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It makes my toe itch that I work bloody hard to pay for someone who’s never done a days work in their life have as good a living or better than I do. I live right beside a council estate and can see the homes that have been bought by their owners, they haven’t been done up with new brickwork,new roofs and new double glazing, they don’t have 10 plate plus cars in the driveway, it makes me sick that I’m paying for it.

What we should do for the non workers is give them food tokens and a roof over their head, money should not come into it. When they find work then they can afford the luxuries they want, make them work for it like the rest of us have to.

Rant over :laughing:

I think we need to separate those that have worked but have been either made redundant, become ill or whatever from those that have never worked and seen their parents never work and get away with it. It is easy to tar everyone with the same brush but they are not all the same, the current trend for people who have no wish to work is to turn up at the jobcentre with a can of beer in hand, they then say that they cannot get through the day without a drink, you will find that these people are never pushed to find work or to complete these silly joke courses that remove them from the list for 12 weeks at a time, my brother in law who is 61 has always worked but through no fault of his own was made redundant last October, by January he was applying for upwards of 10 - 12 jobs per week, the spotty herbert at the jobcentre told him he wasn’t doing enough to find work and his money would cease - and it did! He is now working again but no thanks to any JC or course, it’s pathetic!

The other side of the tale is a 25 year old lad I know, not a relative of mine but I knew his father, he never worked and neither has this lad, he left school at 16 and has never worked - ever! He has a council flat and all the furniture was supplied by either a charity or by a grant from DWP, he pulls the trick with the beer can and also has his girlfriends name tattooed on his neck in a prominent place (another neat trick, a lot of business’s that require you to deal with the public will not employ anyone with such tattoo’s), his girlfriend has just popped a sprog but she has her own flat, he spends most of his day in his flat playing an x box on his 50" TV ■■? His dad told me that he (the son) is never chased to fill in the job diary nor is he sent on any courses, he was assessed but told them that he needs to smoke weed to relax and relies on a drink each day. He still signs on!

So which of these two are spongers? Not both of them that’s for sure, my brother in law came close to bankruptcy because of the antics of the JC staff and he has a council house, this kid just laughs at you and me who have always done the right thing and his kind always will, but you need to separate that kind from hard working people who for no fault of their own are out of work.

Can i add my tu’pennworth to this, a in 2010 I found myself out of work due to a cancelled contract. I had to “sign” on twice before I got another job, I had not been out of work for 30 years so this was a bit of a culture shock for me.

When I was in the dole office you could spot the “out of work - but desperate for a job” type people with ease by their demanour and appearance, some coming suited and booted to sign on.

Then there was the “F**k you, what do I want a job for - lifes to short” who give the staff a hard time ( a lot of those were temporary workers to :astonished: ) and just want to get back home to the xbox.

There has always been people who work the system (rich and poor) I can remember a guy being in our local paper when I was 14 (35 years ago!!! gulp) for not having a job in 20 years - it was news worthy then, he freely admitted he did not want to work and therefore did not have to.

The problem is one size approach won’t work but the countries spen on benefits is huge - I cannot claim to have the solution, but I also know a lot of employers won’t touch anyone who is a long term doley (6 months plus) as they think they are not really intrested in a job and just need to show willing to keep the benefits gravy train going

hardyd44:
Can i add my tu’pennworth to this, a in 2010 I found myself out of work due to a cancelled contract. I had to “sign” on twice before I got another job, I had not been out of work for 30 years so this was a bit of a culture shock for me.

When I was in the dole office you could spot the “out of work - but desperate for a job” type people with ease by their demanour and appearance, some coming suited and booted to sign on.

Then there was the “F**k you, what do I want a job for - lifes to short” who give the staff a hard time ( a lot of those were temporary workers to :astonished: ) and just want to get back home to the xbox.

There has always been people who work the system (rich and poor) I can remember a guy being in our local paper when I was 14 (35 years ago!!! gulp) for not having a job in 20 years - it was news worthy then, he freely admitted he did not want to work and therefore did not have to.

The problem is one size approach won’t work but the countries spen on benefits is huge - I cannot claim to have the solution, but I also know a lot of employers won’t touch anyone who is a long term doley (6 months plus) as they think they are not really intrested in a job and just need to show willing to keep the benefits gravy train going

The solution seems simple enough to me.Knock the whole zb socialist idea of ‘social security’ and the NHS on the head.Then pay back all the contributions and taxes (with interest) to everyone who’s paid into the zb system and then evryone has to make their own arrangements privately.In which case we’d soon see that most of those who complain loudest,about social security claimants being scroungers,are actually the ones who want to keep the system most.Usually on the hypocritical basis of everyone else who needs to claim is a scrounger except them.When in fact the real issue is why should anyone support anyone else in a self preservation society.It’s just another symptom of the fact that socialism can’t work because of human nature.

The fact is no one can complain about those with private arrangements taking early retirement in the case of a medical issue putting them out of their own specific type of job or claiming income protection in the case of not being able to find an equivalent job paying an equivalent wage to the one they’ve been made redundant from etc because,unlike the zb socialist idea,that’s exactly the type of cover which they’ve made sure is written in the policy in return for the premiums which they’ve paid in for. :bulb:

brados:
I think we need to separate those that have worked but have been either made redundant, become ill or whatever from those that have never worked and seen their parents never work and get away with it. It is easy to tar everyone with the same brush but they are not all the same, the current trend for people who have no wish to work is to turn up at the jobcentre with a can of beer in hand, they then say that they cannot get through the day without a drink, you will find that these people are never pushed to find work or to complete these silly joke courses that remove them from the list for 12 weeks at a time, my brother in law who is 61 has always worked but through no fault of his own was made redundant last October, by January he was applying for upwards of 10 - 12 jobs per week, the spotty herbert at the jobcentre told him he wasn’t doing enough to find work and his money would cease - and it did! He is now working again but no thanks to any JC or course, it’s pathetic!

The other side of the tale is a 25 year old lad I know, not a relative of mine but I knew his father, he never worked and neither has this lad, he left school at 16 and has never worked - ever! He has a council flat and all the furniture was supplied by either a charity or by a grant from DWP, he pulls the trick with the beer can and also has his girlfriends name tattooed on his neck in a prominent place (another neat trick, a lot of business’s that require you to deal with the public will not employ anyone with such tattoo’s), his girlfriend has just popped a sprog but she has her own flat, he spends most of his day in his flat playing an x box on his 50" TV ■■? His dad told me that he (the son) is never chased to fill in the job diary nor is he sent on any courses, he was assessed but told them that he needs to smoke weed to relax and relies on a drink each day. He still signs on!

So which of these two are spongers? Not both of them that’s for sure, my brother in law came close to bankruptcy because of the antics of the JC staff and he has a council house, this kid just laughs at you and me who have always done the right thing and his kind always will, but you need to separate that kind from hard working people who for no fault of their own are out of work.

If we scrap the whole socialist zb system,as we should do,that problem won’t exist.But then neither would that zb socialist idea of state subsidised council housing either. :smiling_imp: :unamused:

stagedriver:
Your not working for free, your working for a wage off the gov - YOUR BENEFITS!

too true,and a lot of the time for a free house and everything else what goes with it.

rearaxle:
Well i aint sticking up for poles or owt but least they do come over and work, come on how many able bodied people you know aint done a days work in 10yr have a car and holidays and go to the pub every Monday. Now i’m not saying working for nowt is the way forward but if it does get these lazy sods out of bed in a [zb] morning instead of playing music till all hours drinking cans and staying in bed till 1 in the afternoon, then i say give it a go just for that reason.

spot on,sounds like here in brid with the lazy gits

stobarttrucker:

stagedriver:
Your not working for free, your working for a wage off the gov - YOUR BENEFITS!

too true,and a lot of the time for a free house and everything else what goes with it.

Blimey so everyone works for nothing but everything is free so every one is a winner. :open_mouth: :laughing:

So we scrap the NHS and Benefits, are we going to have the right to bear arms as in the usa too? because we i fear would be in need of them, the plod wouldn’t be able to cope with the increased crime rates that would ensue, there are not enough jobs out there that for one pay a sufficient wage in return for the graft, the country is FKED & it has been for a very long time thatcher helped Fu it up, house prices went up through the roof during 80s-90s and are still priced far too high, councils sold most of their housing and so far have not replaced it by building new, the influx of the migrant worker and the other illegal clandestine element have caused almost all the affordable housing that did exist to be swallowed up by greedy gang masters and landlords,
So you need a relatively well paid job in order to make it work your while working, after all we all only work for it’s financial rewards in the first place, i unless i win the lottery will never be able to afford my own home, neither will the majority of those leaving school today,
The whole thing needs change not just saving public spending (allegedly) house prices need to fall by alot and the cost of living needs to also reduce too, so we can all live for a lot less money, the only alternative is keep on borrowing spending so those that are rich stay that way , because if we did the other ,it would be just as unpopular wouldn’t it,
At the end of the day a house is bricks &mortar that occupies a plot of land, how can both increase in value without them both increasing in size too ,

stobarttrucker:

stagedriver:
Your not working for free, your working for a wage off the gov - YOUR BENEFITS!

too true,and a lot of the time for a free house and everything else what goes with it.

i get it. you’re into communism.
if i was in the position of being long term unemployed, i would prefer a proper job rather than working for benefits.

I like a lot of the previous posters dont agree entirely with the benefits system as it stands at the moment.

I applied for a council flat around two years ago but because i was in full time employment single, and had no dependants was put to the bottom of every list.

Yet if I’d never worked a day in my life, got 3 kids by 3 different dads and was an alcoholic, I would get it all for free. I was quite happily prepared to pay and take on a bit of a dive of a place. And put a bit of money back into the system.

I appreciate that people in an awkward position such as being a single parent find it difficult, however there are at least 3 girls i went to school with who’s life ambition was to have a few “sprogs” and never work.

Yet people who desperately need help from the social system dont seem to get it. I think thats what my bug bear is.

Maybe the back to work system would work if they reduced the standing rate of benefits(for those fit and able to) and for however many hours they worked they received a wage for to top it up. Ie those who could only manage 20 hrs a week would receive a bonus to their standing benefit.
I dont know if it would work and if any companies would accept that kind of set up.
I do doubt this would ever work however the way to get people off there asses if to dangle £notes in front of them, thats seems to be all that drives people these days .

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oddzpop:
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That’s funny, but sadly true :smiley:

oddzpop:
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that’s the best thing i’ve seen for ages. cheers. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

oddzpop:
I like a lot of the previous posters dont agree entirely with the benefits system as it stands at the moment.

I applied for a council flat around two years ago but because i was in full time employment single, and had no dependants was put to the bottom of every list.

Yet if I’d never worked a day in my life, got 3 kids by 3 different dads and was an alcoholic, I would get it all for free. I was quite happily prepared to pay and take on a bit of a dive of a place. And put a bit of money back into the system.

I appreciate that people in an awkward position such as being a single parent find it difficult, however there are at least 3 girls i went to school with who’s life ambition was to have a few “sprogs” and never work.

Yet people who desperately need help from the social system dont seem to get it. I think thats what my bug bear is.

Maybe the back to work system would work if they reduced the standing rate of benefits(for those fit and able to) and for however many hours they worked they received a wage for to top it up. Ie those who could only manage 20 hrs a week would receive a bonus to their standing benefit.
I dont know if it would work and if any companies would accept that kind of set up.
I do doubt this would ever work however the way to get people off there asses if to dangle £notes in front of them, thats seems to be all that drives people these days .

Essay over
Oddz

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:open_mouth: Which part of living in (what should be) a capitalist economy don’t you understand.

No surprise that someone who believes in state subsidised council housing also can’t understand the idea that it (should rightly be) all about dangling enough £ notes in front of workers so that they can afford to look after themselves and their wife.It’s those girls who’s ambition in life is to raise their kids instead of being career girls who are actually doing what nature intended and it’s those who are (rightly) in most demand as good wife material not the career girls.The problem is that the guvnors don’t want to pay a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work even for a single person to keep themselves let alone for a husband to keep a wife and family as nature intended.

limeyphil:

stobarttrucker:

stagedriver:
Your not working for free, your working for a wage off the gov - YOUR BENEFITS!

too true,and a lot of the time for a free house and everything else what goes with it.

i get it. you’re into communism.
if i was in the position of being long term unemployed, i would prefer a proper job rather than working for benefits.

It doesn’t take a genius to see that all the signs are there,that the British are turning into a load of commie whingers, who support the NHS,Social Security and council housing but only on their own terms of everyone else except them should be viewed with suspicion as a scrounger and need to be watched and forced into the Gulag to work for nothing. :unamused:

oddzpop:
I applied for a council flat around two years ago but because i was in full time employment single, and had no dependants was put to the bottom of every list.

The social housing system is in crisis in many areas.

A friend of mine was forced out of his job last year by a new boss. My friend is dyslexic. Unfortunately, his previous boss left - she understood his strengths and weaknesses, also she recognised that she had complementary skills to my friend so together they made a strong team.

The new boss expected her deputy, my friend, to have the same skills that she did, which would never be the case. The new boss expected my friend to deal with complex matters that were not urgent in exactly the same way she would do herself. Clearly, this approach was doomed - the boss homed in on every little slip my friend made rather than using his complementary skills effectively. She also failed to implement the Equality Act requirement to offer reasonable adjustments, despite my friend commissioning a formal dyslexia assessment at his own expense.

It became clear that the boss had decided to use the disciplinary system as a weapon to force my friend out, making every small slip a disciplinary matter. Eventually, on union advice, he recognised that the battle was lost - notwithstanding his legal rights, there was no way he could stay in this job under this boss, so the best solution was to negotiate a pay-off to leave.

Unfortunately my friend lived in tied accommodation, so losing his job left him, his wife and their pre-school daughter homeless. They’d been working with the local housing association for a while, as they had recognised he may well lose his job.

All the housing association could do was to give them one room in a homelessness hostel, where they lived for six months with shared bathrooms and kitchens. They were lucky to get in there - what was intended as a short-term homelessness hostel was increasingly being used for long stays due to lack of housing, and the hostel was full much of the time. Had they not got into the hostel, they would have landed up in a cheap B&B.

My friends kept on applying for accommodation in each fortnightly round, recognising that they would be grateful for anything they got. They were willing to take anything with two bedrooms in the town where their daughter had spent all her life and had put down roots.

After six months, they eventually got a small two bed semi, in need of some tidying up. They recognise they were exceptionally lucky to get that house.

Talking to the housing association, they were told that only people assessed as at critical need of housing (category A) had been offered a first housing association tenancy during the six months they spent in the hostel. Their six month stay in the hostel was because of the number of category A people who had been waiting longer and the small supply of available property. There is such pressure on housing in many areas that everyone else is being turned away.

My friends’ circumstances were extensively investigated before they were given category A status - amongst other things, they had to provide written evidence from the union rep that, in his opinion, my friend really had no alternative to leaving his job. Had my friend been sacked following disciplinary proceedings, he would likely have been deemed intentionally homeless because it would be regarded as his fault he lost his job. Had this happened, the council and housing association would have had no responsibilities towards them other than putting them on a waiting list in a category below A where there was almost no chance of them being housed.

Single homeless people in that area with no special needs (usually health problems or having been in local authority care) were being advised by this housing association that there was little point joining the waiting list for accommodation because they were not going to get an offer of housing for many years, if at all. Very few category B people were being offered housing - and these are people with considerable housing needs who have often waited for years.

There is no point joining the category D waiting list in that local authority - there are people who have been on that list for many years and nobody on that list is being offered housing. That sounds like the category you would have fallen into two years ago, oddzpop, and the situation has got much worse since. Realistically, councils and housing associations are not going to have anything to offer single working people in the foreseeable future, unless there is a huge programme of building new social housing.

Families with young children who land up unintentionally homeless are languishing in temporary accommodation for many months before being housed in this area - and I suspect this area is typical of many. The days when social housing was relatively easily available to certain groups have long gone.

tommy t:
So we scrap the NHS and Benefits, are we going to have the right to bear arms as in the usa too? because we i fear would be in need of them, the plod wouldn’t be able to cope with the increased crime rates that would ensue, there are not enough jobs out there that for one pay a sufficient wage in return for the graft, the country is FKED & it has been for a very long time thatcher helped Fu it up, house prices went up through the roof during 80s-90s and are still priced far too high, councils sold most of their housing and so far have not replaced it by building new, the influx of the migrant worker and the other illegal clandestine element have caused almost all the affordable housing that did exist to be swallowed up by greedy gang masters and landlords,
So you need a relatively well paid job in order to make it work your while working, after all we all only work for it’s financial rewards in the first place, i unless i win the lottery will never be able to afford my own home, neither will the majority of those leaving school today,
The whole thing needs change not just saving public spending (allegedly) house prices need to fall by alot and the cost of living needs to also reduce too, so we can all live for a lot less money, the only alternative is keep on borrowing spending so those that are rich stay that way , because if we did the other ,it would be just as unpopular wouldn’t it,
At the end of the day a house is bricks &mortar that occupies a plot of land, how can both increase in value without them both increasing in size too ,

We know that Thatcher zb’d the economy but you’re not going to fix it by trying to keep the flawed socialist ideas of the NHS and social security and then adding insult to injury by making people work for nothing. :unamused:

djw:

oddzpop:
I applied for a council flat around two years ago but because i was in full time employment single, and had no dependants was put to the bottom of every list.

The social housing system is in crisis in many areas.

A friend of mine was forced out of his job last year by a new boss. My friend is dyslexic. Unfortunately, his previous boss left - she understood his strengths and weaknesses, also she recognised that she had complementary skills to my friend so together they made a strong team.

The new boss expected her deputy, my friend, to have the same skills that she did, which would never be the case. The new boss expected my friend to deal with complex matters that were not urgent in exactly the same way she would do herself. Clearly, this approach was doomed - the boss homed in on every little slip my friend made rather than using his complementary skills effectively. She also failed to implement the Equality Act requirement to offer reasonable adjustments, despite my friend commissioning a formal dyslexia assessment at his own expense.

It became clear that the boss had decided to use the disciplinary system as a weapon to force my friend out, making every small slip a disciplinary matter. Eventually, on union advice, he recognised that the battle was lost - notwithstanding his legal rights, there was no way he could stay in this job under this boss, so the best solution was to negotiate a pay-off to leave.

Unfortunately my friend lived in tied accommodation, so losing his job left him, his wife and their pre-school daughter homeless. They’d been working with the local housing association for a while, as they had recognised he may well lose his job.

All the housing association could do was to give them one room in a homelessness hostel, where they lived for six months with shared bathrooms and kitchens. They were lucky to get in there - what was intended as a short-term homelessness hostel was increasingly being used for long stays due to lack of housing, and the hostel was full much of the time. Had they not got into the hostel, they would have landed up in a cheap B&B.

My friends kept on applying for accommodation in each fortnightly round, recognising that they would be grateful for anything they got. They were willing to take anything with two bedrooms in the town where their daughter had spent all her life and had put down roots.

After six months, they eventually got a small two bed semi, in need of some tidying up. They recognise they were exceptionally lucky to get that house.

Talking to the housing association, they were told that only people assessed as at critical need of housing (category A) had been offered a first housing association tenancy during the six months they spent in the hostel. Their six month stay in the hostel was because of the number of category A people who had been waiting longer and the small supply of available property. There is such pressure on housing in many areas that everyone else is being turned away.

My friends’ circumstances were extensively investigated before they were given category A status - amongst other things, they had to provide written evidence from the union rep that, in his opinion, my friend really had no alternative to leaving his job. Had my friend been sacked following disciplinary proceedings, he would likely have been deemed intentionally homeless because it would be regarded as his fault he lost his job. Had this happened, the council and housing association would have had no responsibilities towards them other than putting them on a waiting list in a category below A where there was almost no chance of them being housed.

Single homeless people in that area with no special needs (usually health problems or having been in local authority care) were being advised by this housing association that there was little point joining the waiting list for accommodation because they were not going to get an offer of housing for many years, if at all. Very few category B people were being offered housing - and these are people with considerable housing needs who have often waited for years.

There is no point joining the category D waiting list in that local authority - there are people who have been on that list for many years and nobody on that list is being offered housing. That sounds like the category you would have fallen into two years ago, oddzpop, and the situation has got much worse since. Realistically, councils and housing associations are not going to have anything to offer single working people in the foreseeable future, unless there is a huge programme of building new social housing.

Families with young children who land up unintentionally homeless are languishing in temporary accommodation for many months before being housed in this area - and I suspect this area is typical of many. The days when social housing was relatively easily available to certain groups have long gone.

So we cover what’s left of the countryside in loads more state funded housing to house loads more of London’s immigrants and unemployed people etc etc which they then flog off on the private market for personal profit at the first chance they get while at the same time those champaign socialists are complaining about redundant workers not working for nothing,as part of so called ‘benefit reforms’,on the basis of everyone else is a scrounger except them.Typical socialist bs. :imp:

I wonder what “big business” will do when we have to spend all our “free” wages in buying their overpriced crap.