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the maoster:

R420:
Yep. I’ve said it in other threads, agency work is approx 80% politics and 20% work/driving. You can be the best driver in the world but if you don’t figure out the politics of who’s who, who the main agency supplier is, what they’re paying, what they’re charging, who the first choice regulars are and who the people are in the office that liaise with the agencies to book the drivers, you’re wasting your time. It’s all about getting ‘in’ with the right crowd of long-termers and office staff, timing your visits to the coffee machine and cig shelter to coincide with theirs so you get talking and you build up a rapport. The jigsaw pieces slowly come together and if you don’t [zb] it up you’ll eventually get your name close to the top of the list when they need drivers.

Ain’t that the truth ^^^ ?

I may not be the crunchiest cookie in the box (otherwise I’d be wearing a sharp suit instead of peddling tat up and down our mortorways) but I’m smart enough to figure out how things works in the real world. During my foray into limpdom I quickly figured that it’s all about doing what’s best for you by maximising your potential. I’m not talking about sucking the proverbial or kissing ■■■, I’m talking about being the “go to” guy every single time, be that guy and you’ll maximise your earning potential, and let’s be honest here, none of us work for the kudos of being a lorryist, it’s all about putting food on the table. If you find that your stance is getting in the way of that you need to adjust your stance or switch careers.

True. But, it’s a fine balancing act being the ‘go to’ guy. Get the balance wrong and you become the doormat :astonished: . Seen it happen with a few guys who think they’re ‘in’ with the office but they get the ■■■■ taken out of them with “can you just nip” after a 12-13 hr shift. The balance is mostly dictated by how friendly you are with the people/person who needs you to help them out. If you’re friendly then you have a greater scope to politely refuse their request without it causing conflict and resentment, but this must be coupled with a history of helping them out on plenty of past occasions to give you more ‘weight’.

Some office staff will take a weekly back-hander to ensure you’re in all the time too. Just add a couple of hours of overtime to your time sheet and make sure they are present in the office to sign it for you at the end of the week. Not difficult to slip them a couple of 20s when you happen to bump into them at the coffee machine. Keeps the wheels of business greased and running smoothly.

It just goes to prove the lies, deceit and corruption is from the top ( the politicions ) to the lowly working class, I was going to say lorry driver but I think we are above all that.

WaggerWagger888:
It just goes to prove the lies, deceit and corruption is from the top ( the politicions ) to the lowly working class, I was going to say lorry driver but I think we are above all that.

Wanna buy some diesel :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

This job is full of crawlers, grasses and arse wipes all wanting to be in with the boss at everybody else’s cost…we all have them at every firm. :imp:
Best to avoid them …except for when you get the chance to drop them in the ■■■■. :grimacing:

I’ve only ever grassed on someone once.

The bloke in question was despised by all. And had twice tried to get me in trouble as an agency driver. Once when I moved off a bay about 2 foot with the tail lift down. No damage but he made a right song and dance and still ran to the office after he’d checked twice to see there was no damage, including three times making sure it was fully operational. Second time he tried getting me in trouble was when I uncoupled a trailer on a red light. The back story is that we needed to use locks on the airlines. So my way was to do all the uncoupling, pull the pin and then drive off after putting the key into the dock to make it go red (some will work out the company from that). He even went ranting to the company trainer saying he wasn’t doing site inductions properly, and again ran to the office. No problem for me after just told to not do it again.

My grassing was after he got upset when I went into the yard at the same time as him. His mistake was that the gates were open and I’d been told I could park up by the store staff. He didn’t think other lorries should be in at the same time as him. And he then made a fuss he couldn’t get out. He was waving his hands saying I needed to move out. So I decided to wind him up and told him if he was struggling I could do it for him. He lost it and called me abusive names and used foul language, note here he didn’t get out of the cab to do this and only did it as driving off. I’d played him like a fiddle including open palms asking what the problem was.

So I made a full report of how I felt intimidated and considered it bullying in the workplace. And said I was scared to be on site with him. He got a full disciplinary and I’m told he was given a final warning and was even made to write a letter apologizing to me. Nearly everyone on site shook my hand as he was despised. I was only agency and he was full time - but you can find a way to skin a cat.

If this bloke really does delight in getting men sacked - then play the long game with him. He will ■■■■ up in front of you at some point. And he will dig his own grave. What goes around comes around and all that.

robroy:
This job is full of crawlers, grasses and arse wipes all wanting to be in with the boss at everybody else’s cost…we all have them at every firm. :imp:
Best to avoid them …except for when you get the chance to drop them in the [zb]. :grimacing:

Easy to say from the comfort of your permie driving seat Rob, but it’s a different world over on the dark side of agency work. Dog eat dog, look out for yourself and watch your back even closer for all the incoming knives :open_mouth: . Despite what they say to your face, every permie driver secretly hates agency drivers because of the green-eyed monster of jealousy knowing that they’re getting £2 per hour more for doing the same job, and that’s before you even get into the whole precious snowflake crap over “who’s been driving my wagon” whining.

WaggerWagger888:
It just goes to prove the lies, deceit and corruption is from the top ( the politicions ) to the lowly working class, I was going to say lorry driver but I think we are above all that.

It’s a simple fact of life that this is how the business world works when you dig beneath the surface. Looking after the ‘right’ people and being willing to get them out of the [zb] when needed both pay dividends long term. Also never burn your bridges and never delete the numbers of old contacts when you move on as you don’t know what the future holds nor when you might need them again. I believe they call it networking.

As an example, the job I recently started on the milk was sorted out by my former transport manager where I worked 9 (!) years ago. I haven’t seen him for 9 years and it’d been about a year since I last spoke with him. Rang him for a chat and said I was getting a tad desperate for work, if you hear of anything, give us a holler. “I might know of something, let me make a couple of calls and I’ll get back to you. Have you done milk collections before?”. No. 20 mins later he rings back, “get over to ■■■ for six tomorrow, you’ll be going out with one of their drivers to be shown the job. I’ve told them a bit about you, you can do the job once shown and that you’ve got your head screwed on right. Job will be yours if you don’t [zb] it up”. And that was it. Back in work in 24 hours when the job market is completely on its arse and I didn’t even have to fill in a tedious application form or have an interview :slight_smile: .

Winseer:
This all sounds very familiar to me…

Whereas giving work to one bod over another could be within the “pecking order” remit used by most agencies,
there’s the mis-use of furlough grants going on where the yard stands down it’s full time drivers on paid furlough leave, dished out the work that the full timers would usually be doing to the more favoured agency bods (If the job is furloughed, then how come the firm is claiming the 80% grant for it’s stood-down full timers when it’s “business as usual”?

Surely the yard should be completely shut down, or at least down to a skeleton staff in order to not claim the grant “fraudulently”?

Nope. Nothing in the rules requires that.

There will be a reckoning when this is all over.

You’re not supposed to claim money from the government if you are working your yard up-and-running as usual.
If you furlough a full timer, claim the money, and then give the work they have vacated out to agency cover - then that’s like the old days of brudders routinely “working and signing on” which they could get away with in former times because of “cash-in-hand work”…

Here we go again with more of Winseer’s complete and utter ■■■■■■■■.

So presumably Conor, you also think it’s OK to “work and sign on”, or “get paid cash, and not put it through the books” or even “hide your money overseas” - all to avoid paying your dues, and not claiming money you’re NOT entitled to? The Political Left are all about making it perfectly legal to kill people, whilst the Financial Left like moi - are about making sure NO ONE goes short, not just your best buddies whilst the workplace casually throws people under the bus… Sometimes I rather wish I’d been born Black or Jewish - just so I’d have a case against these ■■■■■■■■ of the workplace that only carry out their crap “because they can”, and they think there will never be any retributions for their sins… We’ll see!

It was a mistake to trust the Furlough Grants to employers instead of dishing out it ONLY to those people who had actually seen their incomes collapse - from suddenly getting no work!
Employers - have already got too much power. Why give them any more?

But hey… If Yours Truly can be turned into a big loser - any amount of billions squandered @ Government - can’t be all bad, huh? :imp:

R420:

robroy:
This job is full of crawlers, grasses and arse wipes all wanting to be in with the boss at everybody else’s cost…we all have them at every firm. :imp:
Best to avoid them …except for when you get the chance to drop them in the [zb]. :grimacing:

Easy to say from the comfort of your permie driving seat Rob, but it’s a different world over on the dark side of agency work. Dog eat dog, look out for yourself and watch your back even closer for all the incoming knives :open_mouth: . Despite what they say to your face, every permie driver secretly hates agency drivers because of the green-eyed monster of jealousy knowing that they’re getting £2 per hour more for doing the same job, and that’s before you even get into the whole precious snowflake crap over “who’s been driving my wagon” whining.

Yeh I dabbled with agency for a short time about 10 or more years ago,.and witnessed what you say.
As a non agency driver,.I do hate agencies and all they stand for, but got to be honest I’ve nowt against the drivers themselves…maybe apart from the ones who tactleslly ram down your neck how much an hour they are on. :unamused:

It’s same with Stobbies…can’t stand them, but I knock about with a Stobbies driver. :smiley:
Same with foreign drivers, there seems to be a hell of a lot of hostility (especially on here) but a driver is a driver in my book, and we’re all in the same ■■■■ together is the way I see it,.even if some are better off than others,.and fair play I reckon.

Socketset:
I don’t know how that happened but my reply to Winseer has found its way into the middle of his post - anyway I mention firms rooking the government and karma will fix the Roma speakeasy.

I’ve fixed that for you. :smiley:

R420:

robroy:
This job is full of crawlers, grasses and arse wipes all wanting to be in with the boss at everybody else’s cost…we all have them at every firm. :imp:
Best to avoid them …except for when you get the chance to drop them in the [zb]. :grimacing:

Easy to say from the comfort of your permie driving seat Rob, but it’s a different world over on the dark side of agency work. Dog eat dog, look out for yourself and watch your back even closer for all the incoming knives :open_mouth: . Despite what they say to your face, every permie driver secretly hates agency drivers because of the green-eyed monster of jealousy knowing that they’re getting £2 per hour more for doing the same job, and that’s before you even get into the whole precious snowflake crap over “who’s been driving my wagon” whining.

How wrong you are, the agency bods don’t get anywhere near our pay, far from being envious of them we tend to look after the lads who play the game right, they leave the vehicle at least as well as most of the full timers.

Juddian:

R420:

robroy:
This job is full of crawlers, grasses and arse wipes all wanting to be in with the boss at everybody else’s cost…we all have them at every firm. :imp:
Best to avoid them …except for when you get the chance to drop them in the [zb]. :grimacing:

Easy to say from the comfort of your permie driving seat Rob, but it’s a different world over on the dark side of agency work. Dog eat dog, look out for yourself and watch your back even closer for all the incoming knives :open_mouth: . Despite what they say to your face, every permie driver secretly hates agency drivers because of the green-eyed monster of jealousy knowing that they’re getting £2 per hour more for doing the same job, and that’s before you even get into the whole precious snowflake crap over “who’s been driving my wagon” whining.

How wrong you are, the agency bods don’t get anywhere near our pay, far from being envious of them we tend to look after the lads who play the game right, they leave the vehicle at least as well as most of the full timers.

Always some exceptions Jud. I am generalising. A couple of quid more is common for non-specialist general haulage work and sadly approx 90% of agency drivers truly deserve the bad rep they get.

R420:

robroy:
This job is full of crawlers, grasses and arse wipes all wanting to be in with the boss at everybody else’s cost…we all have them at every firm. :imp:
Best to avoid them …except for when you get the chance to drop them in the [zb]. :grimacing:

Easy to say from the comfort of your permie driving seat Rob, but it’s a different world over on the dark side of agency work. Dog eat dog, look out for yourself and watch your back even closer for all the incoming knives :open_mouth: . Despite what they say to your face, every permie driver secretly hates agency drivers because of the green-eyed monster of jealousy knowing that they’re getting £2 per hour more for doing the same job, and that’s before you even get into the whole precious snowflake crap over “who’s been driving my wagon” whining.

Unless of course said permie is on a salary rather than scratting around on hourly pay…

There was me thinking that this £2ph extra spoken of was the premium for “having a zero hours contract”.

The endemic risk of having such a contract was supposedly that you would only go from maxed hours to bugger-all hours if and only if - EVERYONE lost all their work at once.

Not this situation where the work drops 20%, so they just bump off 20% of the drivers - the ones that were working flat out, mind - whilst promoting those drivers who don’t WANT more hours than what they were getting before, and of course “give just enough hours to drivers” so they don’t quite get the paid gardening leave that just a few hallowed agency ended up getting instead.

I’m as guilty of “resentment” as the rest. Even back in the days when I was a full timer, I used to think about “leaving, and coming back on agency” to do the same job for more money…
But there was a built-in rule that you couldn’t come back for at least 2 years in effect at that time (dunno if it still prevails, or even if I just got lied to back then…)
The point is though that the grass seemed greener NOT because some agencies were gassing about their extra premium they got, but rather how hard it seemed to be “climbing up the pecking order”…
When everyone is on the same rate - STILL not everyone is equal, “some are more equal than others”…

I still can’t work out how agencies are going to recover post-crisis when they want to build their drivers back up to say, 5x cover again where they’ll sign up 100 drivers for the 20 regular core shifts per week that they have… 4 drivers are going to get 5 days, and the other 96 will get bugger all, but NOT be warned that they really need to be seeking work elsewhere…
In effect, the notion of “career move” that might have someone like myself chasing the extra £2ph - is now null and void.
Put in for a job paying very little - and you’ll still be treated fairly.
Put in for a job paying the same or more than the regular full timers, especially the SENIORITY SET full timers - and the job becomes as unstable as Astatine.
Where do they re-build their “mug driver base” from then?

I’ve been a mug. I’ve got caught out for it. Fool me once…
I’ll listen to all you folks more closely next time I’m warned that “all employment agencies are scum” with the stress on ALL, which I was far too slow to realize and wake up to.
At least with the high hourly rates and parity pay at places like RM - I can look back and think “It was good whilst I lasted”. :unamused:
I managed to dodge the bullets for four whole months! Fancy that!

Even then, my thoughts go out to the family of the driver killed returning from Dartford in the early hours of this morning…
https://uknip.co.uk/2020/05/28/a2-remains-closed-following-life-changing-collision-involving-two-hgv-and-car/

“Not even one reply on the thread I started” at the time of writing (250+ views) - says more about “not wanting to click on a Winseer thread” than it says about “Leave your RIP messages here” like it would be for any other RIP Driver thread huh?
I might have been doing that very job at the beginning of last year… No one expects to step into a job and end up not coming home after… :frowning:

^^^^ stop playing the victim FFS! I bear you no I’ll will or indeed animosity Winseer, how could I? I’ve never met you and I don’t know you from Adam, but I absolutely guarantee that if I ever met you and even if Trucknet was not mentioned I’d have a pretty good idea in a matter of minutes that it was you. That’d be the point I invented a fictional phone call that neede to be made!

the maoster:
^^^^ stop playing the victim FFS! I bear you no I’ll will or indeed animosity Winseer, how could I? I’ve never met you and I don’t know you from Adam, but I absolutely guarantee that if I ever met you and even if Trucknet was not mentioned I’d have a pretty good idea in a matter of minutes that it was you. That’d be the point I invented a fictional phone call that neede to be made!

+1
I’m sick of his ■■■■ whinging and whining on here…‘‘Poor me nobody likes me, everybody’s against me’.’’ cry ■■■■ cry. :unamused:
Ask yourself why ffs, everybody else can not be wrong, and you on your own right. :bulb:
Get a grip of yourself man !!

Normally in a conversation, someone would pick up on some other aspect of a post I’d made, and “change the subject” just to clear the air.
I’m trying to diversify away, and move on - - yet get dragged back and slammed straight down again, always a critism, never a polite change of subject to something else I happened to mention…

I would like everyone else to talk about something else, other than how crap I am.
If I ■■■■ at everything, then change the subject to something I can talk on, but cannot moan on, if my posts upset people on here so damned much…
How about some tips on “how to become more popular”?
or at least “How to become less-hated whilst not being ignored in the process” hmm?

…I’ve already learned “how to get a job by leaving politics at the door”, so we don’t need to discuss that
I’m well-aware that on here “If we find out who he is, we’ll tell gaffer not to take him on” remarks…
Just as well I don’t carry an Iphone and have already been busted off facebook, I guess…
That way, I can always let off steam at home instead of taking it into work with me, with possibly distracting, and even fatal results…

Nobody has once claimed “how crap you are”, that’s your victim complex kicking in again!

You a clearly well educated, highly literate and very knowledgeabl yet clearly you struggle in social situations. I’m not a lifestyle guru by any means but if I could offer some well intentioned advice it would be to lose that chip off your shoulder, adjust your attitude and accept that for the most part things are what they are, simple as that, no Michavellian shenanigans going on, no conspiracy going on, just simply life. Don’t invest your time overthinking every damned situation you find yourself in, it’s counterproductive and quite frankly exhausting. Take a long look in the mirror and consider the type of person you see.

If it’s any consolation btw I have an I phone and am currently on a 28 day Facebook ban! ■■■■ happens, move on. :wink:

the maoster:
Nobody has once claimed “how crap you are”, that’s your victim complex kicking in again!

You a clearly well educated, highly literate and very knowledgeabl yet clearly you struggle in social situations. I’m not a lifestyle guru by any means but if I could offer some well intentioned advice it would be to lose that chip off your shoulder, adjust your attitude and accept that for the most part things are what they are, simple as that, no Michavellian shenanigans going on, no conspiracy going on, just simply life. Don’t invest your time overthinking every damned situation you find yourself in, it’s counterproductive and quite frankly exhausting. Take a long look in the mirror and consider the type of person you see.

But! But! ZHCs! Fraudulent furlough claims! This is extremely important stuff! :grimacing:

Ref the highlight, you are wasting your energy. He’s been told this at least 20 times in the past few months but completely ignores it and continues to copy and paste the same guff into every thread.