The RHA

The RHA represents the trucking ‘industry’ if you like.

It’s membership consists of haulage companies rather than drivers.

They lobby government for better conditions for their members.

So as drivers, we end up with up to 15 hour shifts, often at straight time, no overtime rate, just work right thru, have a 9 hour rest too if you have one available.

People don’t want to do this. Who would sign up to this.

A working day from 9am til midnight? Then 9 hrs. off and do it all again. Are you having a laugh?

Drivers have simply voted with their feet and walked away. Who wouldn’t to be honest.

You created the problem now you expect anyone who will listen to fix it.

Shame on you.

Either get another job or crack on. You weren’t forced to go into the industry.

From what I can see allot of drivers want to do 15 hrs ( pay ) , but not 15 hrs worth of work

Londontrucker123:
The RHA represents the trucking ‘industry’ if you like.

It’s membership consists of haulage companies rather than drivers.

They lobby government for better conditions for their members.

So as drivers, we end up with up to 15 hour shifts, often at straight time, no overtime rate, just work right thru, have a 9 hour rest too if you have one available.

People don’t want to do this. Who would sign up to this.

A working day from 9am til midnight? Then 9 hrs. off and do it all again. Are you having a laugh?

Drivers have simply voted with their feet and walked away. Who wouldn’t to be honest.

You created the problem now you expect anyone who will listen to fix it.

Shame on you.

I had hardly heard of these halfwits till they started screaming for cheap EE labour. Which isn’t coming back. Im afraid that money the hauliers were all marking down for that top of the range lexus will have to go on propping up your garbage 13 quid an hour flat rate for 14 hours.

But dont cry - I hear the ford fiestas look good this year.

Time someone started something similar for drivers not hauliers. And no, not a union because half the drivers on UK roads are Tories, so just a nice little pressure group.

The RHA are scum, they undermine drivers pay and have recently manufactured the whole fuel shortage to force the Tories to u-turn on East European labour. They also have useless management software that flags drivers for infringements for months later putting them into red panic zones for removing a tacho card at the wrong time or doing manual entries wrong far outside of the window that VOSA would even consider a fine.

Some fair pay and conditions would be:
-60 hours minimum rest per week.
-72 hours normal rest.
-4 on for 4 off industry norm.
-6 hours normal driving per day. Over 6 hours time and a half, over 8 hours double time.
-Accept HGV driving is semi-skilled at least equal to being a brick-layer.
-Make motorway overnight parking free and provide more parking and cleaner facilities.
-Paid for rest breaks, or vehicle left unattended.
-Instead of complaining about rubbish by the road actually provide bins and even recycling in lay-bys, god forbid a toilet and sink.
-Bring back 7.5t on car licence, make an apprentice scheme so new drivers can make career progress.
-Make CPC have an actual national curriculum, not lazy nonsense made up by different training providers.
-Encourage women and minorities into the profession.

Anything else?

dozy:
From what I can see allot of drivers want to do 15 hrs ( pay ) , but not 15 hrs worth of work

This is the biggest troll on TNUK .

metrorider:
Either get another job or crack on. You weren’t forced to go into the industry.

600,000 drivers have already done just that. This is why we’re in this situation. In case you didn’t notice, that mentality hasn’t worked very well.

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roadcruiser:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/the-real-shortage-we-face-is-political-honesty-brian-monteith-3397090#disqus-comment-section

Quite a good article.

^^^ that really is an excellent article, right on the nail

i’d like to read the comments but appears you have to register or subscribe to do so.

roadcruiser:
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/the-real-shortage-we-face-is-political-honesty-brian-monteith-3397090#disqus-comment-section

The real shortage we face is political honesty - Brian Monteith
There really is a great deal of exaggerated nonsense being talked-up about shortages in our economy and then being reported mischievously. There is no fuel shortage, but there is a shortage of political honesty.
By Brian Monteith
Monday, 27th September 2021, 4:55 am
Updated
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HAVE YOUR SAY
The scares we have been witnessing – and maybe some readers have experienced – of shortages of a favourite marmalade in the grocer’s or fuel at the forecourt have longstanding origins – but that means nothing when they can be used to energise a political campaign that would rather create grievances and spread genuine hardship than find solutions that make life harmonious.

It has come as a great surprise to many that there is, all of a sudden, a shortage of HGV drivers able to ensure supermarket shelves are stacked – but it is no surprise to me. For the last four or more years people have been telling me this development would come – and interestingly all of them have been supporters of Brexit rather than opponents inventing yet another scare. You see Brexit is not the cause of the shortage so many would like to claim it is, all Brexit has done is remove the cloak that hid the appalling de-skilling and mistreatment of drivers in the road haulage industry.

Those behind the wheel have too often been mistreated and taken for granted at the hands of some employers driven only by greed, forgetting their duty of care is a better route to delivering improved and sustainable profits. Meanwhile officious bureaucrats and lazy disinterested politicians only ever interested in the next headline have been unwilling to heed the warnings that a perfect storm was heading our way.

Queues of cars were spotted at the Tesco fuel station in ■■■■■■■■■■■ on Friday.
Queues of cars were spotted at the Tesco fuel station in ■■■■■■■■■■■ on Friday.
Back in 2017 the late Bob Durward, a highly successful Scottish businessman who originally started out in haulage used to assure me ordinary British drivers were being forced into early retirement or switching to other jobs due to the masses of East European drivers being recruited on very low wages once their countries acceded to the EU and they could take advantage of free movement of labour. He predicted huge problems ahead because adaptable smaller family haulage firms were being put out of business and we were not training enough new drivers to tackle natural wastage, never mind any shock that might come from EU drivers choosing to stay away.

Last year June Slater, a retired businesswoman I keep in touch with and in contact with hundreds of British drivers through her special Facebook group, reported similar and compelling concerns to me, only now we were in the middle of the government’s lockdown in response to the Covid pandemic.

Large numbers of East European drivers were either caught in the continent or, given the harrowing and unpredictable circumstances they faced, preferred to be with their families. What would happen when travel became possible? She predicted most would not come back – not least because the UK Government’s tax policy IR35 for self-employed people would impact on the thousands of foreign HGV drivers who work through agencies. They had their tax liability deferred for a year but it would now be due on arrival in Britain, while some faced repayments of £10,000 from Covid grants a loophole had allowed them to claim.

This is where blaming Brexit can be seen as nonsense. The undeniable fact is there are huge shortages of HGV drivers in the rest of Europe too (for similar reasons as those in the UK) amounting to 400,000 in the EU 27 – with the highest being 45,000 in Germany and 20,000 in France. Why would a Czech driver wish to pick up work in the UK and face a tax bill run-up from previous years when there is enough work in the rest of the continent that is cost free? The driver shortage in EU members states is not caused by Brexit and the unwillingness of self-employed drivers to come back to Britain is not caused by Brexit. Temporary visas are therefore not the answer.

Last year there was a drop of 42,658 LGV tests in the UK. The DVSA and DVLA’s outstanding HGV licence examinations have nothing to do with Brexit and are entirely a product of the Covid lockdowns with home working, social distancing rules and associated strikes at the agencies.

The last straw for many HGV drivers was the treatment they received during the national and local lockdowns – as if they were the carriers of a plague rather than critical workers ensuring our foods, fuel (and toilet rolls) were getting to us. They found their motorway toilets and showers locked up, their canteens closed and even supermarkets refusing to let them use the staff facilities after a long drive to get supplies delivered. Now, many drivers are finding they are due a routine medical but cannot get a doctor’s appointment so their licence can be renewed.

If you take a step back from what’s happening in the supermarkets, the forecourts and in the meeting rooms of lobbyists pushing their vested interests upon the government – where nobody is there to speak up for the consumer or wider public – what we see is Brexit has had a role, but it is not the one being tweeted by BBC reporters, SNP politicians or the big corporations. Brexit’s role has simply been to put power back in the hands of the ordinary British workers, who were taken advantage of for so long and are willing to get back on the road – but find government incompetence and mendacious opposition leaders politicising the remedies. Brexit has made visible the dishonesty of our political elite.

The answer is to clear the administrative barriers, pay decent wages and welcome the British drivers back to the job they used to do.

Good article.

One thing - that guy only noticed things changing in2017? HGV pay rates on agency in 2007 were minimum wage. Was it migrants who caused that?

JeffA:
Good article.

One thing - that guy only noticed things changing in2017? HGV pay rates on agency in 2007 were minimum wage. Was it migrants who caused that?

Yes. They started to come here from 2004 and in that first year over 100,000 arrived. Flat rate with no overtime Monday to Friday was already becoming the norm.

JeffA:

Londontrucker123:
The RHA represents the trucking ‘industry’ if you like.

It’s membership consists of haulage companies rather than drivers.

They lobby government for better conditions for their members.

So as drivers, we end up with up to 15 hour shifts, often at straight time, no overtime rate, just work right thru, have a 9 hour rest too if you have one available.

People don’t want to do this. Who would sign up to this.

A working day from 9am til midnight? Then 9 hrs. off and do it all again. Are you having a laugh?

Drivers have simply voted with their feet and walked away. Who wouldn’t to be honest.

You created the problem now you expect anyone who will listen to fix it.

Shame on you.

I had hardly heard of these halfwits till they started screaming for cheap EE labour. Which isn’t coming back. Im afraid that money the hauliers were all marking down for that top of the range lexus will have to go on propping up your garbage 13 quid an hour flat rate for 14 hours.

But dont cry - I hear the ford fiestas look good this year.

The Road Haulage Association have been around since the 1930’s They were made up of small hauliers and operators so they had a voice, much of which they did had benefits for all in road transport, their greatest triumph was publishing the 1960’s Black Book, an updated version of the haulage rate schedule from 1948.

The published rate schedule was abandoned in 1974 due to the Restrictive Trade Practices Act, a sort of price fixing prevention.

The RHA didn’t set the drivers hour regulations, they were agreed between all the EU member states and amalgamated with the AETR areas, all that meant is that everyone is now using the same song sheet.

Not surprisingly RHA has a lot to answer too,BUT there are a few reasons why they have got away with it until now, lack of investment in training,relying on Drivers to fork out for their licence,EU cheap labour,and Drivers themselves for giving the Profession a bad name,ever wonder young ones dont want to join the industry, Media news about bad drivers travels faster than good news,after all how many times do you hear anything good,not very often. Some Drovers (cab rats)would work 24 hrs a day for £10 an hour if they could,as long as they get a new motor with all the gizmos. Always been the same for as long as I can remember. A new motor no wage rise or wage rise no new motor, two guess which many would choose.
When I started in the "game"when ever the mention of money came up the Bosss the usual response was "I pay Road Haulage rates",after all RHA was and still is a cartel of Haulage Bosss.
Even when there was a so called national strike to get the princely sum of £1 p/h there was drivers breaking the picket lines because they worked for a “family firm” who paid them a low wage BUT gave them a bag of spuds and veg off their farm as and when they asked,instead of sticking it out with the rest.
Rant over,thank you.

The RHA is a lobby group for the haulage industry.
It is in their members interests to ensure labour is cheap and drivers can work long hours.

I’ve just checked the accounts for the RHA. All of their 20+ Directors have either a recruitment agency or a transport company.

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Asad_uk:
I’ve just checked the accounts for the RHA. All of their 20+ Directors have either a recruitment agency or a transport company.

find-and-update.company-informa … y/00391886

Does not surpise me. Maybe the RHA needs some proper investigative journalism done into it.

adam277:
The RHA is a lobby group for the haulage industry.
It is in their members interests to ensure labour is cheap and drivers can work long hours.

False economy to pay drivers when the wheels aren’t turning and they can only turn for 45 hours per fortnight per driver.
Unless you intend to employ the driver in a different role during the downtime or make the hourly rate low enough to actually not be paying the driver at all during the downtime.
This country’s economy has been based on the false premise that low incomes mean more econimic growth for decades.

Conor:

JeffA:
Good article.

One thing - that guy only noticed things changing in2017? HGV pay rates on agency in 2007 were minimum wage. Was it migrants who caused that?

Yes. They started to come here from 2004 and in that first year over 100,000 arrived. Flat rate with no overtime Monday to Friday was already becoming the norm.

Not 100,000 truck drivers tho. So wages collapsed from good to minimum wage within 3 years?