (unpaid) and are already working ‘‘competitively’’ against each other to see who can get the most loads done in the least time, they appear to be ‘working their unpaid breaks’ (by using the 2nd generation digi tacho, ‘‘push the bed button trick’’ when in queues etc) they’re paid low hourly rates and are working ‘flat out’ to get their job done as soon as possible. (It seems to be ‘top dog’ is all about finishing early) and all for £1.25p above the minimum pay rate. They then moan that they are overworked and on low pay, but they can’t seem to see that they have inflicted and created their own carp job.
They are all British citizens, and are actually all good, decent blokes, most are long term (10 years plus) brainwashed company drivers who work their nads off.
Where as I am the ‘slow’ agency driver (on a substantially higher pay rate) who always finishes last, . The management check my time stamped notes and say say they ‘can’t understand’ how it takes me so long (up to two hours longer) to do the same work as their own drivers.
human cannonball:
If the earnings reflected the hours and conditions then the standards of the drivers would improve.
Spot on mate, too many drivers look at the bottom figure on their payslip, count exs as their wages, and don’t take into consideration the hours they had to put in to achieve that figure.
Granted that long hours are the nature of the job, that does not mean that the drivers have to subsidise the hauliers rates put in to win said job and consequently work for a poor hourly rate, resulting in drivers needing to work said long hours to earn a living wage, let alone a good wage.
Bring into the equation the knobs that are HAPPY to work for [zb] all…as long as they drive a Toplinesuperspacemegacabbed lit up like a Christmas tree chromed up motor in return the problem goes on.
These two posters above should be executed for writing this ridiculous slander about hauliers lowering their rates to get the work, then paying their drivers the lowest hourly wage possible.
This would never happen where I’m currently working (I’m and Agency driver doing class 1 on local work). Most of the employed local drivers here start their shift at up to 45 minutes earlier (unpaid) and are already working ‘‘competitively’’ against each other to see who can get the most loads done in the least time, they appear to be ‘working their unpaid breaks’ (by using the 2nd generation digi tacho, ‘‘push the bed button trick’’ when in queues etc) they’re paid low hourly rates and are working ‘flat out’ to get their job done as soon as possible. (It seems to be ‘top dog’ is all about finishing early) and all for £1.25p above the minimum pay rate. They then moan that they are overworked and on low pay, but they can’t seem to see that they have inflicted and created their own carp job.
They are all British citizens, and are actually all good, decent blokes, most are long term (10 years plus) brainwashed company drivers who work their nads off.
Where as I am the ‘slow’ agency driver (on a substantially higher pay rate) who always finishes last, . The management check my time stamped notes and say say they ‘can’t understand’ how it takes me so long (up to two hours longer) to do the same work as their own drivers.
Yeh OK mate, but hold back the firing squad while I plead innocence by explaining that I was referring to DRIVERS, off a similar stamp to yourself, not complete and total knob heads, am I repreived?
Just out of interest, when was the last time you guys really took a look at the Universal Job Search which effectively is the way the Job centre advertises vacancies … vast majority of jobs being posted are recruitment agencies just bolstering there figures, don’t think their real vacancies, just a false promise of one
) as you don’t have to be a Brain Surgeon to drive a truck 
, I would say it is more of a 70/30% ratio in favour of them. Go to every city in the UK, you see them mostly walking (perfectly) with sticks, incidentally an insult to genuine disabled people, these people have benefit abuse to a fine art, and will never take a job as long as they have holes in their arses.
