The immigration minister says immigration is out of control because of the ‘old system’ and that new policies will change it all.However the latest figures are made up of a large proportion of east europeans who this bunch of zb’s,just like all the others before them,made possible by supporting the enlargement of the EU which leaves the door open to every new eu state east european who wants to come here in addition to those from outside the EU,from ex ‘commonwealth’ countries over the years,that declared themselves independent years ago.In the long term it will probably mean that the ethnic Asian,African and East European immigrant communities will all be fighting amongst themselves for control of the country’s government and the only thing that they will all agree on is deportation of the minority ex indigenous population. 
Carryfast:
The immigration minister says immigration is out of control because of the ‘old system’ and that new policies will change it all.However the latest figures are made up of a large proportion of east europeans who this bunch of zb’s,just like all the others before them,made possible by supporting the enlargement of the EU which leaves the door open to every new eu state east european who wants to come here in addition to those from outside the EU,from ex ‘commonwealth’ countries over the years,that declared themselves independent years ago.In the long term it will probably mean that the ethnic Asian,African and East European immigrant communities will all be fighting amongst themselves for control of the country’s government and the only thing that they will all agree on is deportation of the minority ex indigenous population.
Carryfast,
Sorry mate, but I’m wondering whether your logic stacks up?
Would it actually have made any difference if the UK had voted against the last EU enlargement?
Who decides EU immigration policy? (Maybe it’s the EU 
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UK immigration policy (as it relates to the Commonwealth) just might be decided in a different way by somebody else.
Is there actually a link between the two policies as your post seems to suggest?
An interesting comment on a question posed on a Road Transport message board
Graham commented on the lack of understanding by the public about the road transport industry and suggested the Polish may return home when their own economy picks up.
Graham, as a Pole I can’t see a mass exodus of Polish drivers from the UK / ROI. The economic situation in Poland is very bad. Most hauliers are hardly breaking even. Working conditions for the drivers are bad and the salaries are kept at a fairly low level due to a strong inflow of Ukrainian drivers.
dieseldave:
Carryfast:
The immigration minister says immigration is out of control because of the ‘old system’ and that new policies will change it all.However the latest figures are made up of a large proportion of east europeans who this bunch of zb’s,just like all the others before them,made possible by supporting the enlargement of the EU which leaves the door open to every new eu state east european who wants to come here in addition to those from outside the EU,from ex ‘commonwealth’ countries over the years,that declared themselves independent years ago.In the long term it will probably mean that the ethnic Asian,African and East European immigrant communities will all be fighting amongst themselves for control of the country’s government and the only thing that they will all agree on is deportation of the minority ex indigenous population.Carryfast,
Sorry mate, but I’m wondering whether your logic stacks up?
Would it actually have made any difference if the UK had voted against the last EU enlargement?
Who decides EU immigration policy? (Maybe it’s the EU
UK immigration policy (as it relates to the Commonwealth) just might be decided in a different way by somebody else.Is there actually a link between the two policies as your post seems to suggest?
The fact is it’s the opposite to what you’ve put there in that Britain actually ‘supported’ EU enlargement to include the east european states and just like any other issue we’ve still,so far,got the choice to say if we can’t run the place according to our national interest then zb it we’ll leave the EU.Simples.But as we’ve seen before the Brit government is prepared to put the interests of a few profiteering middle men in business in looking for cheap labour over the national interest.Then to add insult to injury we’ve got some hypocritical zb of a government minister saying that they’ll now fix the problem .
But with the way it’s going how long before Britain could find itself in the situation of being in a federal europe,run by a majority east european government,and facing the same situation as the southern US states did during the US civil war when they decided,too late,that enough was enough. That’s assuming we have’nt already had our own government taken over by the Asian majority who then decide to ask for help from their lot and China to get control of the place instead of the east europeans.
Immigration policy ‘as it relates to the commonwealth’ has been decided on exactly the same priorities as EU enlargement in that we would have had much higher paid workers in many sectors of the economy if we had’nt imported cheap labour from the so called commonwealth countries from a so called ‘commonwealth’ that no longer exists and which is why it’s always been more difficult for a Brit to emigrate to Canada or Australia than an ethnic African or Asian to come here 
Carryfast,
I guess the second part of what you wrote answers my second question, but why the diatribe to answer my first simple question?
I simply asked what differece it would have made etc, but is there an answer somewhere in what you wrote?
If there is, could you point it out please?
dieseldave:
Carryfast,
I guess the second part of what you wrote answers my second question, but why the diatribe to answer my first simple question?I simply asked what differece it would have made etc, but is there an answer somewhere in what you wrote?
If there is, could you point it out please?
I’m not sure but think that we had a veto as majority voting in the eu was’nt in force at that time 
and don’t think that they’ve even taken away Britain’s right of veto even yet .So the scenario that I’m saying is have the sphericals to say no then invoke the veto and if that does’nt work then out.Simples.In which case the issue of open door east european economic immigration would’nt have existed .
On the subject of the ex commonwealth/empire countries it should have been a case of being a part of the commonwealth does’nt mean that you’re British with rights to a British passport and workpermit just as is the case with Canada etc now.But it seems a bit of a co incidence that the poor states of the old commonwealth seemed to have been given far more rights for their citizens to be able to come here to live and work,even after independence,than we were given to live and work in the more prosperous states like Canada and Australia.Probably a case of Britain not wanting to lose it’s workforce to better paying countries and those countries looking after their national interest by stopping cheaper labour pressures on their economies which is exactly the opposite to Britain’s position in going for the cheap labour option every time.
Oh well Carryfast, I’ll try for third time lucky… 
You wrote: “I’m not sure but …”
However, you first post in this topic seems to have you pretty sure of what you were saying, which left me wondering:
Would it actually have made any difference if the UK had voted against the last EU enlargement?
A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will do just fine please. A relevant explanation or opinion based on your answer is optional. 
dieseldave:
Oh well Carryfast, I’ll try for third time lucky…You wrote: “I’m not sure but …”
However, you first post in this topic seems to have you pretty sure of what you were saying, which left me wondering:
Would it actually have made any difference if the UK had voted against the last EU enlargement?
A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will do just fine please. A relevant explanation or opinion based on your answer is optional.
Yes.
In just the same way that it would have made a difference if people had listened to ministers like Enoch Powell concerning the previous mistakes of allowing the rush for cheap labour to override the national interest in the long term.
I think that I am sure enough to have put what I said concerning the fact that ‘if’ Britain had’nt agreed to the enlargement of the EU,to include the east european states,it would have had the right to have veto’d the decision and/or leave the EU that’s ‘if’ the place was being run by a government working in the national interest and ‘if’ that government then stuck to it’s guns in being committed to that policy.
However history shows that successive British governments always put the interests of big employers in going for the cheap labour option every time rather than being bothered about the national interest and future social fabric and the national cohesion of the place.Which is why the country is probably heading for the fate of the old Yugoslavia in the long term on the same flawed basis as Tito built that state on.You can try to keep a lid on social tensions between different ethnic groups by forced pc integration but history proves that in the end it always ends in tears.