Berty:
As many of you said the pay doesn’t reflect what you pay to get ur licence and what really narks me are these firms that take an hour off you for your break each day when most of the time you can’t leave the truck it’s not like we work in office and can just nip out for an hour is it? Luckily I get paid for my breaks
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The last firm I worked for deducted one or both breaks when I started but did start paying for second one because no one wanted to work the extra hours and not get paid for break.
Berty:
As many of you said the pay doesn’t reflect what you pay to get ur licence and what really narks me are these firms that take an hour off you for your break each day when most of the time you can’t leave the truck it’s not like we work in office and can just nip out for an hour is it? Luckily I get paid for my breaks
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The last firm I worked for deducted one or both breaks when I started but did start paying for second one because no one wanted to work the extra hours and not get paid for break.
That’s a ■■■■ take for sure. Over the course of a week that’s 5 hours say your on 11 and hour that’s 55 quid times that by 48 weeks that’s 2640 quid a year saved for the firm… fair old chunk really
Berty:
That’s a ■■■■ take for sure. Over the course of a week that’s 5 hours say your on 11 and hour that’s 55 quid times that by 48 weeks that’s 2640 quid a year saved for the firm… fair old chunk really
It will only matter in the case of minimum wage jobs.While deduction of breaks from the paid working day was always the usual case even in the militant days of the 1970’s.IE 40 hours per week usually translated as 8 am - 5 pm for hourly paid shop floor and 9 am - 5 pm for salaried staff.On that note I don’t think I ever worked anywhere where breaks weren’t deducted from the working day.
While if it isn’t minimum wage the guvnor can/will obviously just reduce the hourly rate to compensate for paid breaks.
Berty:
That’s a ■■■■ take for sure. Over the course of a week that’s 5 hours say your on 11 and hour that’s 55 quid times that by 48 weeks that’s 2640 quid a year saved for the firm… fair old chunk really
It will only matter in the case of minimum wage jobs.While deduction of breaks from the paid working day was always the usual case even in the militant days of the 1970’s.IE 40 hours per week usually translated as 8 am - 5 pm for hourly paid shop floor and 9 am - 5 pm for salaried staff.On that note I don’t think I ever worked anywhere where breaks weren’t deducted from the working day.
While if it isn’t minimum wage the guvnor can/will obviously just reduce the hourly rate to compensate for paid breaks.
Most jobs iv enquired about do it and I just think it’s wrong but like you said if they can do it they will
OVLOV JAY:
When wages upwards of £10 an hour become the norm, and you see 8 or 9 ads in the local paper, I’ll believe there’s a shortage. Until then I’ll carry on treating any BBC “news” with the contempt it deserves
There’s plenty of double-digit hourly rates available even for C2 work in London and the South East right now.
Here and there are the “laggard” firms that continue to get away with sub-£10ph wages right now - but their days must surely be numbered, especially as we’ve got firms like Asda (Erith) offering £18ph for working over Christmas, and RM offering £16 once you get past the 12th week (hard to do, I know!)
A couple of weeks ago I contacted a well-known haulage firm based at Colnbrook, just outside Heathrow. I’d gone into the office while delivering there to see if they had any work going, and they said they only had class 2 but I could take that and wait until they had class 1 work. The lady called me up later and told me some things about the job and then she said, “I don’t know what the agency have been paying you …” which was a sure sign that the company was paying peanuts. Sure enough, she offered me £8/hr and then claimed that this was their class 1 rate! And it’s not as if they have nice new kit to compensate for the crap wages – a rag-bag of old DAFs and MANs. I didn’t follow up the job.
£3000 to get a licence. Which needs no more skills than being able to drive.
No years of study. No years of apprenticeship.
No outlay for tools or equipment (christ, most drivers complain about having to buy a pair of gloves for three quid… ).
No indemnity insurance.
Paid when on down time (break down or no load ready).
Job security.
Most of us take home in excess of £300 a week. For sitting on our ■■■, and watching the world go by. If you feel so hard done by, quit driving, and see what other, non driving job you can get, that grantees you £300 in the bank every week. If you can, do it, and stop pretending that driving a truck is some specialised skill, that commands respect and a vast wage increase…
OVLOV JAY:
When wages upwards of £10 an hour become the norm, and you see 8 or 9 ads in the local paper, I’ll believe there’s a shortage. Until then I’ll carry on treating any BBC “news” with the contempt it deserves
There’s plenty of double-digit hourly rates available even for C2 work in London and the South East right now.
Here and there are the “laggard” firms that continue to get away with sub-£10ph wages right now - but their days must surely be numbered, especially as we’ve got firms like Asda (Erith) offering £18ph for working over Christmas, and RM offering £16 once you get past the 12th week (hard to do, I know!)
A couple of weeks ago I contacted a well-known haulage firm based at Colnbrook, just outside Heathrow. I’d gone into the office while delivering there to see if they had any work going, and they said they only had class 2 but I could take that and wait until they had class 1 work. The lady called me up later and told me some things about the job and then she said, “I don’t know what the agency have been paying you …” which was a sure sign that the company was paying peanuts. Sure enough, she offered me £8/hr and then claimed that this was their class 1 rate! And it’s not as if they have nice new kit to compensate for the crap wages – a rag-bag of old DAFs and MANs. I didn’t follow up the job.
IndigoJo:
A couple of weeks ago I contacted a well-known haulage firm based at Colnbrook, just outside Heathrow. I’d gone into the office while delivering there to see if they had any work going, and they said they only had class 2 but I could take that and wait until they had class 1 work. The lady called me up later and told me some things about the job and then she said, “I don’t know what the agency have been paying you …” which was a sure sign that the company was paying peanuts. Sure enough, she offered me £8/hr and then claimed that this was their class 1 rate! And it’s not as if they have nice new kit to compensate for the crap wages – a rag-bag of old DAFs and MANs. I didn’t follow up the job.
Saints?
No, Gibbs. Saints’ trucks are a bit newer than theirs, and I’ve checked Saints out and their rates were fairly reasonable though lower than agency rates. (Haven’t worked for them, as all they had were Heathrow runs.)
the nodding donkey:
£3000 to get a licence. Which needs no more skills than being able to drive.
No years of study. No years of apprenticeship.
No outlay for tools or equipment (christ, most drivers complain about having to buy a pair of gloves for three quid… ).
No indemnity insurance.
Paid when on down time (break down or no load ready).
Job security.
Most of us take home in excess of £300 a week. For sitting on our ■■■, and watching the world go by. If you feel so hard done by, quit driving, and see what other, non driving job you can get, that grantees you £300 in the bank every week. If you can, do it, and stop pretending that driving a truck is some specialised skill, that commands respect and a vast wage increase…
My son takes home well over £300 a week, he’s 18, he serves meals to hospital patients, mops floors and empties bins doing 8 hour shifts. I can’t imagine him spending £3,000 to get a licence to earn the same money doing twice as many hours.
OVLOV JAY:
When wages upwards of £10 an hour become the norm, and you see 8 or 9 ads in the local paper, I’ll believe there’s a shortage. Until then I’ll carry on treating any BBC “news” with the contempt it deserves
There’s plenty of double-digit hourly rates available even for C2 work in London and the South East right now.
Here and there are the “laggard” firms that continue to get away with sub-£10ph wages right now - but their days must surely be numbered, especially as we’ve got firms like Asda (Erith) offering £18ph for working over Christmas, and RM offering £16 once you get past the 12th week (hard to do, I know!)
A couple of weeks ago I contacted a well-known haulage firm based at Colnbrook, just outside Heathrow. I’d gone into the office while delivering there to see if they had any work going, and they said they only had class 2 but I could take that and wait until they had class 1 work. The lady called me up later and told me some things about the job and then she said, “I don’t know what the agency have been paying you …” which was a sure sign that the company was paying peanuts. Sure enough, she offered me £8/hr and then claimed that this was their class 1 rate! And it’s not as if they have nice new kit to compensate for the crap wages – a rag-bag of old DAFs and MANs. I didn’t follow up the job.
How saintly of you? £8 for class one is Zb and 51p less than I get class 2
the nodding donkey:
£3000 to get a licence. Which needs no more skills than being able to drive.
No years of study. No years of apprenticeship.
No outlay for tools or equipment (christ, most drivers complain about having to buy a pair of gloves for three quid… ).
No indemnity insurance.
Paid when on down time (break down or no load ready).
Job security.
Most of us take home in excess of £300 a week. For sitting on our ■■■, and watching the world go by. If you feel so hard done by, quit driving, and see what other, non driving job you can get, that grantees you £300 in the bank every week. If you can, do it, and stop pretending that driving a truck is some specialised skill, that commands respect and a vast wage increase…
My son takes home well over £300 a week, he’s 18, he serves meals to hospital patients, mops floors and empties bins doing 8 hour shifts. I can’t imagine him spending £3,000 to get a licence to earn the same money doing twice as many hours.
Then why are drivers here complaint about long hours, ■■■■ conditions, and low wages? Why don’t they go and get a porters job in a hospital?
blue estate:
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How saintly of you? £8 for class one is Zb and 51p less than I get class 2
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There are container companies in Southampton offering better rates than that (and I thought they were terrible when I looked into it a couple of months ago – generally about £8.50/hr “but you can get lots of hours!”). There are lots of companies offering better class 2 rates around there than £8/hr, let alone class 1.
8 an hour? Tell u what love why don’t you kick me in the bollox whilst your at it lol… over the years iv learned all driving jobs are ■■■■ it’s just a matter of what ■■■■ your willing to put up with and whether the pay, work life balance is adequate enough
The ads providing a choice of local,distance or international work new drivers welcome.Together with a government statement that it now sees road transport as important as rail and will end its anti road crusade accordingly.Starting with the good will gesture of allowing the use of red diesel and a move towards the use of LHV’s.
Red diesel= rates reduced correspondingly to match the cheaper cost of diesel
LHVs= fewer drivers required to move the same amount of freight = lower wages.
Or the imformouse Denby B- double … ie two of these equals three regular trucks and puts one driver out of work while the saving is trousered
the nodding donkey:
£3000 to get a licence. Which needs no more skills than being able to drive.
No years of study. No years of apprenticeship.
No outlay for tools or equipment (christ, most drivers complain about having to buy a pair of gloves for three quid… ).
No indemnity insurance.
Paid when on down time (break down or no load ready).
Job security.
Most of us take home in excess of £300 a week. For sitting on our ■■■, and watching the world go by. If you feel so hard done by, quit driving, and see what other, non driving job you can get, that grantees you £300 in the bank every week. If you can, do it, and stop pretending that driving a truck is some specialised skill, that commands respect and a vast wage increase…
My son takes home well over £300 a week, he’s 18, he serves meals to hospital patients, mops floors and empties bins doing 8 hour shifts. I can’t imagine him spending £3,000 to get a licence to earn the same money doing twice as many hours.
Then why are drivers here complaint about long hours, [zb] conditions, and low wages? Why don’t they go and get a porters job in a hospital?
No idea, but you asked what non-driving job guarantees £300 in the bank every week so I told you of one.
the nodding donkey:
£3000 to get a licence. Which needs no more skills than being able to drive.
No years of study. No years of apprenticeship.
No outlay for tools or equipment (christ, most drivers complain about having to buy a pair of gloves for three quid… ).
No indemnity insurance.
Paid when on down time (break down or no load ready).
Job security.
Most of us take home in excess of £300 a week. For sitting on our ■■■, and watching the world go by. If you feel so hard done by, quit driving, and see what other, non driving job you can get, that grantees you £300 in the bank every week. If you can, do it, and stop pretending that driving a truck is some specialised skill, that commands respect and a vast wage increase…
My son takes home well over £300 a week, he’s 18, he serves meals to hospital patients, mops floors and empties bins doing 8 hour shifts. I can’t imagine him spending £3,000 to get a licence to earn the same money doing twice as many hours.
Then why are drivers here complaint about long hours, [zb] conditions, and low wages? Why don’t they go and get a porters job in a hospital?
Probably because of what his son has to do to get it? he serves meals to hospital patients, mops floors and empties bins some on here might feel it’s beneath them and also they’d have to spend all day dealing with people and on their feet.
the nodding donkey:
£3000 to get a licence. Which needs no more skills than being able to drive.
No years of study. No years of apprenticeship.
No outlay for tools or equipment (christ, most drivers complain about having to buy a pair of gloves for three quid… ).
No indemnity insurance.
Paid when on down time (break down or no load ready).
Job security.
Most of us take home in excess of £300 a week. For sitting on our ■■■, and watching the world go by. If you feel so hard done by, quit driving, and see what other, non driving job you can get, that grantees you £300 in the bank every week. If you can, do it, and stop pretending that driving a truck is some specialised skill, that commands respect and a vast wage increase…
I almost agree with you, but the fact remains that it costs 3k to get a licence to do a job that will probably pay £8-9 per hour. Unless it’s something you want to do, it isn’t worth it.
Berty:
While if it isn’t minimum wage the guvnor can/will obviously just reduce the hourly rate to compensate for paid breaks.
I’ve noticed an increase in the use of being paid ‘per day’…and it dont need an accountant to work out ,who will be into pocket
Don’t do it - under any circumstances.
At night, firms can only force a driver to do 10 hours on duty perhaps, but on days? - 15 hours planned at the outset - and of course, there won’t be any 3x15 hour working weeks either. It’ll end up being 15,15,15,13,13,13 week one and 15,15,15,13,13 week two for a massive 155 hour fortnight on duty plus unpaid POA and Breaks… It’s bad enough when shifts like this are planned for agency drivers, but at least they will get paid for every hour of such shifts.
Never EVER agree to a “Paid by the day” contract with the market the way it currently is.
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