26 years an Lgv Trainer:
At the sad light of day you have lost your job over this,So you lost the tribunial
The tribunal upheld the original decision of ‘gross misconduct’
And That Is A Fact
Quite true - they upheld that they thought it reasonable of an employer to come to that conclusion BUT they also said that they found me NOT RESPONSIBLE for putting oil into the lorry and that I was a CREDIBLE witness.
This is indeed a very sad saga.
It used to be that Solicitors would offer a free appointment to discuss your needs before taking on a case, maybe it’s worth phoning a few and seeing what you can find. It does seem a very complicated judgement from the Tribunal, almost contradictory.
Best of luck with it though and I do hope things take a turn for the better soon.
Just a point which is bothering me in all this, and thats the oil.
You say that only 3l was unaccounted for, but if that was put in a lorry engine which was to the max mark on the dipstick, it wouldn’t cause the seals to blow. You would need a fair bit more. Sounds like a garage issue to me.
We have run engines well over the full mark, due to the gradients they were working on, and have had no problems.
Henrys cat:
Just a point which is bothering me in all this, and thats the oil.You say that only 3l was unaccounted for, but if that was put in a lorry engine which was to the max mark on the dipstick, it wouldn’t cause the seals to blow. You would need a fair bit more. Sounds like a garage issue to me.
We have run engines well over the full mark, due to the gradients they were working on, and have had no problems.
Thank you - that is the info that other ‘Experts’ have also stated - a 1 gallon overfill will not cause what happened - I’ve had my suspicions that this was down to the garage who are covering their backs
Proving it though is another issue
ROG:
Henrys cat:
Just a point which is bothering me in all this, and thats the oil.You say that only 3l was unaccounted for, but if that was put in a lorry engine which was to the max mark on the dipstick, it wouldn’t cause the seals to blow. You would need a fair bit more. Sounds like a garage issue to me.
We have run engines well over the full mark, due to the gradients they were working on, and have had no problems.
Thank you - that is the info that other ‘Experts’ have also stated - a 1 gallon overfill will not cause what happened - I’ve had my suspicions that this was down to the garage who are covering their backs
Proving it though is another issue
The drivers Responsibilty still to check it before you use it ?
And if overfull report it to the boss and if he sais it’s ok use it…
Leave the final decision to him.
This way you cover your ■■■ so was it overfull when you checked it…
The buck i am afraid still stops with the Driver / Instructor even if they never overfilled the truck. But Failed to check it.
But Still Used It … 
You did not cover your back 
26 years an Lgv Trainer:
ROG:
Henrys cat:
Just a point which is bothering me in all this, and thats the oil.You say that only 3l was unaccounted for, but if that was put in a lorry engine which was to the max mark on the dipstick, it wouldn’t cause the seals to blow. You would need a fair bit more. Sounds like a garage issue to me.
We have run engines well over the full mark, due to the gradients they were working on, and have had no problems.
Thank you - that is the info that other ‘Experts’ have also stated - a 1 gallon overfill will not cause what happened - I’ve had my suspicions that this was down to the garage who are covering their backs
Proving it though is another issue
The drivers Responsibilty still to check it before you use it ?
And if overfull report it to the boss and if he sais it’s ok use it…
Leave the final decision to him.
This way you cover your ■■■ so was it overfull when you checked it…
The buck i am afraid still stops with the Driver / Instructor even if they never overfilled the truck. But Failed to check it.
So we’re back to the same conclusion of why was Rog sacked instead of the other instructor who failed to do the check?
The drivers Responsibilty still to check it before you use it ?
And if overfull report it to the boss and if he sais it’s ok use it…
Leave the final decision to him.
This way you cover your ■■■ so was it overfull when you checked it…
The buck i am afraid still stops with the Driver / Instructor even if they never overfilled the truck. But Failed to check it.
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So we’re back to the same conclusion of why was Rog sacked instead of the other instructor who failed to do the check?
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Well they upheld the Sacking.
There must be a little more to this than we have been told.
I guess we will never know ? The Real Fact’s… As they say No Smoke Without Fire…
Henrys cat:
so we’re back to the same conclusion of why was Rog sacked instead of the other instructor who failed to do the check?
That seems exactly what the TRIBUNAL were also wondering but they did not have the power like a COURT to make a ruling on that.
Just to prove that some people do not read but others do - the training company where I had an interview and an assessment of my driving and instructional techniques today, laughed their heads off when they read the 11 pages of the summing up - they were as confused as all of us as (except one who seems to know better) as to the ridiculous outcome of this.
I wonder what time I will be starting my new temp LGV instructor job next monday
so you got the job then ROG ?
neil46:
so you got the job then ROG ?
YUP - only temp as needed but it looks like being very busy for at least the next 4 to 8 weeks 
It will then depend on how much work they get.
wheres the banner when you need one. 
at least it is something.
ROG:
neil46:
so you got the job then ROG ?YUP - only temp as needed but it looks like being very busy for at least the next 4 to 8 weeks
It will then depend on how much work they get.
CONGRATULATIONS on your new job
dieseldave:
ROG:
neil46:
so you got the job then ROG ?YUP - only temp as needed but it looks like being very busy for at least the next 4 to 8 weeks
It will then depend on how much work they get.
SO NOW We know who to blame for the snow
Congratulations ROG,bout time you had a bit of good luck.
Simon 
ROG:
neil46:
so you got the job then ROG ?YUP - only temp as needed but it looks like being very busy for at least the next 4 to 8 weeks
It will then depend on how much work they get.
burnie1:
Job Title
LGV DRIVING INSTRUCTOR
PEX/29062LocationBORDON, HAMPSHIRE
HoursMONDAY - FRIDAY 0800 - 1600
Wage 23,000 PER ANNUM
Work PatternDays
EmployerJ Coates HGV Services Limited
Employer RefBordonClosing Date28/02/2009
PensionNo details heldDurationPERMANENT ONLY
Description
You will be very motivated, punctual and reliable You will be training new LGV drivers to pass the DSA driving test to gain licences C & C+E. Ideally you will be on the DSA register however full training will be given to the right candidates. You must have a Category C+E licence and held it for more than 3 years. The contract that you will be working on is for 3 years but will be extended for another 2 years if the work being carried out is to a high standard. Further opportunities are available within the business along with progressive personal developmentHow to apply
You can apply for this job by telephoning 0116 2513074 and asking for Mary Randle.-If you are looking for work, Tax Credits could top up your earnings
-This vacancy meets the requirements of the National Minimum Wage ActThinking of applying for this myself. Being a self employed instructor seems a bit tricky at the moment
I wonder who my new LOCAL employer will be 
Well done ROG!!
Chuffed for you mate!!
Any chance you can do my C+E?
LOL
spd0121:
Well done ROG!!Chuffed for you mate!!
Any chance you can do my C+E?
LOL
If you want to B&B in Leicester for a week… 
Well done ROG
Hope this one works out for you and keeps you busy
Hi Rog,
I’m so glad you got the job. Congratulations!
OIL not be seeing you on here in the daytimes then
