'There's something wrong with you'

Winseer, I’ve no access to grind with you. My observations are based solely on what you say on here.

Now please don’t take this the wrong way, but fir yonks now you’ve been essentially laughing (indirectly via many long posts) at employed folk while earning more yourself. Now the boot is on the other foot you don’t like it?

I have every sympathy. This whole crisis is only partially played put as things stand and who knows where we’ll all land. But I’m certain that when it came to my family I’d be out there doing something, even non driving, if I was desperate. Needs must and that.

My brother in law is self employed as an excavator driver. He’s had no work. No money. But he went and started doing private jobs for less than half what he normally earns to keep a roof over his head. He adapted. You haven’t so far. Look at other options, look at ALL (except prostitution as times aren’t that hard for me to pay you, yet :stuck_out_tongue: ) but mkst importantly keep your chin up.

Anger isn’t good, Wins.

Anger comes from deep unhappiness. It’s a negative but I’m sure you know that.

Life isn’t perfect. Never will be. And neither are people.

We all have to try to figure stuff out as we go along and make the best of it.

But there will be always stuff happening around us that we simply don’t understand from time to time.

Don’t dwell, move on.

Just accept that you will be working amongst utter jerks occasionally.

You appear to have compassion, there’s nothing wrong in that - kindness is not a weakness.

dieseldave:

Socketset:
I don’t know how that happened but my reply to Winseer has found its way into the middle of his post - anyway I mention firms rooking the government and karma will fix the Roma speakeasy.

I’ve fixed that for you. :smiley:

Thanks Dave for helping out a Trucknet Numpty.

Just read his last post…after my advice to him :unamused:
I ain’t doing too good at my new venture so far, am I :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Winseer,

I’ve read every post on this topic so far, and IMHO there’s been some very good advice given to you by several members, so I’ll add a suggestion for you to consider…

This is an internet forum that has simple rules, the rule I’m referring to is the one that says that what you write publicly can be discussed/chewed over by anybody who cares to.

My suggestion is that you think carefully about exactly what you wish to put ‘out there,’ because IMHO, that’s possibly where you could be leaving yourself (w - i - d - e) open to comebacks, especially from those who have the inability to scroll.

I’d just add that (generally) it might be wise to consider avoiding certain topic areas such as politics for example, because a person doing that could turn an otherwise sane discussion into something quite eye-glazingly Carryfastesqe by dropping off-topic stuff into the mix.

:bulb: Your rep on TN (and in any workplace) is what you make for yourself, so if you don’t want to spend valuable time (in victim mode) defensively firefighting what you wrote/said after you wrote/said it… then possibly writing/saying a bit less in the first place might be a way for you to help yourself gain some relaxing spare time.

It could be said that there’s a balance to be struck between writing a verbose missive and dealing with the inevitable outcome without complaining about it. :smiley:

Socketset:

dieseldave:

Socketset:
I don’t know how that happened but my reply to Winseer has found its way into the middle of his post - anyway I mention firms rooking the government and karma will fix the Roma speakeasy.

I’ve fixed that for you. :smiley:

Thanks Dave for helping out a Trucknet Numpty.

You’re no numpty mate, you’re not the first (nor the last) to do this cos it’s very easily and unwittingly done, including by me on more than one occasion. :blush: :blush: :blush:

Winseer, Look at things like this the way that I do on here, take your eyes away from your screen and look around you, that’s real life mate. look back at your screen and real life ceases and you enter the world of fairy tails and over inflated egos. Very few on here actually know each other as friends. The majority do not have a clue who these names are other than what they see and type. You have to understand these are not your friends and most on here probably don’t have any either in real life. You are taking these strangers as normal people, some will be decent and some will be completely deranged. You don’t have to fit in here, you’re face doesn’t have to fit, popularity is overrated. I couldn’t be more popular on here but for all the wrong reasons. This or any other forum is not life. If you haven’t already got a life, spend less time on here and go get one. I belong to professional forums for refrigeration and they really are totally different to this. No idiots trying to make out they are something they wished they was. You have the brains to go onto these type of forums which may be more beneficial to your well being.

dieseldave:
Winseer,

I’ve read every post on this topic so far, and IMHO there’s been some very good advice given to you by several members, so I’ll add a suggestion for you to consider…

This is an internet forum that has simple rules, the rule I’m referring to is the one that says that what you write publicly can be discussed/chewed over by anybody who cares to.

My suggestion is that you think carefully about exactly what you wish to put ‘out there,’ because IMHO, that’s possibly where you could be leaving yourself (w - i - d - e) open to comebacks, especially from those who have the inability to scroll.

I’d just add that (generally) it might be wise to consider avoiding certain topic areas such as politics for example, because a person doing that could turn an otherwise sane discussion into something quite eye-glazingly Carryfastesqe by dropping off-topic stuff into the mix.

:bulb: Your rep on TN (and in any workplace) is what you make for yourself, so if you don’t want to spend valuable time (in victim mode) defensively firefighting what you wrote/said after you wrote/said it… then possibly writing/saying a bit less in the first place might be a way for you to help yourself gain some relaxing spare time.

It could be said that there’s a balance to be struck between writing a verbose missive and dealing with the inevitable outcome without complaining about it. :smiley:

This is a well written piece of advice to him.

Sadly I fear it will fall on deaf ears like all the other advice he has been given by several different members.

The problem is that in the last few weeks he has hijacked numerous different threads to basically keep making the same point over and over again, namely:

  • That he has been shafted by his agency
  • Should be receiving furlough payments (even though they have no obligation to claim anything for him - being a ZHC agency worker)
  • Majority of places are on the fiddle by claiming furlough payments when they shouldn’t be
  • Everything is one big conspiracy against him
  • Everyone keeps stabbing him in the back for no reason!

Some of the threads weren’t even started in relation to any of the above yet he kept popping up writing the same waffle and essays and this is what got people’s back up. Especially when he refused to listen and just kept thinking the world is against him.

He was given some constructive advice and tips but chose to ignore that, not surprisingly with his “victim” complex.

As toonsy makes the point above he didn’t help himself babbling on for so long about full-time contracts being no good (usually the any 5 from 7 rant) and agency being so much better, only to find himself in his current situation!

Winseer.

The way i see it, part of where you went wrong was by wanting only the premium shifts, and the long ones at that, i agree in a perfect world that would suit your circs and i don’t blame you for wanting that, but the job isn’t perfect by any means.

There is always some investment required in the job, you can’t just pick and choose exactly what you want…i’ll clarify that…you can if there’s a genuine shortage of qualified people and the premium shifts you desire are available and no one else able or amenable, you can’t be the choosy guy and expect to have banked any favours, nor have you made yourself in any way useful or reliable (from the customers point of view), your customer being whoever pays you at the time.

You have to sometimes do the standard bread and butter jobs, which might only be 8.75 hours (a period which has too many agency bods crying in their soup due to no job and knock and no OT rate), but those are the sorts of shifts normally available where extra bodies are required.
In the real world, the full timers get the pick of the best work they do after all work there on the books, whether that’s jobs with job and knock likelyhood or for those who want to earn some money the longer shifts, assuming they are paid overtime.

(note where i work, we’re salaried, and often they give the longer days to agency who get hourly pay and the shorter days to full timers)

By not helping out and only wanting to do the lucrative shifts you wanted…this is what i assume about how you’ve gone on, that may be completely wrong of course and i’ve got the wrong end of the stick, again…you’ve invested nothing in the goodwill box, yes it’s possible some of those ‘desperate for a driver’ shifts might not have been worth doing, say if it was 8 hours and involving some travel distance then it might be barely worth doing, but this is what i mean by investing, by failing to help them out when they needed some bugger now and again you haven’t any banked goodwill, it looks like they arn’t investing back in keeping you paid (work or furlough) possibly because of your work history if the above applies, maybe they assume you want your cake and eat it?
It probably isn’t personal against you as such, they’ve made pragmatic business decisions, just like any company will these days when (and as thousands of companies will be) deciding who to let go in the approaching lists of people being made redundant as the economy tanks and taxpayer funded extra holidays vanish.

Hope i’ve explained that well enough how i see at least part of your problem is work wise.
Of course if i’m barking up the wrong tree, or just barking, tell me to do one :wink:

Maybe the off-topic essays which are quite meandering and hard to follow just rub people up the wrong way. Most of us at least make a passing attempt at staying roughly on topic or at least acknowledge to readers if we digress on occasion. With Winseer it seems to be that he will post what he is thinking about in a topic of his choosing. In these circumstances, sympathy and understanding are maybe running a bit thin. I find Winseer’s logic difficult to follow at times and I simply don’t make the assumptions that he does in the first place much of the time. For these reasons, if I see an essay that extends longer than my monitor can display at once, I am unlikely to spend the time reading the post. For the avoidance of doubt, if any member was posting the same as Winseer, I would do exactly the same. I hold no malice for Winseer, it is just I can spend my time as I wish. If there is something that I feel is inaccurate or misleading I would post my opinion no matter the original poster and I don’t enjoy being called a “troll” like Winseer did to me the other day. However, in a different way to Winseer I laughed this off and pitied him more than anything after this comment.

Juddian:
Winseer.

The way i see it, part of where you went wrong was by wanting only the premium shifts, and the long ones at that, i agree in a perfect world that would suit your circs and i don’t blame you for wanting that, but the job isn’t perfect by any means.

There is always some investment required in the job, you can’t just pick and choose exactly what you want…i’ll clarify that…you can if there’s a genuine shortage of qualified people and the premium shifts you desire are available and no one else able or amenable, you can’t be the choosy guy and expect to have banked any favours, nor have you made yourself in any way useful or reliable (from the customers point of view), your customer being whoever pays you at the time.

You have to sometimes do the standard bread and butter jobs, which might only be 8.75 hours (a period which has too many agency bods crying in their soup due to no job and knock and no OT rate), but those are the sorts of shifts normally available where extra bodies are required.
In the real world, the full timers get the pick of the best work they do after all work there on the books, whether that’s jobs with job and knock likelyhood or for those who want to earn some money the longer shifts, assuming they are paid overtime.

(note where i work, we’re salaried, and often they give the longer days to agency who get hourly pay and the shorter days to full timers)

By not helping out and only wanting to do the lucrative shifts you wanted…this is what i assume about how you’ve gone on, that may be completely wrong of course and i’ve got the wrong end of the stick, again…you’ve invested nothing in the goodwill box, yes it’s possible some of those ‘desperate for a driver’ shifts might not have been worth doing, say if it was 8 hours and involving some travel distance then it might be barely worth doing, but this is what i mean by investing, by failing to help them out when they needed some bugger now and again you haven’t any banked goodwill, it looks like they arn’t investing back in keeping you paid (work or furlough) possibly because of your work history if the above applies, maybe they assume you want your cake and eat it?
It probably isn’t personal against you as such, they’ve made pragmatic business decisions, just like any company will these days when (and as thousands of companies will be) deciding who to let go in the approaching lists of people being made redundant as the economy tanks and taxpayer funded extra holidays vanish.

Hope i’ve explained that well enough how i see at least part of your problem is work wise.
Of course if i’m barking up the wrong tree, or just barking, tell me to do one :wink:

The lad was just trying to game the system from what I can gather over the years - who can blame him - agency work and agencies can leave a lot to be desired.

But you’re right mentioning the goodwill aspect. However he might have tried that in the past and it did him no favours which is why we are where we are today.

Socketset:

Juddian:

The lad was just trying to game the system from what I can gather over the years - who can blame him - agency work and agencies can leave a lot to be desired.

But you’re right mentioning the goodwill aspect. However he might have tried that in the past and it did him no favours which is why we are where we are today.

No, you won’t find me blaming him either, but chasing the cream and ignoring the bread and butter is all very good whilst there’s some cream going spare, but every now and again we get hit with an extraordinary event and the cream is the first thing to go sideways, we have been overdue a serious economic crash for several decades whilst increasingly inept govts kicked the can down the road and ■■■■■■ ever more borrowed fake money up the wall whilst (hoping they weren’t the ones without a chair when the music stopped) looking desperately for an excuse to call a reset whilst casting the blame elsewhere, and lo and behold along comes the perfect excuse in the current flu scam, blame China, blame any bugger, do not admit they’ve been going the wrong way for bleedin decades, we haven’t had any austerity since 2008, but we are going to get some now…wouldn’t have made any difference if the other lot had been in number 10, they are all the same, we had a chance to get rid of the status quo but people are addicted to the sodding idiot box in the corner or the rest of the MSM to tell them what to think,what to say, how to live, who to vote for, people stopped thinking for themsleves and drank the kool aid.

The most amusing thing is that the propaganda still works, it’ll be the fault of covid (fingers pointing at China) and Boris loves the NHS blessed be its name, so he and the rest of the politicos will get a free pass once more.

Those who would listen i tried to tell them to stop ■■■■■■■ their pay up the wall thinking they can live a celeb lifestyle on balancing several credit cards at any one time on a typical working persons wage, and to stop believing all the bullshine about how wonderful the economy is under the torylaboursocialdemocrat one party state, too bloody late now the false high life is gone.

I was there to be negotiated with at any point. Even if they’d told me that “I wouldn’t be back after Furlough is over” - it would have been less spiteful than slinging me out at a time when I really needed that 8 grand in furlough payments which I had already qualified for, but I needed to keep 20% of my hours in order to make it pay the agency for keeping me on across furlough, of course…
It was the Client that said “no” rather than the agency in that regard. It is already well known that block bookers of drivers such as Supermarkets in general - have this nasty habit of “bullying” agencies to be flexible with the contract when it suits them, but rigid in it’s application when it does not. For instance, I once turned up for a shift @ different supermarket yard years ago only to get told “Oh I thought we’d cancelled him tonight? Oh someone must have forgot to phone the agency” when I arrived at Transport… I requested the contracted 8 hours pay for being sent home once I’d turned up uncancelled, only for the agency to phone me next day saying “Don’t push that clause in your contract. They’ve told us they won’t want to book you again if you don’t let this one go”. Thus, I was expected to lose about £100 because someone else f—ed up, and my contract clause was to be “ignored” because Clients don’t get into trouble for mistakes - agency bods may be thrown under the bus though. I told them to pay me the money and fair enough, I’ll not work there in future. A week later, I hadn’t been paid, and there was an attempt to book me for another shift there, which I refused. I didn’t go back by my own choice then after that. If I consented to be robbed on request, then I felt it likely that I’d be getting further similar treatment, walking around with “MUG” written on my forehead as it were…
Overall then, I blame the big business for their bullying tactics and abusive management, whilst blaming the agencies for being weak in the face of that “client contractual abuse” which would be as it appears from their point of view. Supermarkets also run this con where they push farmers to drop their prices, or they won’t buy the bumper crop that will then SPOIL if farmer cannot then shift it. This has been a standard political business practice for many years and it stinks of course, just as it stinks when multi-million pound outfits take the full 90 days to settle their invoices - with smallest firms attempting to trade with them - getting the longest wait of course. I would be the first one to cheer if this Crisis ends up bringing a lot of these shysters in billionaire’s clothing down in due course… :imp:

There is a middle-way however. There is such a thing as “ending an employment contract by mutual consent”.

I have seen a worse “political sacking” thing done to someone however…
There was this guy eligable for a £40k+ redundancy payment, and weeks before he would have left and got paid it - he got sacked over a trumped-up charge of “answering back a client customer”.

There’s me moaning about being robbed of 8k and this poor guy ended up losing five times that “Weaponized Management” is the common denominator of the two of course.
If a manager can make something up, perform some political shenanigans like “use computers to cover himself”, and save the firm some money… The FIRM won’t be taking any hostile action against that manager, but FFS a firm OR a manager has got rather better cashflow than someone out on their arse with no payoff eh?

I’ve said it on here before that I’m very Left-Wing on financial matters. I aboslutely detest being robbed by those higher up in rank or financially than myself, simply because I’m not in the position to afford such a downturn, when I’m already arse-to-the-wall, bumping along the bottom hand-to-mouth like I have been for the past decade now.
The biggest “leak” when working on agency was being booked for short shifts far away when petrol prices were at their peak…
I was spending something like £30 a shift and taking home £50 some days. Five shifts of that, and I’m only £100 up on the entire week of working flat out.
THAT is why I decided to be a bit more fussy about the shifts that I was prepared to do.
“To make work pay” using Gordon Brown’s words from years ago. Good as a chancellor overall, but lousy as a Prime Minister in the end.

We’re all trying to earn a crust out there at the end of the day.

There’s not much that can be done here, other than me hoping that an opportunity to get back into well-paid work again comes my way before it is time to retire “before I’m ready”.

Meanwhile, I’ve now sorted myself for the year ahead, “treading water” financially. Enough to pay the bills and put food on the table, but nothing more.
This has meant giving up all my dreams and pet projects in my private life, leaving me with time on my hands.
There’s no “Cabin Fever” at home yet, despite what some may think I may be having issues with behind the scenes.

I may have over-reacted to the stick I’ve had on here in the same way that it would be easy for someone who’s just been burgled or suffered a financial loss in any other manner - doesn’t want nor expect to be laughed at, and told “You got mugged because of your own stupid fault” at the end of the day.

As for what I’ve posted on here, I’ll take the Pontius Pilate line: “I’ve written what I’ve written - What I’ve stated - stands”.

There’s no point taking back any remarks I may have made in haste, - because I’d consider it dishonest to act thus. (I don’t hold people who delete their tweets in high regard either btw)

Winseer:
I was there to be negotiated with at any point. Even if they’d told me that “I wouldn’t be back after Furlough is over” - it would have been less spiteful than slinging me out at a time when I really needed that 8 grand in furlough payments which I had already qualified for, but I needed to keep 20% of my hours in order to make it pay the agency for keeping me on across furlough, of course…
It was the Client that said “no” rather than the agency in that regard. It is already well known that block bookers of drivers such as Supermarkets in general - have this nasty habit of “bullying” agencies to be flexible with the contract when it suits them, but rigid in it’s application when it does not. For instance, I once turned up for a shift @ different supermarket yard years ago only to get told “Oh I thought we’d cancelled him tonight? Oh someone must have forgot to phone the agency” when I arrived at Transport… I requested the contracted 8 hours pay for being sent home once I’d turned up uncancelled, only for the agency to phone me next day saying “Don’t push that clause in your contract. They’ve told us they won’t want to book you again if you don’t let this one go”. Thus, I was expected to lose about £100 because someone else f—ed up, and my contract clause was to be “ignored” because Clients don’t get into trouble for mistakes - agency bods may be thrown under the bus though. I told them to pay me the money and fair enough, I’ll not work there in future. A week later, I hadn’t been paid, and there was an attempt to book me for another shift there, which I refused. I didn’t go back by my own choice then after that. If I consented to be robbed on request, then I felt it likely that I’d be getting further similar treatment, walking around with “MUG” written on my forehead as it were…
Overall then, I blame the big business for their bullying tactics and abusive management, whilst blaming the agencies for being weak in the face of that “client contractual abuse” which would be as it appears from their point of view. Supermarkets also run this con where they push farmers to drop their prices, or they won’t buy the bumper crop that will then SPOIL if farmer cannot then shift it. This has been a standard political business practice for many years and it stinks of course, just as it stinks when multi-million pound outfits take the full 90 days to settle their invoices - with smallest firms attempting to trade with them - getting the longest wait of course. I would be the first one to cheer if this Crisis ends up bringing a lot of these shysters in billionaire’s clothing down in due course… :imp:

There is a middle-way however. There is such a thing as “ending an employment contract by mutual consent”.

I have seen a worse “political sacking” thing done to someone however…
There was this guy eligable for a £40k+ redundancy payment, and weeks before he would have left and got paid it - he got sacked over a trumped-up charge of “answering back a client customer”.

There’s me moaning about being robbed of 8k and this poor guy ended up losing five times that “Weaponized Management” is the common denominator of the two of course.
If a manager can make something up, perform some political shenanigans like “use computers to cover himself”, and save the firm some money… The FIRM won’t be taking any hostile action against that manager, but FFS a firm OR a manager has got rather better cashflow than someone out on their arse with no payoff eh?

I’ve said it on here before that I’m very Left-Wing on financial matters. I aboslutely detest being robbed by those higher up in rank or financially than myself, simply because I’m not in the position to afford such a downturn, when I’m already arse-to-the-wall, bumping along the bottom hand-to-mouth like I have been for the past decade now.
The biggest “leak” when working on agency was being booked for short shifts far away when petrol prices were at their peak…
I was spending something like £30 a shift and taking home £50 some days. Five shifts of that, and I’m only £100 up on the entire week of working flat out.
THAT is why I decided to be a bit more fussy about the shifts that I was prepared to do.
“To make work pay” using Gordon Brown’s words from years ago. Good as a chancellor overall, but lousy as a Prime Minister in the end.

We’re all trying to earn a crust out there at the end of the day.

There’s not much that can be done here, other than me hoping that an opportunity to get back into well-paid work again comes my way before it is time to retire “before I’m ready”.

Meanwhile, I’ve now sorted myself for the year ahead, “treading water” financially. Enough to pay the bills and put food on the table, but nothing more.
This has meant giving up all my dreams and pet projects in my private life, leaving me with time on my hands.
There’s no “Cabin Fever” at home yet, despite what some may think I may be having issues with behind the scenes.

I may have over-reacted to the stick I’ve had on here in the same way that it would be easy for someone who’s just been burgled or suffered a financial loss in any other manner - doesn’t want nor expect to be laughed at, and told “You got mugged because of your own stupid fault” at the end of the day.

As for what I’ve posted on here, I’ll take the Pontius Pilate line: “I’ve written what I’ve written - What I’ve stated - stands”.

There’s no point taking back any remarks I may have made in haste, - because I’d consider it dishonest to act thus. (I don’t hold people who delete their tweets in high regard either btw)

Tbh I read all of that and agree with every bit. Including the bits about agencies and large supermarkets behaving atrociously.

I truly hope you get back on your feet soon mate. Like you I played the agency game - until the bum fell out of it. Now doing full time night shifts on general haulage taking home less than £500 a week. I used to get that for 2 shifts. But it’s better than nothing. I’m enjoying being paye in some ways - office staff treating me well, asked what unit I want etc. Not sure I’d rush back to the agency game unless the money went back to what i got paid in the midlands again.

Juddian:
Winseer.

The way i see it, part of where you went wrong was by wanting only the premium shifts, and the long ones at that, i agree in a perfect world that would suit your circs and i don’t blame you for wanting that, but the job isn’t perfect by any means.

There is always some investment required in the job, you can’t just pick and choose exactly what you want…i’ll clarify that…you can if there’s a genuine shortage of qualified people and the premium shifts you desire are available and no one else able or amenable, you can’t be the choosy guy and expect to have banked any favours, nor have you made yourself in any way useful or reliable (from the customers point of view), your customer being whoever pays you at the time.

You have to sometimes do the standard bread and butter jobs, which might only be 8.75 hours (a period which has too many agency bods crying in their soup due to no job and knock and no OT rate), but those are the sorts of shifts normally available where extra bodies are required.
In the real world, the full timers get the pick of the best work they do after all work there on the books, whether that’s jobs with job and knock likelyhood or for those who want to earn some money the longer shifts, assuming they are paid overtime.

(note where i work, we’re salaried, and often they give the longer days to agency who get hourly pay and the shorter days to full timers)

By not helping out and only wanting to do the lucrative shifts you wanted…this is what i assume about how you’ve gone on, that may be completely wrong of course and i’ve got the wrong end of the stick, again…you’ve invested nothing in the goodwill box, yes it’s possible some of those ‘desperate for a driver’ shifts might not have been worth doing, say if it was 8 hours and involving some travel distance then it might be barely worth doing, but this is what i mean by investing, by failing to help them out when they needed some bugger now and again you haven’t any banked goodwill, it looks like they arn’t investing back in keeping you paid (work or furlough) possibly because of your work history if the above applies, maybe they assume you want your cake and eat it?
It probably isn’t personal against you as such, they’ve made pragmatic business decisions, just like any company will these days when (and as thousands of companies will be) deciding who to let go in the approaching lists of people being made redundant as the economy tanks and taxpayer funded extra holidays vanish.

Hope i’ve explained that well enough how i see at least part of your problem is work wise.
Of course if i’m barking up the wrong tree, or just barking, tell me to do one :wink:

You’ve pretty much got the gist of it, and I’ve already included in my other post above for clarity what is the case (such as the “economy of goodwill”, which I can only afford for a short space…) and what isn’t the case (no problems at home, in fact I’ve become rather good at managing this decline, probably related to my experience @ CAB over a decade ago…) I just cannot do any more “Jam Tomorrow” stuff in my life now.
Losing out on what should have been a “Cake and eat it” situation the way I saw it, sees me now on the wrong side of the Canyon. To get back into work that pays - I’ve got to cross that canyon where the next £10k of earnings is almost being lost pound-for-pound in the overheads trying to chase it. I’ve compromised by electing to commute a medium distance for medium pay for work that varies between being a doddle at times (Trunking - the job I always liked) and harder graft (pump-trucking pallets all over a tonne on back at difficult-to-access venues) Hopefully, because I’m not stepping on anyone else’s feet this time around by “earning more than them” or “getting more hours than them” - I’ll be left alone for the next year whilst this ongoing crisis plays itself out. It is all about “Survival” now rather than “Chasing Prosperity” for me then.

As I said before, I use “Anger” in writing at least (never getting physical with people in the real world, mind…) to manage what otherwise might be a menancholic pit of despair that even postitive-outlooking optimist Moi - has come to struggle with a bit, this time around. I thought I was ready for the crisis, but clearly hadn’t covered all the angles as I thought I had done, after all…

Now let’s change the subject a bit, and spare a thought for our more Northern truckers are faring when faced with a sharper downtown than we face darn sarth here, let’s say…

I’m glad you’ve found summat to keep you ticking over Winseer, best of luck for the future.

Interesting video that.
Both ways on the M1/M6 today i might have been driving on a motorway in any part of central europe, it was spot the Brit wagon among the foreign regd convoys.

RIP UK PLC.

From what I’ve been seeing on the motorways this past month - The Big Foreign Chains are notably absent, although Waeberers are now commonplace once more…

I’ve not seen any La Gouldale for over a month, (this photo dates from before the lockdown)…

Traffic seems to be busy within town limits, but “Intercity” traffic if you like - is still quiet.

The main Tramper Trade Route roads like the A2 - seem much busier than even the M25 of late, as well… :open_mouth:

The rise and rise of the Euro continues to baffle me…
Britain is on the verge of either going without EU imports or getting the same produce from further afield STILL by-passing the EU.
Either way, we’ll still be importing stuff, just not from there if the price is too high.

If there are “Tariffs” - the price will be too high, and if the Euro itself is too high - prices will be over-the-top, and we’ll be even MORE encouraged to circumvent EU traffic-related imports…

I look forward to buying cheap Jupiter Oranges instead of any future over-priced Seville ones, put it that way…

So why isn’t the Euro on the verge of total COLLAPSE then? - If we’re about to cut them out of the loop?
Beats me!!

Juddian:
I’m glad you’ve found summat to keep you ticking over Winseer, best of luck for the future.

Interesting video that.
Both ways on the M1/M6 today i might have been driving on a motorway in any part of central europe, it was spot the Brit wagon among the foreign regd convoys.

RIP UK PLC.

Looks like it is my turn to try and cheer you up here:

The Post-Brexit future will surely involve UK truckers merely having to drive more miles to say, UK docksides to go and fetch anything we cannot produce here for ourselves, such as Citrus for example…
Then there’s all those UK-wide packhouses pumping out local produce that supermarkets seem to be stocking up on, if their union jack labelling is anything to go by…

That’s more work for UK based Hauliers - that used to be brought right across the country by Foreign truckers from the Ports to final destiniation RDC…

Take another look at the foreign trucks notably absent: General Haulage ones by any chance?
I’ve only been seeing food transport of late coming the other way on roads like the A2, M25, M20 M26 in Kent…
I haven’t seen a “Skat” or one of those trucks pulling a load of Forklift Truck Tops for quite a while!

Thus, I predict that we’ll be doing a lot more all-product freight forwarding in effect, way beyond “container work” like we did before…
The further your town is away from a port - the longer shift you’ll have to do to fetch it. It can’t be THAT hard to make a few extra 40-hour weeks out of such work - surely?

Winseer:
From what I’ve been seeing on the motorways this past month - The Big Foreign Chains are notably absent, although Waeberers are now commonplace once more…

I’ve not seen any La Gouldale for over a month, (this photo dates from before the lockdown)…
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Traffic seems to be busy within town limits, but “Intercity” traffic if you like - is still quiet.

The main Tramper Trade Route roads like the A2 - seem much busier than even the M25 of late, as well… :open_mouth:

The rise and rise of the Euro continues to baffle me…
Britain is on the verge of either going without EU imports or getting the same produce from further afield STILL by-passing the EU.
Either way, we’ll still be importing stuff, just not from there if the price is too high.

If there are “Tariffs” - the price will be too high, and if the Euro itself is too high - prices will be over-the-top, and we’ll be even MORE encouraged to circumvent EU traffic-related imports…

I look forward to buying cheap Jupiter Oranges instead of any future over-priced Seville ones, put it that way…

So why isn’t the Euro on the verge of total COLLAPSE then? - If we’re about to cut them out of the loop?
Beats me!!

I believe the Brexit negotiations are still ongoing but surely more in our favour now then ever. The German economy is not going to survive without our insatiable buying of BMW and Mercedes cars. The french will be wanting to off load their cheese and wine more than ever. Brexit and this pandemic could well work for us.

Winseer:
From what I’ve been seeing on the motorways this past month - The Big Foreign Chains are notably absent, although Waeberers are now commonplace once more…

I’ve not seen any La Gouldale for over a month, (this photo dates from before the lockdown)…
0

Traffic seems to be busy within town limits, but “Intercity” traffic if you like - is still quiet.

The main Tramper Trade Route roads like the A2 - seem much busier than even the M25 of late, as well… :open_mouth:

The rise and rise of the Euro continues to baffle me…
Britain is on the verge of either going without EU imports or getting the same produce from further afield STILL by-passing the EU.
Either way, we’ll still be importing stuff, just not from there if the price is too high.

If there are “Tariffs” - the price will be too high, and if the Euro itself is too high - prices will be over-the-top, and we’ll be even MORE encouraged to circumvent EU traffic-related imports…

I look forward to buying cheap Jupiter Oranges instead of any future over-priced Seville ones, put it that way…

So why isn’t the Euro on the verge of total COLLAPSE then? - If we’re about to cut them out of the loop?
Beats me!!

Me thinks you have that the wrong way around its the uk that’s on the verge of collapse not Europe