This months T&D

One thing we all need to get straight: There’s only a handful of people in charge of what goes on at T&D: Principally we’re talking about Will Shiers (editor) and Chris Turner (deputy editor), followed by designer Steve Gale. Together with publisher Andy Salter, it is they who have the final say on what does or doesn’t go in the magazine, the format, the style, etc., not anyone from this website.

Anyway, to answer a few of your questions:-

The ideas above are all good ones. I’ve toiled with them myself. Trouble is, it’s not as simple as it sounds…

Re Afghanistan:

Over a year ago now, I had the offer to accompany Ghurka troops out in Afghanistan. Please remember this isn’t a trip to the seaside. My life would have been in danger from the second I flew into Afghan airspace, to the second I left. An RSM in Salisbury (who’d just returned) told me mortar rounds regularly land in the camp fired by insurgents from surrounding hillsides. I would go out with the convoys, where the risk (according to the British Army) was even greater. Despite all of this, I was determined to go. I thought it would be a photographic chance of a lifetime, and so put that before everything else. Three months down the line we (I say we, I really mean others) were embroiled in a series of endless meetings conducted at a level well beyond my pay grade. Personally, I didn’t understand why I couldn’t just get on a C130 and go. In the end I pulled the plug myself.

Re Volvo:

I had the same idea two years ago. I thought I’d start at the foundry where they cast the block and work my way through to the bit where they drive the truck off the line and along a short section of test track. I contacted Volvo’s PR people both here and in Sweden but the whole thing sort of fizzled out. Sometimes it’s just the way it goes. Spreading the article over several issues would be, in my opinion, a bit of a non-starter. It would switch people off in a “here we go again” sort of way.

Re US Truck Shows:

The problem with this one is not the cost of the flight or the hotels, it’s the time spent away from my office and studio (which is the reason I don’t do LDDs anymore). If I sent someone from this forum away in a truck for four days and told them I’d only be paying them for a day, would they go? I doubt it.

Re 3D issue (to answer some of the other questions above):

I can’t speak for Rikki, but I certainly don’t “sit in the pub all day” as someone on here suggested above. If you read my blog (tomcunninghamphoto.blogspot.com) you’ll probably get a clearer idea of why we embarked on a 3D issue. We genuinely thought it would be fun. In three and a half short weeks from now we’ll know the answer.

Re T&D (on the whole):

At present, I am the guy wholly responsible for the magazine’s Editor’s Choice, plus a few of the other features on a random basis. I have worked on T&D for over three years now, but before that spent 10 happy years on Trucking. Having supplied large amounts of material to both, they (admittedly) do have a huge crossover in terms of reader demographics, but there’s also a large separation between them at the same time. What works for one, wouldn’t always work for the other. Having two magazines in the same market supplying the exact same thing is the stuff of bankruptcy courts.

Unlike Rikki, I don’t have a salary, and unlike you lot, I don’t get a wage from driving a truck. I make my living solely from manufacturers’ photographic requirements and/or magazines. If a day comes when I’m not doing much, I’m running at a loss. I have full public indemnity insurance to the tune of £5m, full business car insurance, fully licensed software on the latest high-end Mac, and yesterday morning I coughed up £22K for three new Nikon cameras, six lenses and three flashguns. The average lifespan for my camera and computer gear is 24 months. I’ve got three telephone lines (so we can FTP files on separate lines), and a whole host of other fixed costs clients don’t know about (or want to know about). I’m not trying to be flash or clever here, I’m just trying to explain the difference between someone who does this for a living and someone who doesn’t.

Years ago I used to take the view that the readers came first, and would suffer long periods away from home for very little money. That was over ten years ago when the photography business was still relatively small and the overheads low. You only have to read some of the comments on this forum to see my stance on putting the readers first was, let’s be honest, a little stupid. Most of them don’t really give a monkey’s what I do, how I do it or how I make money.

I know it all sounds very simple, this magazine lark, but in reality many of the ideas the people on here come up with we’ve already thought of - many times over. We’re far from stupid guys. We look at a whole host of things; some work, some don’t. There is always a reason why they do or don’t see the light of day.

The main problem with T&D is the audience. We know who they are, we know what age they are, and it’s a bit worrying. For someone like me it’s a bit of a tightrope act of attracting new, younger readers without alienating the old guard: I realise the vast majority of T&D’s readers are 40 to retirement age males, but they are (to a large extent) the converted. They were brought up in the industry and probably sat in the passenger seat of their father’s lorry as children. That doesn’t happen in 2010 - for a multitude of reasons. We know twenty year olds are not even in the slightest bit interested in hearing stories about driving up Shap smoking a Woodbine and stopping at the top for lashings of jam roly poly; most of them wouldn’t know a suet-based pudding if it hit them on the head. This is where the conflict starts. Trust me, I’ve thought about it until my head hurts.

Last but not least, I’d like to end by saying that the day T&D’s editorial policy is dictated to by a handful of people on an internet forum, will be the day I leave. We’ve got tens of thousands of readers on the magazine, but trawling back through comments on here it always seems to be the same half a dozen empty vessels who think they’ve got the right to tell us how the magazine should be produced. “Those things simply do not work for me…” is one thing. That sort of stuff, the editorial team could act on and change course. However… “T&D should be scrapped. Awful magazine.” and “i dont buy it these days due to this fact, if i ever see a copy lying around i will take it with me just in case i dont have any toilet paper as this is all it is fit for these days wiping your [zb] with…” is quite another matter.

As I said to Lucy last night, "the noisy cog always get the grease - and you’ve got a lot of very noisy cogs… " I work bloody hard to produce the content I do, and I find it grossly insulting when faced with the comments above. I know the rough financial mechanics of this website; I think you are all very lucky people - I can’t think of many companies who would prop up a website which so openly, and so personally attacks the business, its products and the people who either directly or indirectly work for them.

But hey, if we’re all open to speaking our mind’s here, let me give you my little pearl of wisdom: If I were the person in charge of the ■■■■■ strings at rt.com, I would server the lifeline to this forum tomorrow. Instead, the money RBI spends could easily be invested in a proper T&D website with interactive areas, downloadable Editor’s Choice screensavers, up to date news, health topics, weather forecasts, minute-by-minute live traffic info, etc., etc. I wouldn’t care less if thousands of people were wiped off the company’s page impression data figures. At the very least I could go to work on Monday morning safe in the knowledge I wasn’t funding a misinformed, ill thought out personal attack on myself, my staff or my publication’s contributors.

jessicas dad:

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bazza123:

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That picture is copyright Associated Press.

Its from BBC Technology (as acknowledged :wink: ) If you type submarines and Barrow into Google the same pic comes up lots of times.

EDIT: Sorted.

No, not sorted. It matters not a jot where you got the picture from, who you credited or how many times it came up on google. If you nicked it from my website and credited me, you’d be in breach of my terms and conditions. Rather than just inventing copyright laws which clearly don’t exist, here’s a link to AP’s T&Cs: ap.org/pages/about/terms.html.

If you can’t be bothered to read all of it, article no.6 is the bit for you: "You may make a single print copy of any of the Materials carried by AP on this Web site for personal, non-commercial use only, provide that you do not remove nor cause to be removed any copyright, trademarks, or other proprietary notices or visual marks or logos from the Material… " This image use is clearly not under the heading of personal or non-commercial.

The BBC paid for the use of this image through a subscription service to AP’s newswires, which in itself does not give them permission to allow people to do whatever the hell they like with it. Just in you’re in any doubt, here’s a link to their T&C’s too: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3281849.stm. "In accessing the BBC’s web pages, you agree that you may only download the content for your own personal non-commercial use.
Except where expressly stated otherwise, you are not permitted to copy, broadcast, download, store (in any medium), transmit, show or play in public, adapt or change in any way the content of these BBC web pages for any other purpose whatsoever without the prior written permission of the BBC… "

If you’d like me to, I can test the copyright laws to their fullest extent across the entire volume of this forum.

ffs get off your high horse. you’ve just got the hump cos there is a thread complaining your photo’s in the magazine are crap. you tried something new and it has’nt worked so get over it. if you going to complain about copyright you can try every forum in this country if not the world, that should keep you busy for an hour or 2 :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Did you expect me to just sit here and take it? Don’t think so.

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If you can’t be bothered to read all of it, article no.6 is the bit for you: "You may make a single print copy of any of the Materials carried by AP on this Web site for personal, non-commercial use only, provide that you do not remove nor cause to be removed any copyright, trademarks, or other proprietary notices or visual marks or logos from the Material… " This image use is clearly not under the heading of personal or non-commercial.

But if he just LINKED it, he did not made any copy of it, not to mention printing, so don’t be silly. It’s still on its original adress and everybody who’s interested can go for original link and check who’s the author…

FOTO:
Last but not least, I’d like to end by saying that the day T&D’s editorial policy is dictated to by a handful of people on an internet forum, will be the day I leave. We’ve got tens of thousands of readers on the magazine, but trawling back through comments on here it always seems to be the same half a dozen empty vessels who think they’ve got the right to tell us how the magazine should be produced. “Those things simply do not work for me…” is one thing. That sort of stuff, the editorial team could act on and change course.

Yes, I said that, and just to clafify what I meant, ever since I was a child, magazines have sometimes given away spectacles with a red lens and a blue lens to look at photographs which have been shot from two angles, the idea being that this makes the photograph appear three-dimensional.

Quite simply, it doesn’t make the photograph appear three-dimensional to me. It may do to others, but not to me.

Had a flick through T&D at WHSmith earlier;The 3d thing was a brave attempt at something different but I find it as pointless as those magic eye things of the mid 90s. I put it back on the shelf, which is what I did with CVC last week, also Heritage Commercials, and Trucking. Point is, with the way things are financially, people are going to be more discerning what they spend their money on and over the last few months I’ve saved myself a few quid by only buying the mags if they feature something that interests me. (Not another Scania 530 with a driver who spends his spare time wasting money on something that, at the end of the day, is just a tool for the job)

FOTO:
One thing we all need to get straight: There’s only a handful of people in charge of what goes on at T&D: Principally we’re talking about Will Shiers (editor) and Chris Turner (deputy editor), followed by designer Steve Gale. Together with publisher Andy Salter, it is they who have the final say on what does or doesn’t go in the magazine, the format, the style, etc., not anyone from this website.

Anyway, to answer a few of your questions:-

The ideas above are all good ones. I’ve toiled with them myself. Trouble is, it’s not as simple as it sounds…

Re Afghanistan:

Over a year ago now, I had the offer to accompany Ghurka troops out in Afghanistan. Please remember this isn’t a trip to the seaside. My life would have been in danger from the second I flew into Afghan airspace, to the second I left. An RSM in Salisbury (who’d just returned) told me mortar rounds regularly land in the camp fired by insurgents from surrounding hillsides. I would go out with the convoys, where the risk (according to the British Army) was even greater. Despite all of this, I was determined to go. I thought it would be a photographic chance of a lifetime, and so put that before everything else. Three months down the line we (I say we, I really mean others) were embroiled in a series of endless meetings conducted at a level well beyond my pay grade. Personally, I didn’t understand why I couldn’t just get on a C130 and go. In the end I pulled the plug myself.

Re Volvo:

I had the same idea two years ago. I thought I’d start at the foundry where they cast the block and work my way through to the bit where they drive the truck off the line and along a short section of test track. I contacted Volvo’s PR people both here and in Sweden but the whole thing sort of fizzled out. Sometimes it’s just the way it goes. Spreading the article over several issues would be, in my opinion, a bit of a non-starter. It would switch people off in a “here we go again” sort of way.

Re US Truck Shows:

The problem with this one is not the cost of the flight or the hotels, it’s the time spent away from my office and studio (which is the reason I don’t do LDDs anymore). If I sent someone from this forum away in a truck for four days and told them I’d only be paying them for a day, would they go? I doubt it.

Re 3D issue (to answer some of the other questions above):

I can’t speak for Rikki, but I certainly don’t “sit in the pub all day” as someone on here suggested above. If you read my blog (tomcunninghamphoto.blogspot.com) you’ll probably get a clearer idea of why we embarked on a 3D issue. We genuinely thought it would be fun. In three and a half short weeks from now we’ll know the answer.

Re T&D (on the whole):

At present, I am the guy wholly responsible for the magazine’s Editor’s Choice, plus a few of the other features on a random basis. I have worked on T&D for over three years now, but before that spent 10 happy years on Trucking. Having supplied large amounts of material to both, they (admittedly) do have a huge crossover in terms of reader demographics, but there’s also a large separation between them at the same time. What works for one, wouldn’t always work for the other. Having two magazines in the same market supplying the exact same thing is the stuff of bankruptcy courts.

Unlike Rikki, I don’t have a salary, and unlike you lot, I don’t get a wage from driving a truck. I make my living solely from manufacturers’ photographic requirements and/or magazines. If a day comes when I’m not doing much, I’m running at a loss. I have full public indemnity insurance to the tune of £5m, full business car insurance, fully licensed software on the latest high-end Mac, and yesterday morning I coughed up £22K for three new Nikon cameras, six lenses and three flashguns. The average lifespan for my camera and computer gear is 24 months. I’ve got three telephone lines (so we can FTP files on separate lines), and a whole host of other fixed costs clients don’t know about (or want to know about). I’m not trying to be flash or clever here, I’m just trying to explain the difference between someone who does this for a living and someone who doesn’t.

Years ago I used to take the view that the readers came first, and would suffer long periods away from home for very little money. That was over ten years ago when the photography business was still relatively small and the overheads low. You only have to read some of the comments on this forum to see my stance on putting the readers first was, let’s be honest, a little stupid. Most of them don’t really give a monkey’s what I do, how I do it or how I make money.

I know it all sounds very simple, this magazine lark, but in reality many of the ideas the people on here come up with we’ve already thought of - many times over. We’re far from stupid guys. We look at a whole host of things; some work, some don’t. There is always a reason why they do or don’t see the light of day.

The main problem with T&D is the audience. We know who they are, we know what age they are, and it’s a bit worrying. For someone like me it’s a bit of a tightrope act of attracting new, younger readers without alienating the old guard: I realise the vast majority of T&D’s readers are 40 to retirement age males, but they are (to a large extent) the converted. They were brought up in the industry and probably sat in the passenger seat of their father’s lorry as children. That doesn’t happen in 2010 - for a multitude of reasons. We know twenty year olds are not even in the slightest bit interested in hearing stories about driving up Shap smoking a Woodbine and stopping at the top for lashings of jam roly poly; most of them wouldn’t know a suet-based pudding if it hit them on the head. This is where the conflict starts. Trust me, I’ve thought about it until my head hurts.

Last but not least, I’d like to end by saying that the day T&D’s editorial policy is dictated to by a handful of people on an internet forum, will be the day I leave. We’ve got tens of thousands of readers on the magazine, but trawling back through comments on here it always seems to be the same half a dozen empty vessels who think they’ve got the right to tell us how the magazine should be produced. “Those things simply do not work for me…” is one thing. That sort of stuff, the editorial team could act on and change course. However… “T&D should be scrapped. Awful magazine.” and “i dont buy it these days due to this fact, if i ever see a copy lying around i will take it with me just in case i dont have any toilet paper as this is all it is fit for these days wiping your [zb] with…” is quite another matter.

As I said to Lucy last night, "the noisy cog always get the grease - and you’ve got a lot of very noisy cogs… " I work bloody hard to produce the content I do, and I find it grossly insulting when faced with the comments above. I know the rough financial mechanics of this website; I think you are all very lucky people - I can’t think of many companies who would prop up a website which so openly, and so personally attacks the business, its products and the people who either directly or indirectly work for them.

But hey, if we’re all open to speaking our mind’s here, let me give you my little pearl of wisdom: If I were the person in charge of the ■■■■■ strings at rt.com, I would server the lifeline to this forum tomorrow. Instead, the money RBI spends could easily be invested in a proper T&D website with interactive areas, downloadable Editor’s Choice screensavers, up to date news, health topics, weather forecasts, minute-by-minute live traffic info, etc., etc. I wouldn’t care less if thousands of people were wiped off the company’s page impression data figures. At the very least I could go to work on Monday morning safe in the knowledge I wasn’t funding a misinformed, ill thought out personal attack on myself, my staff or my publication’s contributors.

Anyway after all that I still reckon that it would be a good idea to see one of those scandinavian drawbars at work for the benefit of all those in the government,the designer/s of that proposed zb longer semi trailer idea,and drivers who think that a zb yank B train would be better. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

A REQUEST: Would any future posters not quote tomorrows sermon- scrolling past it’s making my eyes ache! :smiley:

FOTO:
One thing we all need to get straight: There’s only a handful of people in charge of what goes on at T&D: Principally we’re talking about Will Shiers (editor) and Chris Turner (deputy editor), followed by designer Steve Gale. Together with publisher Andy Salter, it is they who have the final say on what does or doesn’t go in the magazine, the format, the style, etc., not anyone from this website.

Anyway, to answer a few of your questions:-

The ideas above are all good ones. I’ve toiled with them myself. Trouble is, it’s not as simple as it sounds…

Re Afghanistan:

Over a year ago now, I had the offer to accompany Ghurka troops out in Afghanistan. Please remember this isn’t a trip to the seaside. My life would have been in danger from the second I flew into Afghan airspace, to the second I left. An RSM in Salisbury (who’d just returned) told me mortar rounds regularly land in the camp fired by insurgents from surrounding hillsides. I would go out with the convoys, where the risk (according to the British Army) was even greater. Despite all of this, I was determined to go. I thought it would be a photographic chance of a lifetime, and so put that before everything else. Three months down the line we (I say we, I really mean others) were embroiled in a series of endless meetings conducted at a level well beyond my pay grade. Personally, I didn’t understand why I couldn’t just get on a C130 and go. In the end I pulled the plug myself.

= gave up at the first hurdle.

Re Volvo:

I had the same idea two years ago. I thought I’d start at the foundry where they cast the block and work my way through to the bit where they drive the truck off the line and along a short section of test track. I contacted Volvo’s PR people both here and in Sweden but the whole thing sort of fizzled out. Sometimes it’s just the way it goes. Spreading the article over several issues would be, in my opinion, a bit of a non-starter. It would switch people off in a “here we go again” sort of way.

= gave up at the furst hurdle.

Re US Truck Shows:

The problem with this one is not the cost of the flight or the hotels, it’s the time spent away from my office and studio (which is the reason I don’t do LDDs anymore). If I sent someone from this forum away in a truck for four days and told them I’d only be paying them for a day, would they go? I doubt it.

Re 3D issue (to answer some of the other questions above):

I can’t speak for Rikki, but I certainly don’t “sit in the pub all day” as someone on here suggested above. If you read my blog (tomcunninghamphoto.blogspot.com) you’ll probably get a clearer idea of why we embarked on a 3D issue. We genuinely thought it would be fun. In three and a half short weeks from now we’ll know the answer.

Re T&D (on the whole):

At present, I am the guy wholly responsible for the magazine’s Editor’s Choice, plus a few of the other features on a random basis. I have worked on T&D for over three years now, but before that spent 10 happy years on Trucking. Having supplied large amounts of material to both, they (admittedly) do have a huge crossover in terms of reader demographics, but there’s also a large separation between them at the same time. What works for one, wouldn’t always work for the other. Having two magazines in the same market supplying the exact same thing is the stuff of bankruptcy courts.

Unlike Rikki, I don’t have a salary, and unlike you lot, I don’t get a wage from driving a truck. I make my living solely from manufacturers’ photographic requirements and/or magazines. If a day comes when I’m not doing much, I’m running at a loss. I have full public indemnity insurance to the tune of £5m, full business car insurance, fully licensed software on the latest high-end Mac, and yesterday morning I coughed up £22K for three new Nikon cameras, six lenses and three flashguns. The average lifespan for my camera and computer gear is 24 months. I’ve got three telephone lines (so we can FTP files on separate lines), and a whole host of other fixed costs clients don’t know about (or want to know about). I’m not trying to be flash or clever here, I’m just trying to explain the difference between someone who does this for a living and someone who doesn’t.

Years ago I used to take the view that the readers came first, and would suffer long periods away from home for very little money. That was over ten years ago when the photography business was still relatively small and the overheads low. You only have to read some of the comments on this forum to see my stance on putting the readers first was, let’s be honest, a little stupid. Most of them don’t really give a monkey’s what I do, how I do it or how I make money.

I know it all sounds very simple, this magazine lark, but in reality many of the ideas the people on here come up with we’ve already thought of - many times over. We’re far from stupid guys. We look at a whole host of things; some work, some don’t. There is always a reason why they do or don’t see the light of day.

The main problem with T&D is the audience. We know who they are, we know what age they are, and it’s a bit worrying. For someone like me it’s a bit of a tightrope act of attracting new, younger readers without alienating the old guard: I realise the vast majority of T&D’s readers are 40 to retirement age males, but they are (to a large extent) the converted. They were brought up in the industry and probably sat in the passenger seat of their father’s lorry as children. That doesn’t happen in 2010 - for a multitude of reasons. We know twenty year olds are not even in the slightest bit interested in hearing stories about driving up Shap smoking a Woodbine and stopping at the top for lashings of jam roly poly; most of them wouldn’t know a suet-based pudding if it hit them on the head. This is where the conflict starts. Trust me, I’ve thought about it until my head hurts.

Last but not least, I’d like to end by saying that the day T&D’s editorial policy is dictated to by a handful of people on an internet forum, will be the day I leave. We’ve got tens of thousands of readers on the magazine, but trawling back through comments on here it always seems to be the same half a dozen empty vessels who think they’ve got the right to tell us how the magazine should be produced. “Those things simply do not work for me…” is one thing. That sort of stuff, the editorial team could act on and change course. However… “T&D should be scrapped. Awful magazine.” and “i dont buy it these days due to this fact, if i ever see a copy lying around i will take it with me just in case i dont have any toilet paper as this is all it is fit for these days wiping your [zb] with…” is quite another matter.

As I said to Lucy last night, "the noisy cog always get the grease - and you’ve got a lot of very noisy cogs… " I work bloody hard to produce the content I do, and I find it grossly insulting when faced with the comments above. I know the rough financial mechanics of this website; I think you are all very lucky people - I can’t think of many companies who would prop up a website which so openly, and so personally attacks the business, its products and the people who either directly or indirectly work for them.

But hey, if we’re all open to speaking our mind’s here, let me give you my little pearl of wisdom: If I were the person in charge of the ■■■■■ strings at rt.com, I would server the lifeline to this forum tomorrow. Instead, the money RBI spends could easily be invested in a proper T&D website with interactive areas, downloadable Editor’s Choice screensavers, up to date news, health topics, weather forecasts, minute-by-minute live traffic info, etc., etc. I wouldn’t care less if thousands of people were wiped off the company’s page impression data figures. At the very least I could go to work on Monday morning safe in the knowledge I wasn’t funding a misinformed, ill thought out personal attack on myself, my staff or my publication’s contributors.

Right, so basically you want to see a dictatorship where everyone has to sing your praises 24/7 otherwise they will be banned. Nice… Thank [zb] you’re just a lowly reporter and not someone with any say on what actually goes on. :unamused: If you can’t take constructive criticism - which is what the bulk of the comments in this thread are - then get the hell out and let someone else have a go. Furthermore, if you are as good at your job as you claim then why are you even sticking around with T&D when they refuse to pay a sensible amount for your time/content (re your comment on the US truck shows)? Any normal person would have told them to sling their hook and find someone else but yet instead you prefer to defend them and blame all the problems on the everyone else. WTF.

Well that’s us told then, the bloke who is in charge of Editors Choice and other random stuff can cross me off his list of customers.

tomcunninghamphoto.blogspot.com/

I left primary school over 40 years ago and that was probably the last time I was spoken down to in that manner.

The only bit I can agree with is that RBI should sever links with this forum too. When I originally joined it was frequented by people with similar interests. Many of whom do not post here any longer.

FOTO has done a great job of promoting T&D there, must rush out and get a copy until i get a subscription sorted. :unamused:

Wheel Nut:
Well that’s us told then, the bloke who is in charge of Editors Choice and other random stuff can cross me off his list of customers.

tomcunninghamphoto.blogspot.com/

I left primary school over 40 years ago and that was probably the last time I was spoken down to in that manner.

The only bit I can agree with is that RBI should sever links with this forum too. When I originally joined it was frequented by people with similar interests. Many of whom do not post here any longer.

Agreed. But equally you can’t blame Rikki for doing what he did to secure an income. I’d have probably done the same if I’d been in his position.

Rob K:

Wheel Nut:
Well that’s us told then, the bloke who is in charge of Editors Choice and other random stuff can cross me off his list of customers.

tomcunninghamphoto.blogspot.com/

I left primary school over 40 years ago and that was probably the last time I was spoken down to in that manner.

The only bit I can agree with is that RBI should sever links with this forum too. When I originally joined it was frequented by people with similar interests. Many of whom do not post here any longer.

Agreed. But equally you can’t blame Rikki for doing what he did to secure an income. I’d have probably done the same if I’d been in his position.

I suppose so, maybe Stobards will sponsor this forum to keep him in beer money :laughing:

The only bit I can agree with is that RBI should sever links with this forum too. When I originally joined it was frequented by people with similar interests. Many of whom do not post here any longer.

my thoughts exactly malc.
if the oldtimer forum were a standalone site/forum id never visit trucknet,ive not looked in here for a while cuz its full of rubbish topics but as rbi have a relationship with this forum i thought id put my buyer feedback on here instead of a letter in the post.i bought the mag out of curiosity and it wernt for me,so i thought id aire my veiws and see if anyone else thought the same as me.but it seems that you can buy T&D just dont criticize it if ya dont like it cuz altho the mag is for drivers, drivers arent allowed to have a say on what theyd like to see in the mag and what they dont

Constructive criticism is one thing, and in this thread there is some of that, there is also non-constructive comments, I dont know any other company that allows the sort of crap that has been thrown about in this thread on their forums.

I an starting to think Foto has a point, and maybe RBI should simply pull the plug on these forums and start with a interactive website like he decribed.

But that would be unfair on the massive majority of users of this forum, who like the massive majority of T&D readers actually dont take every opportunity to complain. and continue to use the website. read the magazines quite happily.

If anyone thinks they can do it so much better then I fail to understand why they dont simply go ahead and do it… If their product is going to be so far superior to what is currently produced they would be onto a sure fire money winner :unamused:

I do know this, that if RBI did decide enough is enough… then that would be it. TruckNet UK and many years of content would simply dissappear.

does anybody in the organisation not throw the toys out of the pram ?

Rikki-UK:
Constructive criticism is one thing, and in this thread there is some of that, there is also non-constructive comments, I dont know any other company that allows the sort of crap that has been thrown about in this thread on their forums.

Crap, or simple disagreement on the quality of content? It seems to be only the FOTO kid and yourself that think the content is any good. Not one person in this thread has had anything good to say about it, and this has been the trend for the past god knows how long every time this topic comes up. You can post your links to sites claiming it’s the best selling mag in the entire world until the cows come home, but that doesn’t mean the content is any good, particularly when it’s a choice between T&D or no mag at all. :unamused:

I an starting to think Foto has a point, and maybe RBI should simply pull the plug on these forums and start with a interactive website like he decribed.

Do it then. I seem to recall a similar thing was tried in the past and it fell flat on its face within a few months. The fact that the OP thinks that the drivers want “downloadable Editor’s Choice photos, health topics and weather forecasts” just further illustrates how out of touch they are with the real world. :unamused: This site did not get to the size it has through any of that BS. Furthermore, if you think that this site can be bad for arguments and bickering sometimes, it’ll be nothing in comparison to what it’d be like if it were managed by RBI. The authoritarian moderation coupled with the inevitable overkill of ads and the total ban on saying anything negative about RBI products/services would see arguments and bitterness on a scale never seen before.

But that would be unfair on the massive majority of users of this forum, who like the massive majority of T&D readers actually dont take every opportunity to complain. and continue to use the website. read the magazines quite happily.

So you’ve polled all the readers of T&D and have figures to back the “vast majority” are “quite happy” with the content? Where can I view these figures please?

If anyone thinks they can do it so much better then I fail to understand why they dont simply go ahead and do it… If their product is going to be so far superior to what is currently produced they would be onto a sure fire money winner :unamused:

No, and that is the point. Magazines are so 80s and have long since been superceded by the internet where you can easily find all the same content for free. If you can’t produce good, unqiue, up-to-date content for a reasonable price then there is no point trying to do so, and this is problem with ALL magazines today. By the time they are published the content is at least a month out of date and in some cases no longer relevant. Magazine sales have been declining since the .com boom because the internet does exactly the same job with 2 very important differences : 1. it’s free, 2. it’s up-to-date. Personally, I reckon if T&D didn’t have the support of the giant RBI behind it, it would’ve been scrapped years ago.

I do know this, that if RBI did decide enough is enough… then that would be it. TruckNet UK and many years of content would simply dissappear.

Is that a threat if we don’t keep quiet?

Rob K:
Is that a threat if we don’t keep quiet?

Don’t think so. If that would not be a profiatble for them (either straight on, or in some indirect way) they would scrap it long ago.

They can’t do it, as even if sometimes we are not writing exactly what they would like us to, it’s we (forum users) who create this “many years of content”. Or rather I should tell they can do it, but the form of the forum we have now is the best, any more limitations and the people will just go away. And the power of this forum is the content, and this is we (forum users) who make it.

No matter how high they think about themselves, they can do magazine being out of touch with their readers, but they can’t do forum themselves.

Rob K:

Rikki-UK:
Constructive criticism is one thing, and in this thread there is some of that, there is also non-constructive comments, I dont know any other company that allows the sort of crap that has been thrown about in this thread on their forums.

Crap, or simple disagreement on the quality of content? It seems to be only the FOTO kid and yourself that think the content is any good. Not one person in this thread has had anything good to say about it, and this has been the trend for the past god knows how long every time this topic comes up. You can post your links to sites claiming it’s the best selling mag in the entire world until the cows come home, but that doesn’t mean the content is any good, particularly when it’s a choice between T&D or no mag at all. :unamused:

I an starting to think Foto has a point, and maybe RBI should simply pull the plug on these forums and start with a interactive website like he decribed.

Do it then. I seem to recall a similar thing was tried in the past and it fell flat on its face within a few months. The fact that the OP thinks that the drivers want “downloadable Editor’s Choice photos, health topics and weather forecasts” just further illustrates how out of touch they are with the real world. :unamused: This site did not get to the size it has through any of that BS. Furthermore, if you think that this site can be bad for arguments and bickering sometimes, it’ll be nothing in comparison to what it’d be like if it were managed by RBI. The authoritarian moderation coupled with the inevitable overkill of ads and the total ban on saying anything negative about RBI products/services would see arguments and bitterness on a scale never seen before.

But that would be unfair on the massive majority of users of this forum, who like the massive majority of T&D readers actually dont take every opportunity to complain. and continue to use the website. read the magazines quite happily.

So you’ve polled all the readers of T&D and have figures to back the “vast majority” are “quite happy” with the content? Where can I view these figures please?

If anyone thinks they can do it so much better then I fail to understand why they dont simply go ahead and do it… If their product is going to be so far superior to what is currently produced they would be onto a sure fire money winner :unamused:

No, and that is the point. Magazines are so 80s and have long since been superceded by the internet where you can easily find all the same content for free. If you can’t produce good, unqiue, up-to-date content for a reasonable price then there is no point trying to do so, and this is problem with ALL magazines today. By the time they are published the content is at least a month out of date and in some cases no longer relevant. Magazine sales have been declining since the .com boom because the internet does exactly the same job with 2 very important differences : 1. it’s free, 2. it’s up-to-date. Personally, I reckon if T&D didn’t have the support of the giant RBI behind it, it would’ve been scrapped years ago.

I do know this, that if RBI did decide enough is enough… then that would be it. TruckNet UK and many years of content would simply dissappear.

Is that a threat if we don’t keep quiet?

Go Rob :laughing: :laughing:

You wil soon be on pre-Mod

johnno:
Go Rob :laughing: :laughing:

You wil soon be on pre-Mod

Can’t see any reason why I should as I haven’t broken any rules. Forums are discussing things, sharing thoughts and opinions - that is what I am doing. I don’t see any rule that says I most only post stuff that agrees with x, y or z, although that seems like the way it could be heading… :unamused:

By drivers for drivers :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: