TiredAndEmotional:
So if I could have prevented this tragedy by grassing this driver up beforehand I’d be an [zb] according to some here?
Has anyone considered this guy may have already been incompetent to drive an HGV without the aid of his mobile? The mobile phone may just be a contributing factor.
I know of a driver who can boil a kettle and make a brew whilst ‘on the move’ and ‘competently’ navigate his artic, he has done this daily for over 25 years without incident.
Honestscott76:
TiredAndEmotional:
So if I could have prevented this tragedy by grassing this driver up beforehand I’d be an [zb] according to some here?Has anyone considered this guy may have already been incompetent to drive an HGV without the aid of his mobile? The mobile phone may just be a contributing factor.
I know of a driver who can boil a kettle and make a brew whilst ‘on the move’ and ‘competently’ navigate his artic, he has done this daily for over 25 years without incident.
Doing things, even repeatedly, does not make them necessarily “safe”. Ever seen “The Deer Hunter”?
All activities have some element of risk attached to them. Even staying safe n sound at home in bed increases the chances of obesity, under exercise and an early death. Running or jogging may mean you`re more likely to get knocked down or mugged, but that will be offset by a healthier life style and a stronger heart.
Brewing a cuppa while driving increases the chances of being distracted, or spilling hot water etc, so increases the chances of an accident. It is offset by said driver saving the couple of minutes required to stop and brew up at a standstill, or the expense of buying a vacuum flask.
Franglais:
Honestscott76:
TiredAndEmotional:
So if I could have prevented this tragedy by grassing this driver up beforehand I’d be an [zb] according to some here?Has anyone considered this guy may have already been incompetent to drive an HGV without the aid of his mobile? The mobile phone may just be a contributing factor.
I know of a driver who can boil a kettle and make a brew whilst ‘on the move’ and ‘competently’ navigate his artic, he has done this daily for over 25 years without incident.
Doing things, even repeatedly, does not make them necessarily “safe”. Ever seen “The Deer Hunter”?
All activities have some element of risk attached to them. Even staying safensound at home in bed increases the chances of obesity, under exercise and an early death. Running or jogging may mean you`re more likely to get knocked down or mugged, but that will be offset by a healthier life style and a stronger heart.
Brewing a cuppa while driving increases the chances of being distracted, or spilling hot water etc, so increases the chances of an accident. It is offset by said driver saving the couple of minutes required to stop and brew up at a standstill, or the expense of buying a vacuum flask.
Can I ask, what does a £200 fine and 6 points do in regards ‘risk’?
Honestscott76:
Franglais:
Honestscott76:
TiredAndEmotional:
So if I could have prevented this tragedy by grassing this driver up beforehand I’d be an [zb] according to some here?Has anyone considered this guy may have already been incompetent to drive an HGV without the aid of his mobile? The mobile phone may just be a contributing factor.
I know of a driver who can boil a kettle and make a brew whilst ‘on the move’ and ‘competently’ navigate his artic, he has done this daily for over 25 years without incident.
Doing things, even repeatedly, does not make them necessarily “safe”. Ever seen “The Deer Hunter”?
All activities have some element of risk attached to them. Even staying safensound at home in bed increases the chances of obesity, under exercise and an early death. Running or jogging may mean you`re more likely to get knocked down or mugged, but that will be offset by a healthier life style and a stronger heart.
Brewing a cuppa while driving increases the chances of being distracted, or spilling hot water etc, so increases the chances of an accident. It is offset by said driver saving the couple of minutes required to stop and brew up at a standstill, or the expense of buying a vacuum flask.Can I ask, what does a £200 fine and 6 points do in regards ‘risk’?
Almost Nothing. . . People who do risky things are convinced there actions are less risky than they are, thats why they continue to do them. So they are convinced they will do no harm AND are convinced they wont get caught, so fines etc are of small effect.
Not just a fine and points! As an hgv driver you will now be referred automatically to the TC by the police.
Captain Caveman 76:
Franglais:
Captain Caveman 76:
These are Stasi tactics, turning the population into spies “for the cause”.And if anybody tells me they have nothing to hide, I’ll tell them why they’re wrong.
How do know I
m wrong if I say Ive nowt to hide? Have you been spying on me?The simple fact is, civil rights in this country are being slowly eroded.
Remember the “snoopers charter”? Legislation that allows the authorities to monitor someone’s Internet use. Supposedly a valuable tool to prevent terrorism. How strange then that after its introduction the government then starts it’s “do it right” campaign which tracks people who download/stream films/TV illegally.
The right to remain silent, enshrined in British law to prevent someone from incriminating themselves has been removed from three instances. 1) it is illegal to not unlock an electronic device when instructed 2) it is illegal to not identify the driver (or incriminate yourself) in the case of motoring offences 3) it is illegal to not identify yourself and your address to an officer of the law if they suspect you of criminal activity.
Remember the 80 odd year old who was arrested and held using anti terror legislation for heckling Tony Blair?
The proliferation of cctv and population monitoring is used on the assumption of guilt until proven otherwise. Why else would it be used.
Now we all know the polices response to calls on so called minor offences, so why then are they spending all these resources on catching offenders whose primary punishment is a fine?
The priorities of the authorities are, in the main, not the same as the priorities of the population. Take the recent tax hike for self employed, implemented whilst big corporations legally avoid six and seven figure tax bills.
You ARE guilty of something, and if you’re not, the rules will change so you are.
For example, eating whilst driving is NOT an offence. You may however be charged with “not being in control of a vehicle”. At the officers discretion of course.
You cannot have an organisation who make the rules, enforce the rules, punish rulebreakers and benefit from catching these rulebreakers. Unless of course that organisation is VOSA.
This isn’t a tinfoil hat wearers rant, just my observation of how this country is becoming an Orwellian dystopia, and encouraging the population to act as informants is just the next step. What next? Spying on our rubbish and fining people who don’t recycle properly? Oh, hang on… dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott … le-5303230
Laws themselves are being eroded in this internet age. The law in one country that is on the internet might be completely different to the law in another country that also gets the internet.
“Watching ■■■■” carries the death penalty in Iran for instance. The same law doesn’t apply to us more liberal westerners of course.
“Downloading Copyright Material” carries a penalty in any country with armies of corporate lawyers, spearheaded by America. If you don’t live in America then, there’s not a jolly lot the authorities can do about it.
There was a scare a few months ago for the “Privacy Lobby” when it was revealed that American law firms were actively pursuing people for “industrial copyright infringement” such as PirateBay. Other “illegal” download sites have since been added to the “Watch List”. To back you up in the post above though - “Strange how we’ve not heard of a western attack on a terror outfit that wiped out an entire band of bad guys in one go” where intel had been gleaned from snooping around the internet. The Liberal Elites wish to use “Privacy Invasion” to merely generate income it seems. Same applies to the Banking system. Barclays does something, gets fined, and the British Bank ends up paying billions into the American legal system. If a “law” has been broken, then shouldn’t the “fines” go to the local law being enforced?
I don’t recognize “International Law” until we’re all on the same page. That, in turn isn’t going to happen this side of a one-world government - thus, I tend to not recognize international laws at all.
I won’t be voting for the party I’m ‘told’ to vote for, won’t be told ‘not’ to look at pages of the internet that are not illegal, and won’t be told ‘not’ to believe news I believe is true.
The text I post on the internet could be considered “seditious” in some countries, and my posting of pics off the internet has already found me being accused of “infringements” on more than one occasion.
I’ve also posted material criticizing various high-ups, and I’m already aware that I’m considered a low-level risk on the MI5 database. I guess that latter point is a bit of an insult to me, who’s been on-line for over 30 years by this point, and would expect the “Wanted: Reward $50” to be somewhat higher than that… 
Invasion of Privacy IS the internet now. Mr Berners-Lee is dismayed by it, and so am I. The only recommendation I can make to all internet users is “exercise discretion” when using the internet, and don’t take what you see and read there too seriously. Neither the British Government, nor any other establishment on Earth owns the internet. To keep that “True”, all we need do is deny the Establishments in their attempts to take it away from us. Let’s concentrate on “Keeping Jury Trials” rather than “turning over the snooper’s charter” I’m saying.
If I’m on a Jury, and the court tells me to convict this bod because he’s looked at some ■■■■/read a secret government report/found out some financial news early/exposed a politician just before an election so their polls collapse - Then Guess what? - I’m not going to be finding them “Guilty” of ANYTHING. The snooper’s charter is for the JUROR to interpret I suggest. If the toerag before the Jury is accused of looking at kiddie ■■■■, sold a government report to a foreign power, caused the pound to collapse, or murdered someone to prevent a scandal about a politician coming out - then YES - I’ll be trying them according to the evidence before me.
THAT is the entire concept of a “Fair Trial”. We MUST maintain the right to be “Tried by a Jury of our peers”.
“No free man shall be taken or imprisoned or dispossessed, or outlawed or exiled, or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him, nor will we send against him except by the lawful judgement of his peers or by the law of the land.”
Bugger EU laws. Bugger American financial skulduggery. Bugger Middle-Eastern Fatwas. I’ll stand by the good-old Magna Carta, and the sooner we get out of this “European Court of Human Rights” madhouse - the better. 
Winseer:
Bugger EU laws. Bugger American financial skulduggery. Bugger Middle-Eastern Fatwas. I’ll stand by the good-old Magna Carta, and the sooner we get out of this “European Court of Human Rights” madhouse - the better.
And…bugger UK laws also. 48t on 5 at 105kph coming your way. Road numbers and times to follow… 