i brought this old chestnut up 4 years ago, glad it`s bemusing more than me 
i was driving this
then when onto this with no training!
but i cant drive an artic 
Hang on a minute, I took my C+E test in a wag & dragâŚ
How does that work then? And these are the people in charge
Find me a wall thereâs some head banging needs doing!
Churchill:
i was driving this
then when onto this with no training!
but i cant drive an artic
You got âon the jobâ training. 
i did when it came to reversing the sod.
took my hgv3 in a 12 tonne gross ford d series with a 5 speed box and an 18â flat body now i can drive the biggest drawbar outfit going but not an urban artic 
gnasty gnome:
Quite simple. One whoâs never driven a truck.Artic has a trailer; wagon and drag has a trailer. Thatâs all the suits see; they then put the rules in place, and wait for the inevitable inconsistencies to crop up, of which your example is a classic.
an artic cannot pull a trailer in the uk unless you have a showmanâs licence, only a semi-trailer.
ashbyspannerman:
gnasty gnome:
Quite simple. One whoâs never driven a truck.Artic has a trailer; wagon and drag has a trailer. Thatâs all the suits see; they then put the rules in place, and wait for the inevitable inconsistencies to crop up, of which your example is a classic.
an artic cannot pull a trailer in the uk unless you have a showmanâs licence, only a semi-trailer.
And, as we are being pedantic itâs not âarticâ - itâs âarticulatedâ
ashbyspannerman:
gnasty gnome:
Quite simple. One whoâs never driven a truck.Artic has a trailer; wagon and drag has a trailer. Thatâs all the suits see; they then put the rules in place, and wait for the inevitable inconsistencies to crop up, of which your example is a classic.
an artic cannot pull a trailer in the uk unless you have a showmanâs licence, only a semi-trailer.
What is a showmans licence?
Is that like a skilled burners licence?
ROG:
ashbyspannerman:
gnasty gnome:
Quite simple. One whoâs never driven a truck.Artic has a trailer; wagon and drag has a trailer. Thatâs all the suits see; they then put the rules in place, and wait for the inevitable inconsistencies to crop up, of which your example is a classic.
an artic cannot pull a trailer in the uk unless you have a showmanâs licence, only a semi-trailer.
And, as we are being pedantic itâs not âarticâ - itâs âarticulatedâ
And if we want to be obsessively pedantic, âarticâ is an abreviation of articulated, whereas a semi-trailer and a trailer are two very different things! 
Churchill:
i did when it came to reversing the sod.
Iâm with you all the way on that one, I drove one for 18 months. Still remember the technique, start the front axle turning then chase it round with the rigid. Got quite good at it in the end but I bet I couldnât do it now! 
Speck:
Churchill:
i did when it came to reversing the sod.Iâm with you all the way on that one, I drove one for 18 months. Still remember the technique, start the front axle turning then chase it round with the rigid. Got quite good at it in the end but I bet I couldnât do it now!
And iâll bet on the fact that within 30 mins you could - itâs like not riding a bicycle for a few years - bit wobbly to start with but it soons comes back 
Maybe, I could back it in anywhere, as long as I had about 40 acres to manouvre the bloody thing!
I would like to have another go, although I say it myself. I did get quite confident with one and used to swap the boxes without uncoupling then pop it on the bay at Howden.
BUT. that was about 30 years ago
ashbyspannerman:
gnasty gnome:
Quite simple. One whoâs never driven a truck.Artic has a trailer; wagon and drag has a trailer. Thatâs all the suits see; they then put the rules in place, and wait for the inevitable inconsistencies to crop up, of which your example is a classic.
an artic cannot pull a trailer in the uk unless you have a showmanâs licence, only a semi-trailer.
so does that mean i was illegal pulling A frame trailers factory to warehouse on a pin with my tractor unit?
about a mile between the two on public roads.
biggusdickusgb:
so does that mean i was illegal pulling A frame trailers factory to warehouse on a pin with my tractor unit?
about a mile between the two on public roads.
No. Because, by definition, an articulated vehicle has a proportion of the load superimposed on the drawing vehicle. In the illustration given, no weight was superimposed.
Simple.
what about this scenario, a tri axle unit with hiab 12" flatbed (demount)over the fifth wheel and a 25â drawbarâŚcan i drive that with my restricted 102 license?
I canât see why not.
Iâll try and keep this brief as I dont want the wife complaining about me coming all the way to Hong Kong to sit at the PC Lol
Anyone who had a Class 3 licence before the legislation changes in the late 80âs I think it was, was given grandfather rights, their licence showed 102 which was basically permission to pull a drag.
I passed my class 3 in 1981 which restricted me to something like 17 ton rigid, in the late 80âs it changed to C which then allowed me to drive up to 32 ton rigid i.e 8 wheel tippers which had previously been HGV2 and needed a different licence from HGV 3
There was talk in the 90âs that a driver with C + 102 would automatically get C+E if they could prove that they were currently driving wagon & drags, but it never came about.
When I took my C+E in 2003 I did not have to pass any theory test, I simply turned up at the test centre in wagon & drag and went out on a test, during the test the examiner chatted about things in general and it cropped up in the conversation that I had been driving wagon and drags for a number of years, he stated it was stupid that I could turn up in the wagon & drag, fail the test but still drive away.
I passed but it deed seam stupid that once I passed in the wagon & drag I could set off down the road in a fully loaded artic despite never having sat in one let alone drive one.
If you check your licence it will say C then in the restrictions column it will have 102 which means you can pull a drag.