The future they have planned for you and why

switchlogic:
No, everyone as in everyone. You don’t have the balls to put your real name to your opinions so frankly who’s knows what’s true with you. I suspect your work history is true as it’s so deathly dull

Carryfast:
Good luck with your chosen clearly far left ideology.

Nice of you to back up my comments with your latest fabrication

Where do the forum rules say only real id’s are allowed to post not usernames ?.
There’s something very strange about anyone moaning about posters’ maintaining their confidentiality on a public forum.
Not far left says the person who is predictably throwing around the far right and conspiracy theorist labels at your opposition.
The net is closing on your commy friends and hopefully with it an end to western appeasement of that stinking evil regime and ideology both external and within.Which probably explains why even Commies like Russel Brand are now jumping ship and questioning their own when Trump was called a racist for daring to suggest similar.Accident bs. :unamused:

youtube.com/watch?v=0kRyu2qoHQE

youtube.com/watch?v=2LgGPygFHh4

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
Good luck with your chosen clearly far left ideology.

Nice of you to back up my comments with your latest fabrication

CF`s ideas of “far left” should be contextualised:

“Until you realise that the Nazis weren’t Nationalists they were no less Soviet style Socialists”
So if he thinks nazis are soviet style socialists, being thought as having a “far left ideology” could still leave you being a tad to the right of Attila the Hun.

Juddian:
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Thought this might fit in nicely here

You see, seriously for a moment…

My mind doesn’t accept anything blindly, on face value. The newspapers have an agenda. The politicians have an agenda. The news channels have an agenda. The man on the Clapham Omnibus has opinions.

I truly believe that non of the above tell, or know, the whole truth. Each has an agenda, and will only tell you that, which fits their agenda. The man on the Clapham Omnibus doesn’t know either, because he gets his knowledge from biased sources…

I don’t believe Covid is a hoax. Its real. Its serious. But how serious, we don’t know yet. Period. Many people died. But they do every year. We were fed a daily death march of how many people died “with Covid” , but seem to have completely forgotten about people dying “with cancer”, "with Pneumonia ", “with old age”, or even "with a car accident ".
A case in point, the recent India strain, “loverwhelming the Indian Health service”… I don’t have the statistics, but in a population of over a billion people, the percentage is low. What gets me, and this is where I loose the narrative, is that this is shown as the virus being a big problem, that is getting out of control. No, it is not. A third world country, with a vast majority of its population living in impoverished conditions, with ramparts racism affecting every day life, spending most of its money on a nuclear capable military, (because it has a minor dispute with a neighbour), and a space programme (yes, you couldn’t make it up…), is what is the problem there.

I, don’t know what is true. I do know that I did not see bodies pile up in the street. We did not see daily images of refrigerated lorries waiting outside crematoriums to dispose of the dead. We were told that the NHS was nearly collapsing, but the Nightingale hospitals were empty…

I know that something needed to be done. The first lock down, was a reaction to an unknown situation, and probably the right one, at the time. Should we have damaged the economy and peoples (mental) health even more with the subsequent lock downs? I don’t know, but I don’t think it saved more lives than it has ( and still will) cost.

I don’t believe the conspiracy theories. It is simply to far fetched. And if they are true, than its far bigger than the man on the Clapham Omnibus can ever hope to de with. Sometimes (informed) ignorance is bliss…

the nodding donkey:

Juddian:
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Thought this might fit in nicely here

You see, seriously for a moment…

My mind doesn’t accept anything blindly, on face value. The newspapers have an agenda. The politicians have an agenda. The news channels have an agenda. The man on the Clapham Omnibus has opinions.

I truly believe that non of the above tell, or know, the whole truth. Each has an agenda, and will only tell you that, which fits their agenda. The man on the Clapham Omnibus doesn’t know either, because he gets his knowledge from biased sources…

I don’t believe Covid is a hoax. Its real. Its serious. But how serious, we don’t know yet. Period. Many people died. But they do every year. We were fed a daily death march of how many people died “with Covid” , but seem to have completely forgotten about people dying “with cancer”, "with Pneumonia ", “with old age”, or even "with a car accident ".
A case in point, the recent India strain, “loverwhelming the Indian Health service”… I don’t have the statistics, but in a population of over a billion people, the percentage is low. What gets me, and this is where I loose the narrative, is that this is shown as the virus being a big problem, that is getting out of control. No, it is not. A third world country, with a vast majority of its population living in impoverished conditions, with ramparts racism affecting every day life, spending most of its money on a nuclear capable military, (because it has a minor dispute with a neighbour), and a space programme (yes, you couldn’t make it up…), is what is the problem there.

I, don’t know what is true. I do know that I did not see bodies pile up in the street. We did not see daily images of refrigerated lorries waiting outside crematoriums to dispose of the dead. We were told that the NHS was nearly collapsing, but the Nightingale hospitals were empty…

I know that something needed to be done. The first lock down, was a reaction to an unknown situation, and probably the right one, at the time. Should we have damaged the economy and peoples (mental) health even more with the subsequent lock downs? I don’t know, but I don’t think it saved more lives than it has ( and still will) cost.

I don’t believe the conspiracy theories. It is simply to far fetched. And if they are true, than its far bigger than the man on the Clapham Omnibus can ever hope to de with. Sometimes (informed) ignorance is bliss…

Jeez whatever next…, a non far fetched sensible, non crazy, non ridiculous conspiracy theory on this thread. :open_mouth:
Here’s a curveball, just for one second can the paranoid just play along with me.

So… let’s all imagine that the pandemic IS real, (albeit grossly exaggerated for various agendas to be achieved) so it needs to be medically addressed,.as all other ailments, diseases and epidemics have in the past.

Let’s also imagine the vaccine that has been developed, although somewhat rapidly, is JUST a vaccine.l :bulb:
And maybe IF it works,.we can all get on resuming a normal life, mainly of the social variety.

I’m getting my second jab next week,.I’ll keep you all posted if I start interfering electrically with the telly when I walk into a room, develop characteristics of a chimp, or if my boat race turns into a rubber mask to reveal a lizard’s head, with full flappy tongue.
Anyway, back to you lot.

Btw…@ Juddian, no disrespect to you personally mate, seeing as you started the thread, and I normally agree on here with most or all you say on other subjects, but this time we’re poles apart, so no offence intended.

Nodding Donkey, standing ovation mate, you get it, or rather like most of us capable of independent thought you acknowledge there’s a virus or disease about that appears (in my opinion) to be a fairly bad case of the flu…which has mysteriously disappeared of late…but have doubts about the scale of the reaction/destruction levelled at the country (read ots of countries) after the first few weeks when it became apparent to anyone awake that we weren’t dealing with bubonic plague.

Robroy, no offence taken, yes we are poles apart, am i paranoid? maybe so, but could those who have submitted and gone along with whatever is decreed for various reasons also be paranoid, i don’t know who’s right or wrong, what is of concern is how quickly so many have complied without question, what will they be prepared to do in compliance after another few years of constant pressure and round the clock and in some cases hysterical reporting.
As it stands no one not in the inside bubble knows whats coming next, in maybe 10 years time the outcomes will be known, whether we’ll still be in a position to or actually able phsically or mentally to speak about this subject we don’t know.

What happens next will be interesting, you can see the rhetoric being ramped up in the usual sources to get the vaccinated public in agreement with the govts reaction to pressure those who don’t want to be part of the current medical trial to submit, how far the govt is prepared to go when enough of the useful people with a media voice start calling for various punishments, a possible apartheid solution to the problem of the unvaccinated, or even forced injections or incarceration, is the big question, its already started by the way, the usual media luvvy suspects revealing their new (or maybe not so new) armbands…am currently sourcing yellow stars to sew on my sleeves.

Juddian:
acknowledge there’s a virus or disease about that appears (in my opinion) to be a fairly bad case of the flu…which has mysteriously disappeared of late…

Yeah baffling how it just ‘disappeared’. For ‘no’ apparent reason :smiley:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
No, everyone as in everyone. You don’t have the balls to put your real name to your opinions so frankly who’s knows what’s true with you. I suspect your work history is true as it’s so deathly dull

Carryfast:
Good luck with your chosen clearly far left ideology.

Nice of you to back up my comments with your latest fabrication

Where do the forum rules say only real id’s are allowed to post not usernames ?.
There’s something very strange about anyone moaning about posters’ maintaining their confidentiality on a public forum.
Not far left says the person who is predictably throwing around the far right and conspiracy theorist labels at your opposition.
The net is closing on your commy friends and hopefully with it an end to western appeasement of that stinking evil regime and ideology both external and within.Which probably explains why even Commies like Russel Brand are now jumping ship and questioning their own when Trump was called a racist for daring to suggest similar.Accident bs. :unamused:

youtube.com/watch?v=0kRyu2qoHQE

youtube.com/watch?v=2LgGPygFHh4

Carryfast:
Where do the forum rules say only real id’s are allowed to post not usernames

Didn’t claim there was and don’t think it’s should be a requirement

Carryfast:
Not far left says the person who is predictably throwing around the far right

Where did I call anyone ‘far right’? More lies.

Carryfast:
There’s something very strange about anyone moaning about posters’ maintaining their confidentiality on a public forum.

Suppose I’ll have to say this another five or six times before you get it. It’s not a moan, it’s an observation, about why people don’t take you seriously. You’re comical chap, you’re the forum joke, I don’t care enough for it to be a moan. In the grand scheme of things we’re all insignificant nobodies yelling into the void. Just some of you seem to think your views have any power. None of it matters, especially when posted by members that are so spineless they won’t put their name to their bigoted opinions. You’re a textbook internet big mouth, all talk no substance.

Carry on old chap, I’ve told you before it’s entertaining and I hope you continue

the nodding donkey:

Juddian:
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Thought this might fit in nicely here

You see, seriously for a moment…

My mind doesn’t accept anything blindly, on face value. The newspapers have an agenda. The politicians have an agenda. The news channels have an agenda. The man on the Clapham Omnibus has opinions.

I truly believe that non of the above tell, or know, the whole truth. Each has an agenda, and will only tell you that, which fits their agenda. The man on the Clapham Omnibus doesn’t know either, because he gets his knowledge from biased sources…

I don’t believe Covid is a hoax. Its real. Its serious. But how serious, we don’t know yet. Period. Many people died. But they do every year. We were fed a daily death march of how many people died “with Covid” , but seem to have completely forgotten about people dying “with cancer”, "with Pneumonia ", “with old age”, or even "with a car accident ".
A case in point, the recent India strain, “loverwhelming the Indian Health service”… I don’t have the statistics, but in a population of over a billion people, the percentage is low. What gets me, and this is where I loose the narrative, is that this is shown as the virus being a big problem, that is getting out of control. No, it is not. A third world country, with a vast majority of its population living in impoverished conditions, with ramparts racism affecting every day life, spending most of its money on a nuclear capable military, (because it has a minor dispute with a neighbour), and a space programme (yes, you couldn’t make it up…), is what is the problem there.

I, don’t know what is true. I do know that I did not see bodies pile up in the street. We did not see daily images of refrigerated lorries waiting outside crematoriums to dispose of the dead. We were told that the NHS was nearly collapsing, but the Nightingale hospitals were empty…

I know that something needed to be done. The first lock down, was a reaction to an unknown situation, and probably the right one, at the time. Should we have damaged the economy and peoples (mental) health even more with the subsequent lock downs? I don’t know, but I don’t think it saved more lives than it has ( and still will) cost.

I don’t believe the conspiracy theories. It is simply to far fetched. And if they are true, than its far bigger than the man on the Clapham Omnibus can ever hope to de with. Sometimes (informed) ignorance is bliss…

Good post.

“The newspapers have an agenda. The politicians have an agenda. The news channels have an agenda.”
Yes.
Some seek to intensify and sensationalize issues to sell papers or encourage clicks to sell ads.
Some seek to minimize any risk to workers, so they can keep the drones working, and travelling on buses, whilst the share holders sit in isolated villas.
Some do try to be accurate and balanced, but we all have prejudices, and no-one is ever fully independent of their own history.
All we can do is try to see all viewpoints and try to allow for bias whether deliberate or not.

"We were fed a daily death march of how many people died “with Covid” , but seem to have completely forgotten about people dying “with cancer”, "with Pneumonia ", “with old age”, or even "with a car accident “”
The interesting figures for me were the “Excess Mortality” figures. They dont get involved with whether or not any one death is due 100% or 90% or whatever due to C19, but looks at the big picture. Since we had about 70,000 extra deaths above what we would expect, I reckon that is real and significant. Its like smoking and cancer: some non smokers get cancer, some smokers live long without cancer, but we can see that populations who smoke more get more cases of cancer. We don`t need a detailed analysis of each and every cause of death to see that smoking is a significant cause of cancer.
bbc.com/news/uk-55631693
Or a very detailed source here
app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoi … IsImMiOjh9

Many tens of thousands more deaths than expected in 2020. And that is in spite of the lock down minimizing the spread of the virus.
…What else could have caused these excess deaths?
…Wouldn`t it have been worse without the measures taken?

“A case in point, the recent India strain, “loverwhelming the Indian Health service”… I don’t have the statistics, but in a population of over a billion people, the percentage is low. What gets me, and this is where I loose the narrative, is that this is shown as the virus being a big problem, that is getting out of control. No, it is not. A third world country, with a vast majority of its population living in impoverished conditions, with ramparts racism affecting every day life, spending most of its money on a nuclear capable military, (because it has a minor dispute with a neighbour), and a space programme (yes, you couldn’t make it up…), is what is the problem there.”
Im not going to argue at all about the appropriateness of a country spending on bombs when it has such poverty and is institutionally racist.........But that is irrelevant to C19. Lets keep to one subject.
The level of COVID in the country areas is likely under reported due to lack of infrastructure and health care. Why go to a Dr with COVID if you cant afford treatment? cant afford time off work? can`t isolate because you live in cramped conditions?
It is a confusing picture.
bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56934826

Carryfast:

Juddian:
The Deadly COVID-19 Vaccine Coverup — Virginia Stoner Writing & Art

Dead safe are covid vaccines

Yep they were obviously briefed to expect collateral casualties.
As would be expected if the defence chiefs of staff advised by Porton Down had briefed the Health Minister that it’s a desperate throw of the dice in response to a weaponised chimera release. :bulb:
No answer yet from the resident experts like Franglais as to why the need to instruct our own cells to produce the Covid Spike Protein.Why not just inject it directly to create the same supposed required immune ‘response’.
Porton Down’s interest in all this isn’t conspiracy theory it’s fact.
But it’s just coincidence.It’s just a civilian medical facility.
Nothing to see here.
It’s probably going to be a bad winter this year and I don’t mean the weather.Hopefully I’m wrong.But I’ll probably take the second shot on the basis that resistance is futile nothing to lose either way and I’m reaching the conclusion that the pharma interest is just a diversionary smoke screen for the same reasons that the the government won’t call a chimera release spade a spade.Musn’t upset the Communists by suggesting that they are liars.
Nor spook the sheep.Make em think it’s all a natural occurrence and a normal civilian medical response to it.
bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-52684295

youtube.com/watch?v=sIyMnVWYrwk

If only Rand Paul had taken over from Trump.

twitter.com/pelham_3/status/140 … 89312?s=20

The best ■■■■ take of the fake pandemic to date, enjoy.
note some swear words spoken.

I see the vaccines are working in Lancashire…

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rearaxle:
I see the vaccines are working in Lancashire…

I’ve had both mine but I’m still waiting for my promised vaccine passport so I can fire up the car and set off on a nice foreign road trip. :unamused:

Juddian:
The problem with the new world order is that us plebs don’t know what shape it’s planned to take, the reason we don’t know the plan is because we arn’t part of it other than to be used and once no longer of use then what?

What we know from history throughout is that serfs didn’t enjoy the lifestyle of those who owned them, do the modern day serfs (the working and pseudo middle classes) think that the glorious new future of fantastic wealth travel and luxury is planned to include them? they’ll still be the serf class just won’t be a many of them as now.

I just wish people were a little more thoughtful before so eagerly going along with everything that the favoured scientists and those currently running the country (many other countries too) come up with as we welcome in the means of total control surveillance and compliance, the powers that be offer a solution with DePfeffels solemn promise of jam in 3 weeks if only you’ll do this (whatever that day’s instruction might be), 3 weeks later you discover boris liar was as usual lying.

Take for example the digital ID system coming soon, phased in as the innocent sounding vaccine passport, once you’ve accepted that you’ve started down the road of every aspect of your life being monitored and your future access (China social credit system style) to shopping associations travel work healthcare depending on what the system allows.
There’s footage around youtube.com/watch?v=TDIqekSQb-k of a much younger Johnson vehemently against Blair’s ID card plan from the early noughties, World President Blair’s plan is coming to fruition and under the governance of what was once a conservative party in majority.

People are no longer sleep walking into a totalitarian dystopian nightmare world, they are wide awake and welcoming, clambering over one another to be there first and making pub/holiday/travel/newnormal excuses to themselves, the mass media propaganda over this pandemic…which isn’t a pandemic by any measure…has worked better than they could possibly have imagined.

We’re just over 12 months into the new world order and look at people, cowed fearful controlled hoping things will return to normal, praising the NHS blessed be its name, believing every word our bought by big pharma scientists say (many scientists and medical practitioners who disagree silenced unless on alternative platforms) and our shame faced liar politicians say, their pronouncements and instructions backed up by a mainstream media which has with painfully few exceptions failed in its duty to hold the govt to account…Her Maj’s unfit for purpose opposition having disgracefully given up that task.
How do YOU think the next 9 years of this will end seeing how far they’ve gone in control in this short time.

We are in serious trouble people, the more you go along with the narrative the more power you hand to those wishing to control you, feeding the crocodile in the hope he’ll eat you last isn’t going to help you in the long run, he’ll get round to you and your children, easily replaceble the pleb class, they’ll pick off groups who don’t comply one by one and those who currently comply might even cheer…we’re seeing the start of the split in society where some currently vaccinated wish the unvaccinated to be kept separate or compelled to take the treatment, this is doing the new world order’s task for them, simple divide and rule tactics getting one section of the plebs to put peer pressure on others, that will increase in very short order mark my words.
When those who voice dissent have been silenced one way or another, who’s going to speak up for the next group those in power decide are unwelcome/unwanted, again the appeasers will breathe a sigh of relief, might even help the authorities by pointing out dissenters (wasn’t there something along these lines in the 1930s/40’s in Europe?), but who’s going to speak for you when it’s your turn for their version of the thumbscrews.

Good post J, fully agree.

Very amusing today listening to the speaker of the house going mental because the Gov tipped off the media instead of discussing with the house first (4 wk covid relaxation delay) :laughing: Not sure which is funniest, watching the sheeple fall off the cliff one by one or the ‘top table’ crew scrapping amongst themselves on the best/most efficient way to organize said cliff plunge :laughing:

the nodding donkey:
I’m not sure that a new “world order” is necessarily a bad idea. It cant be much worse than what we have now, and what we have now, is broken and unfit for the future. Capitalism has run out of steam (or rather resource. Capitalism relies on an ever increasing market. That requires an ever increasing population, which is unsustainable, and indefinite resources, which we dont have), and Communism is corrupt.

If you are realistic for a moment, a periodic big reduction in the population has been a fact of life, throughout history. Ice ages, famines,plagues, wars; until the 1950’s, when we had developed the medical skill to keep many more people alive for longer, and created the destructive farming methods to keep them alive.

We can not carry on as we are now.

Is all this orchestrated by a small elite? No, of course not. Covid is real. Not as bad as they make out, but real nonetheless. Has the vaccine got micro chips in it? No, of course not. Has it been properly tested? No, obviously not. Is it safe? Nobody knows yet.

This is, in some ways no different from what happened before. It’s just that global news and the internet give us a much broader picture of what’s going on. There were quacks and nay sayers in the dark ages, just that only their village or neighbours heard them rant and rave… they would have shaken their head, thrown a rotten turnip, and moved on with their lives. What happened was eitherdoen to Gids will, or the local Barons will.

Que sera sera…

Good post Mule.

A tweet earlier made me think of our very own hero, Carryfast, who along with Winseer the Brave and Juddian The Selfless are single handedly defending us all from being enslaved.

God bless you chaps, it just seems to get harder and harder

Watch Carryfast use the fact I follow a Chinese news site on twitter as proof I’m in their pocket

brandnewtube.com/watch/now-dele … yJXDn.html

Retired police officer reports govt to police, sorry has to be BNT because as expected removed from Youtube.

Juddian:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/now-deleted-by-youtube-former-police-officer-reports-government-to-police-for-murder-by-vaccines_1bhxFV725EyJXDn.html

Retired police officer reports govt to police, sorry has to be BNT because as expected removed from Youtube.

very scary stuff :cry:
but sadly,no one will take any notice,and the vaccine roll-out will continue,unabated :frowning:

carryfast-yeti:

Juddian:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/now-deleted-by-youtube-former-police-officer-reports-government-to-police-for-murder-by-vaccines_1bhxFV725EyJXDn.html

Retired police officer reports govt to police, sorry has to be BNT because as expected removed from Youtube.

very scary stuff :cry:
but sadly,no one will take any notice,and the vaccine roll-out will continue,unabated :frowning:

That’s fine too, everyone must make their own choices over this situation, whatever happens in the future no one with access to the internet will be able to say they never knew about different views from highly accredited professionals in various fields across the world, those with only access to the telly may well have valid claims against the govt unless they signed paperwork advising them they, or their children, were taking part in a medical experiment, that many highly respected people called for to be halted urgently.

Just curious.

What makes you favour one highly accredited professional…against another.

commonrail:
Just curious.

What makes you favour one highly accredited professional…against another.

I don’t, what i am prepared to do is give them a fair hearing, especially when they arn’t on the gravy train.