bubsy06:
You can also see 3D trucks without paying for a magazine and cardboard elton john style glasses by visiting roads, truck stops, industrial estates and anywhere else trucks hang out
Itâs a valid pointâŚ
bubsy06:
You can also see 3D trucks without paying for a magazine and cardboard elton john style glasses by visiting roads, truck stops, industrial estates and anywhere else trucks hang out
But then they are not photographed by this great FOTO guyâŚ
This looks like the defining moment when Truck & Driver âjumped the sharkâ.
Harry Monk:
To my mind, Truck & Driver went sharply downhill when Dave Young was replaced as editor.
Totally agree with you there Harry.
I used to have a subscription for both T&D and Trucking,but after seeing,on more than one occasion,the same stories covered in both magazines in the same month,I stopped getting Trucking.
I wish I hadnât.With Trucking I thought I was at least getting my moneyâs worth as it took me much more than the 45 mins it takes me to read T&D.
I hanker for the old dayâs of Truck magazine when there were interesting articles to read,truck tests and of course Phil Llewlyns LDDâs.
Phil could put together an LDD that was much more interesting,often with little snippets of information about towns and places passed by en-route.
I too have no interest in van reviews,albums or book reviews,if I did Iâd buy a specialist magazine on the subject.
And the bling covered trucks that are featured month after month become very boring,now itâs more like âLook how many spotlights Iâve got on the frontâ!
What I would like to see is a âWhere are they nowâ? kind of series,where old driverâs and companies that were featured in LDDâs from years gone by were tracked down.With the huge interest on this site regarding âThe good old daysâ about companies such as Astran etc. I reckon it would be a winner.There must be loads of them still about.
FOTO:
bazza123:
FOTO:
That picture is copyright Associated Press.Its from BBC Technology (as acknowledged
) If you type submarines and Barrow into Google the same pic comes up lots of times.
EDIT: Sorted.
No, not sorted. It matters not a jot where you got the picture from, who you credited or how many times it came up on google. If you nicked it from my website and credited me, youâd be in breach of my terms and conditions. Rather than just inventing copyright laws which clearly donât exist, hereâs a link to APâs T&Cs: ap.org/pages/about/terms.html.
If you canât be bothered to read all of it, article no.6 is the bit for you: "You may make a single print copy of any of the Materials carried by AP on this Web site for personal, non-commercial use only, provide that you do not remove nor cause to be removed any copyright, trademarks, or other proprietary notices or visual marks or logos from the Material⌠" This image use is clearly not under the heading of personal or non-commercial.
The BBC paid for the use of this image through a subscription service to APâs newswires, which in itself does not give them permission to allow people to do whatever the hell they like with it. Just in youâre in any doubt, hereâs a link to their T&Câs too: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3281849.stm. "In accessing the BBCâs web pages, you agree that you may only download the content for your own personal non-commercial use.
Except where expressly stated otherwise, you are not permitted to copy, broadcast, download, store (in any medium), transmit, show or play in public, adapt or change in any way the content of these BBC web pages for any other purpose whatsoever without the prior written permission of the BBC⌠"If youâd like me to, I can test the copyright laws to their fullest extent across the entire volume of this forum.
I meant sorted in the sense that I had deleted the offending picture for Godâs sake 
It wasnât my intention to break any laws etc.
Anyway Foto, if a current or ex customer of T&D writes on this website that he or she finds a particular aspect of your/the magâs work rubbish/crap then they are entitled to their opinion and remember, the Customer Is ALWAYS Right 
If some of your customers are saying they donât like something then itâs T&Dâs job to at least acknowledge that and maybe alter things as they see fit. I would also point out that unfortunately for you I would imagine alot of T&d readers use this website, so it pays not to offend them too much. I canât imagine the boss of a supermarket getting defensive when customers say they donât like things - itâs up to them to provide what the customer wants, not for them to decide what they should have. This thread in a small way helps facilitate that.
A T&d customer.
I meant sorted in the sense that I had deleted the offending picture for Godâs sake It wasnât my intention to break any laws etc.
Thank you for that, It is our job to respect the laws , and we dont expect users of the forum to to have an intimate knowledge of copyright law, but we do ask they respect when we have to react to copyright breaches
Anyway Foto, if a current or ex customer of T&D writes on this website that he or she finds a particular aspect of your/the magâs work rubbish/crap then they are entitled to their opinion and remember, the Customer Is ALWAYS Right
An opinion is welcomed when it is well formed , abuse is not constrctive criticism, not saying your comments were , but some on this thread are
If some of your customers are saying they donât like something then itâs T&Dâs job to at least acknowledge that and maybe alter things as they see fit.
See above, also the best way of changing things is to opem a dialogue directly with the team that produces the magazine ⌠so call them or e-mail them their numbers and e-mail adresses are printed in the magazine
I would also point out that unfortunately for you I would imagine alot of T&d readers use this website, so it pays not to offend them too much.
I cant see where in this thread any T&D staff has caused any offence to any individual
I canât imagine the boss of a supermarket getting defensive when customers say they donât like things - itâs up to them to provide what the customer wants, not for them to decide what they should have.
I cant see any supermarket allowing this type of disscussion on their forums or almost any other company⌠the very fact we do should show we are open to discusssion, what we are not open open to is non constructive rants⌠so that said discuss reasonably and get a response give none constructive posts and watch them get igonred
This thread in a small way helps facilitate that.
not so far it hasnt⌠but lets hope that people dont troll it ⌠simply to get a reaction and use it to post positive ideas on where they want their magazine to be
So lets take this forward
the negative points have been stated and will remain
From thihs point on lets look at what you want T&D to be.
Iâve met FOTO a couple of times at truck launches etc when he was the enemy at Trucking, he seemed a reasonable type of bloke, but for one thing, he was really in to his job, just as us lot are, like it or not, lorry/transport nerds, after all we spend our free time poncing around on a lorry drivers forum 
That may be why he makes such a substantial investment in his equipment, because he likes what he does and wants the very best, similar to the owner driver who, because he can afford it, buys a top of the range unit, okay FOTO did throw the teddies around, but having worked with professional photographers, I know they get all âartisticâ at times, itâs their desire to get the job done properly.
One thing I will say is that the quality of photographs in British magazines is outstanding, during my time at TRUCK I spent a lot of time overseas and the PR people at every manufacturer commented on the quality of our pictures, the British photographers are at the top of their game, that is without question. I currently write for some North American magazines and in comparison to T&D their pictures are crap.
I havenât yet got my copy of T&D, now I wonât be getting a stiffy over 3D pics, that I will guarantee, personally I think itâs a bit of a gimmick, Top Gear did it a couple of years back and it gave me a headache.
I get a little annoyed at the people slagging T&D off, of course as a regular contributor I have a sense of loyalty, but itâs not just that, I have no issue with the ones who say they donât like it, everybody has an opinion to which theyâre entitled, but the ones that think they can do it better, yet contribute nothing, yes Rob, youâre in this gang, youâre more than capable of writing some entertaining articles, so why donât you? Harry too, so what if youâre Russian stuff is 10yrs old, Ashley Coghill has just sold 1000s of books about journeys to the M/E in the 60s and 70s, you have the ability to write a decent story, you have the pictures, so why not?
Harry Monk:
Rikki-UK:
Or perhaps he is just very good at his job, highly respected within the industry for his work and has a large number of high profile clientsâŚIâm sure he is but that doesnât explain why he needs three Nikon cameras to take photographs when taking photographs can normally be accomplished with one camera. My girlf is a freelance photographer and has a Nikon D300 which retails at around ÂŁ1000, she tells me that even this is an indulgance and that she could take photographs of identical quality with a camera costing less than half the price.
There is a recession on. Perhaps T&D could do the same as we are all having to do and look to reduce its outlay.
The camera I use to put stuff on here cost ÂŁ30 from Tescos 3 years agoâŚdoes itâs job.
Rob K:
bubsy06:
You can also see 3D trucks without paying for a magazine and cardboard elton john style glasses by visiting roads, truck stops, industrial estates and anywhere else trucks hang out
Dave The Renegade being a case in point; I like his pics as theyâre on the spur of the moment, no âput it to the left, over that puddle to reflect the paintwork, now, get the driver to look in that direction, oh put the headlights on. Oh hang on, canât use this one, itâs not a Trania with bullbars and spotlights onâŚâ 
Muckaway:
The camera I use to put stuff on here cost ÂŁ30 from Tescos 3 years agoâŚdoes itâs job.
And thatâs why you drive a tipper Or have you taken up gardening full time now
Imp:
As for FOTO are you for real, why would you spend sooo much money on camera equipment mearly for taking pics of trucks? I used to be a freelance snapper covering rallying. Had about 2/3k of gear at anyone time thats got put through wind rain snow the lot lasted for 3/4 years before changing so how you get your figure for sunny pics of trucks doesnt add up unless your gibing the editor a doggy reciept and making a profit!! LOL
have a look at his website and the see what you think.
here is a link to his client listâŚ
newmercman:
Muckaway:
The camera I use to put stuff on here cost ÂŁ30 from Tescos 3 years agoâŚdoes itâs job.And thatâs why you drive a tipper
No but I used to drive earthmoving plant, so occasionally I get the 2 mixed up! I think our disciplinary procedureâs being used again soon, a driver hit one of our ethnic cousins from behind last week; 1 occupant but thatâs sure to include 2 cousins from Bangladesh and granny from Bradford! Be interesting to see which the boss regards more serious; gardening or rtasâ?
newmercman:
I get a little annoyed at the people slagging T&D off, of course as a regular contributor I have a sense of loyalty, but itâs not just that, I have no issue with the ones who say they donât like it, everybody has an opinion to which theyâre entitled, but the ones that think they can do it better, yet contribute nothing, yes Rob, youâre in this gang, youâre more than capable of writing some entertaining articles, so why donât you? Harry too, so what if youâre Russian stuff is 10yrs old, Ashley Coghill has just sold 1000s of books about journeys to the M/E in the 60s and 70s, you have the ability to write a decent story, you have the pictures, so why not?
I am capable of a lot of things but
a) they need to start adding zeros to the prices paid for content
b) theyâre not [zb] interested anyway. How many times has this topic come up and suggestions been made? Hundreds of times. And what have they done about it? [zb] all.
[zb] em anyway. Had enough of this BS. Itâs the same with everything these days. Nothing âworksâ as it should and you go out of your way to offer advice/suggestions/solutions and you just get it thrown back in your face anyway so let the [zb] thing fail for all I care. Same with ODs when they come on here asking for advice, you give it and then they just carry on regardless. Well Iâm done with it, bollox to the lot of them. And Rikki that other offer is withdrawn as well seeing as you couldnât be arsed to come back to me on that either. [zb] sick of time-wasters. And yes I am in a bad mood today. 
that was a big readâŚ
I have almost forgotten what the start of the thread was about, but here is my 2 cents worth, OK some of you donât get the 3D thing, it could have worked, it might have worked or it might not have, looking through these posts it didnât with someâŚLife goes on.
The magazine as a whole is still selling so they must be doing something right, but, there is always room for improvement, me, if I had the know how I would want to change some aspect of the magazine, the music and book reviews are ok IMHO, but I think the van thing belongs in a different magazine. just my opinion.
There have been some good suggestions within this thread, it is a bit of a shame those who can influence the content of the magazine seem to have shunned them and concentrated on the âI hate negativityâ aspects of posts,
I feel that FOTO just had a Ratner moment by shooting down the very people who pay his wage, but what do I know?
This forum is based on people sharing differing opinions about everything and that is good, no matter what the opinion, for someone to say that they would stop the funding because we donât all follow the party line is tantamount to saying the forum should toe the party line or goâŚ
I liked the days when we werenât sponsored, and if the sponsors donât like what they read I hope they pull the plug, because there is always another forum that will become as big as this one. The Internet is full of forgotten sites, even facebook will come to an end one day, they all do, Truck net has a niche, but there are plenty of other sites perfectly able to fill in when TN goes, I am not one for change, but when driven will always vote with my feet as others have done before me.
Do I buy the magazine? well it always depends on what I see on the front cover, When there is a story or article highlighted on the front that appeals to me I get it, if not I donât. The same applies to the other magazines.
How many times have I read posts where everyone is saying drivers should be respected ?
and now on this post I see by and large the same people ripping other professions to pieces urely if we are always saying that those who criticise drivers should try doing the job first before they criticise then surely the same should apply here ?
Vascoingles:
How many times have I read posts where everyone is saying drivers should be respected ?
and now on this post I see by and large the same people ripping other professions to pieces
people have made suggestions and offered honest views of a magazine, then the people who are involved in said magazine take umbrage, ok some criticism has been a bit harsh maybe, but lots was constructive and then just pushed aside, followed by what seemed to me like veiled threats. The magazine in question stands or falls on what people exactly like those using this forum think of it. If the reaction to criticism from a lets face it very large group of potential readers is just shunned then they are likely to be living a borrowed life, there are at present 19230 members of this site, the majority might be considered to be truck enthusiasts, now if T&D canât see that as important and realize that these are the people they need as reader, then there is something seriously wrong with their marketing department, I would think a statement like fotoâs will not go down well with those who want to make money from the magazine.
taken from this siteThis is their sales and what they say they represent
Circulation 26,599*
Target Audience Employed drivers, owner drivers and agency drivers
the number of members of this site is equivilent to nearly 80% of their total readership, that is no insegnificant number and to ignore their critisism would be foolhardy in the extreme
It isnât professions that they are ripping to pieces, it is a product thet many feel doesnât quite do what the readership want from it.
true Jimti
but just as we know that the public in general do not realise why drivers sometimes take the decisions that they do because they have no idea of driving, then obviously we as drivers have not much idea about the running and publishing of magazines and obviously they have their reasons for doing things that we cannot know about and they will just as we do have their instructions from above as to what they can and canĂ´t do.
And just asmany on these forums take extreme umbrage at being criticised by peoplenot in the know andlet off steam on the forums then it is not surprising when Tom does the same.
Iâll admit that Ive been reading Truck & Driver since Ive been at school and I like it, had a subscription to it for last christmas and I think its just expired 
RE the van reviews - has anybody thought that there might be owner drivers reading the magazine and might be thinking about buying a small van for a runabout etc?
You know what I would like to see in the magazine - other driving jobs covered such as courier drivers, coach drivers (theres more to that job than you actually think )âŚ!!
DAF95XF:
You know what I would like to see in the magazine - other driving jobs covered such as courier drivers, coach drivers (theres more to that job than you actually think
Seriousâ â ?
The title of the magazine is âTRUCK & DRIVERâ,which should be exactly who the thing is aimed at.
Perhaps you could suggest they start another couple of mags,like âCOACH & DRIVERâ or âVAN & DRIVERâ.
It is called âTruck and Driverâ
Lets see far more content from Truck Drivers.
More letters, More opinions, More Stories, and far less from the people who do not give a toss about drivers but just have an article for advertising purposes.
1000s of drivers do not use the internet or are not on here for weeks so the content contained in here can be used far more and made interesting.
I will buy it again when it becomes a âTruck and Driverâ Magazine and not all the crap that is in it at the moment.