OssieD:
Remember not that long back London transport was all electric once, trolley buses, but for some unexplained reason suddenly got rid of, I wonder why??
Could it be the huge coal-fired power station that provided the power for them?
wondering why governments forgetting about green LPG gas as alternative to petrol and diesel…ahh wait…low tax on LPG…here we go!
(was using LPG in my 5.4 V8 american truck with less exhaust emisions than fiesta for years!)
LL79:
wondering why governments forgetting about green LPG gas as alternative to petrol and diesel…ahh wait…low tax on LPG…here we go!
(was using LPG in my 5.4 V8 american truck with less exhaust emisions than fiesta for years!)
Seems to have gone out of fashion, I can’t see why, it was all the rage a few years ago. In my family at one time we had a Range Rover, a Jag XJR and a Peugeot estate on LPG, they’d all do the same MPG as on petrol but at half the price, and they were all getting on a bit but would fly through the MOT with nigh zero emissions, what’s not to like? There’s still plenty of oil about, it must be a viable alternative to trying to produce enough electricity to power all these vehicles we’re getting soon?
What’s needed is Dr Emmet Brown and his flux capacitor, the money and time saved would be amazing and the lentil bashers would be happy too, recycling and no more roads 
How long before the first solar panel covered trailer roof appears ■■
LL79:
wondering why governments forgetting about green LPG gas as alternative to petrol and diesel…ahh wait…low tax on LPG…here we go!
(was using LPG in my 5.4 V8 american truck with less exhaust emisions than fiesta for years!)
Whatever type of fuel they go for the certainty of the establishment maintaining the tax income in a way which least affects the highest earners in the form of road fuel tax and VAT won’t go away.
But there’s not a lot stopping truck manufacturers just changing their current diesels to spark ignition opening up the full range of alternative fuel options including Hydrogen to the industry.While what we’re seeing is just a scam in which the Electricity generators and EV and EV component manufacturers see a mutual advantage in creating a captive market for their flawed option.Which at worse means a Chernobyl or Fukushima scenario coming to place near us sooner or later.
Whats the big deal about electric trucks? So long as we are paid the same to drive them, I quite happy to drive whatever. The refuelling & range issue isn’t my problem to solve.
Fossil fuels are going to be near enough fazed out at some point in most of our lifetimes, especially now more people are starting to switch on and accept the climate problem. So we may as well just get on with accepting change.
rob22888:
Whats the big deal about electric trucks? So long as we are paid the same to drive them, I quite happy to drive whatever. The refuelling & range issue isn’t my problem to solve.Fossil fuels are going to be near enough fazed out at some point in most of our lifetimes, especially now more people are starting to switch on and accept the climate problem. So we may as well just get on with accepting change.
Many drivers won’t be ‘driving them’ at all because their range,payload and operating costs will knock out a large sector of the present road transport industry.
As for climate it’s 14 degrees max in the South and single figures in the North three weeks from June.How much bleedin colder do you want it to get.It will be so much better to turn the country into a radioactive wasteland trying.
Although it will be a laugh to see how the civil aviation industry manages if/when they are given the choice of closing down or having to pay for a whole barrel of oil just for their bit of the distillation/refining process and the rest is chucked down the drain.
Grumpy Dad:
How long before the first solar panel covered trailer roof appears ■■
I can’t be the only one who has noticed solar panels on fridge double decker s on the front sloping down part? Seems that Reeds have some. Dunno what exactly they power though, perhaps batteries to raise and lower the deck?
the maoster:
Grumpy Dad:
How long before the first solar panel covered trailer roof appears ■■I can’t be the only one who has noticed solar panels on fridge double decker s on the front sloping down part? Seems that Reeds have some. Dunno what exactly they power though, perhaps batteries to raise and lower the deck?
I’ve seen a few fridges in Spain and Italy that have a solar panel on the roof, but always assumed it was to power the drivers fridge in the pallet carrier or something.
albion1938:
OssieD:
Remember not that long back London transport was all electric once, trolley buses, but for some unexplained reason suddenly got rid of, I wonder why??Could it be the huge coal-fired power station that provided the power for them?
Coal use for generating electricity is very small these days.
The National grid is getting cleaner year on year month on month, this is a typical weeks generation (8th-14th March 2019)
35.6% of our electricity was provided by wind, compared to 31.2% by gas, 21.3% by nuclear, 6.7% by biomass, 2.6% by coal, 1.8% by hydro and 0.8% from other sources, between Friday 8th and Thursday 14th March, according to data supplied by independent analysts Aurora Energy Research. Offshore wind alone generated 21.4% of our electricity last week - more than nuclear.
stuwozere1:
I can see a few problems with electric trucks, firstly you’ll have to reduce the payload to cater for the batteries weight. Secondly you’d need a lot of batteries to get the same range that you currently get out of a tank of diesel.
Also when you’re fully laden I can imagine the battery charge level dropping like a stone. Was told a while back that at 80,000miles a Prius requires a new set of batteries…total cost inc labour… £2300.
So I’m wondering what will be the working life of these new trucks?Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk
the comparison between diesel and batteries is possibly more stright forward than you may think. One Litre of diesel gives about 10kwh of energy. One kilogram of Lithiun-Ion batteries can hold about 0.17kwh of energy.
So basically for every litre of fuel you would need 60kg of batteries to do the same job.
If your days run uses up 200 litres of fuel then to do the same job in an electric powered truck you would need 12 ton of batteries.
So until the next generation of batteries are invented, electric powered trucks will not be doing anything more than local deliveries.
lancpudn:
Offshore wind alone generated 21.4% of our electricity last week - more than nuclear.
Great then we can use all that increasing cheap safe electric generation to produce hydrogen from water which can then be burn’t in conventional internal combustion engines.No need for heavy expensive batteries with nowhere near enough storage capacity.
lancpudn:
albion1938:
OssieD:
Remember not that long back London transport was all electric once, trolley buses, but for some unexplained reason suddenly got rid of, I wonder why??Could it be the huge coal-fired power station that provided the power for them?
Coal use for generating electricity is very small these days.
The National grid is getting cleaner year on year month on month, this is a typical weeks generation (8th-14th March 2019)
35.6% of our electricity was provided by wind, compared to 31.2% by gas, 21.3% by nuclear, 6.7% by biomass, 2.6% by coal, 1.8% by hydro and 0.8% from other sources, between Friday 8th and Thursday 14th March, according to data supplied by independent analysts Aurora Energy Research. Offshore wind alone generated 21.4% of our electricity last week - more than nuclear.
Those figures may be true of UK electricity Production but maybe not electricity Use?
Top of my head we import 15% of our electricity? That’ll be French, nuclear produced.
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lancpudn:
albion1938:
OssieD:
Remember not that long back London transport was all electric once, trolley buses, but for some unexplained reason suddenly got rid of, I wonder why??Could it be the huge coal-fired power station that provided the power for them?
Coal use for generating electricity is very small these days.
The National grid is getting cleaner year on year month on month, this is a typical weeks generation (8th-14th March 2019)
35.6% of our electricity was provided by wind, compared to 31.2% by gas, 21.3% by nuclear, 6.7% by biomass, 2.6% by coal, 1.8% by hydro and 0.8% from other sources, between Friday 8th and Thursday 14th March, according to data supplied by independent analysts Aurora Energy Research. Offshore wind alone generated 21.4% of our electricity last week - more than nuclear.
I think it was on the news the other night, the uk, had its first week ever producing electricity without coal fired power stations.
Granted we do have moments when wind produces more power than nuclear, but that is rare and never guaranteed. Real time data is available, take a look at this link to see what is happening now.
ukenergywatch.org/
Wind 2%, Gas 68%, Nuclear 21% (others inc France 9%)
We are missing out with the greatest source of generation by not going down the Nuclear route, if it wasn’t for the stupidly over exaggerated safety concerns we would be a long way towards sorting out climate change problems.
Bluey Circles:
We are missing out with the greatest source of generation by not going down the Nuclear route, if it wasn’t for the stupidly over exaggerated safety concerns we would be a long way towards sorting out climate change problems.
Which confirms the total insanity of the global warmist believer nutters.Small over populated Island needing all the agricultural production it can get with no where to run to in the event of the inevitable disaster sooner or later.What could possibly go wrong. 
Although look on the bright side the so called ‘environmentalists’ will inevitably have to face up to those realities and then split.Along the lines of the safety benefits,if not just affordability,of continuing with fossil fuel v expensive dangerous nuclear at some point.Bearing in mind that we all know that ‘renewables’ is just a bs red herring being used as a diversion by the pro nuclear lobby which is what this is really all about.IE creating a captive market for the nuclear power generation industry and its certifiable supporters.