The French have kicked off

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AndieHyde:
Doesn’t even need to be that big either.
Remember the original fuel protests in 2000 when a handful of hauliers and farmers brought the country to it’s knees. Trouble was, they inadvertantly started something so big they bottled it, but imagine if they had of kept it up and how things would have changed.

Subsiquent attempts failed because the industry learnt from it mistakes and how to protect itself. But there could be other ways, ever noticed how much food is imported into the UK?

My memory of the fuel strike is that the strikers were threatened, the Blair government had been caught out, it started in the North, or at least far enough away from Westminster for great and good not to take much notice, and behind the smile and cool Britannia facade was an evil control freak, his government was going to smash the strike one way or another, with force, and by threatening to remove the O’licence of any company who dared to try something like that again.

Also the strike did have a fair bit of public support, but had it gone on much longer I think that support would have quickly evaporated, especially when Blair called in favours from his friends in the media to run anti strike propaganda and the hauliers and farmers would have faced the backlash from the public.

AndieHyde:
Having myself been caught up in French strikes (truckers, farmers, fishermen) over the years, the one thing I will give them is THEY STICK TOGETHER.

The concept of divide and rule has been keeping the elite in power for centuries. This is a strategy that breaks up existing power structures, and especially prevents smaller power groups from linking up, causing rivalries and fomenting discord among the people.

Sound familiar■■?

The concept of divide and rule is no so deep within the UK, no workers can expect support from any others, look at the comments on here when the Tanker drivers or rail workers stick together. From my experience my UK workers can’t even stick together with members of their own workforce and so conditions continue to get worse.

I believe this is what Macron is now trying in France, from everything I’ve seen and read about him, he seems like another smart suited, media savvy, control freak and will ultimately be bad for the average worker in France. Maybe many French are beginning to realise what he really is, as his approval rating has dropped fast since his elections.

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Some good points of view here, and i agree with most…However, although i have been trying to educate drivers on what we could achieve if we all joined a union…or formed our own union someone who has knowledge of the industry, and also a union just for this industry…a great idea would be to join the French one, as they have vast knowledge, and always get what they want.BUT…there are many who wouldnt join, and would see a strike as a means to earn more…then there are thos who wouldnt strike cos they got bills to pay, etc etc…always excuses…back in my day i have been on strikes…i was at wapping supporting miners…, and was very militant…i became a shop steward…but forced out by the management…and not forgetting the unions themselves…so if one was formed from scratch…they would have a hard job…so i believe the way forward is to join one thats already formed and trusted, and like i said earlier, the French in my opinion are the most powerful, and militant when it comes to strikes, as some of us have witnessed over the years by being parked up, or loads emptied across the national roads…so i wish you all well in your quest…which would sort the men from the boys, the weak from the chaffe…but what this industry has been crying out for since the TGWU days, why im not really sure of the legality of a union anymore, since Maggie ` clamped down on them…but good luck.

BTW, it might do some good to find out just how many members on here would be willing to join ■■

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truckyboy:
Some good points of view here, and i agree with most…However, although i have been trying to educate drivers on what we could achieve if we all joined a union…or formed our own union someone who has knowledge of the industry, and also a union just for this industry…a great idea would be to join the French one, as they have vast knowledge, and always get what they want.BUT…there are many who wouldnt join, and would see a strike as a means to earn more…then there are thos who wouldnt strike cos they got bills to pay, etc etc…always excuses…back in my day i have been on strikes…i was at wapping supporting miners…, and was very militant…i became a shop steward…but forced out by the management…and not forgetting the unions themselves…so if one was formed from scratch…they would have a hard job…so i believe the way forward is to join one thats already formed and trusted, and like i said earlier, the French in my opinion are the most powerful, and militant when it comes to strikes, as some of us have witnessed over the years by being parked up, or loads emptied across the national roads…so i wish you all well in your quest…which would sort the men from the boys, the weak from the chaffe…but what this industry has been crying out for since the TGWU days, why im not really sure of the legality of a union anymore, since Maggie ` clamped down on them…but good luck.

BTW, it might do some good to find out just how many members on here would be willing to join ■■

I for one would sign up pronto.Why not the T.N.U.K UNION…nice ring to it mithinks,easy to deal with issues via this forum.We just require a head shed from administration not quiet so time and energy compromised as most on here.I envisage Ricki and Lucy as the seed corn of this exciting step into the sunlit uplands of unionisation.

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manalishi:

truckyboy:
Some good points of view here, and i agree with most…However, although i have been trying to educate drivers on what we could achieve if we all joined a union…or formed our own union someone who has knowledge of the industry, and also a union just for this industry…a great idea would be to join the French one, as they have vast knowledge, and always get what they want.BUT…there are many who wouldnt join, and would see a strike as a means to earn more…then there are thos who wouldnt strike cos they got bills to pay, etc etc…always excuses…back in my day i have been on strikes…i was at wapping supporting miners…, and was very militant…i became a shop steward…but forced out by the management…and not forgetting the unions themselves…so if one was formed from scratch…they would have a hard job…so i believe the way forward is to join one thats already formed and trusted, and like i said earlier, the French in my opinion are the most powerful, and militant when it comes to strikes, as some of us have witnessed over the years by being parked up, or loads emptied across the national roads…so i wish you all well in your quest…which would sort the men from the boys, the weak from the chaffe…but what this industry has been crying out for since the TGWU days, why im not really sure of the legality of a union anymore, since Maggie ` clamped down on them…but good luck.

BTW, it might do some good to find out just how many members on here would be willing to join ■■

I for one would sign up pronto.Why not the T.N.U.K UNION…nice ring to it mithinks,easy to deal with issues via this forum.We just require a head shed from administration not quiet so time and energy compromised as most on here.I envisage Ricki and Lucy as the seed corn of this exciting step into the sunlit uplands of unionisation.

It could even finance itself by expedient of becoming a superior agency as well killing two thingies with one wotsit.I remember U.R.T.U doing this yonks ago and i briefly joined up but left eventually for a permenant gig,can’t understand why the project failed.

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muckles:

AndieHyde:
Doesn’t even need to be that big either.
Remember the original fuel protests in 2000 when a handful of hauliers and farmers brought the country to it’s knees. Trouble was, they inadvertantly started something so big they bottled it, but imagine if they had of kept it up and how things would have changed.

Subsiquent attempts failed because the industry learnt from it mistakes and how to protect itself. But there could be other ways, ever noticed how much food is imported into the UK?

My memory of the fuel strike is that the strikers were threatened, the Blair government had been caught out, it started in the North, or at least far enough away from Westminster for great and good not to take much notice, and behind the smile and cool Britannia facade was an evil control freak, his government was going to smash the strike one way or another, with force, and by threatening to remove the O’licence of any company who dared to try something like that again.

Also the strike did have a fair bit of public support, but had it gone on much longer I think that support would have quickly evaporated, especially when Blair called in favours from his friends in the media to run anti strike propaganda and the hauliers and farmers would have faced the backlash from the public.

AndieHyde:
Having myself been caught up in French strikes (truckers, farmers, fishermen) over the years, the one thing I will give them is THEY STICK TOGETHER.

The concept of divide and rule has been keeping the elite in power for centuries. This is a strategy that breaks up existing power structures, and especially prevents smaller power groups from linking up, causing rivalries and fomenting discord among the people.

Sound familiar■■?

The concept of divide and rule is no so deep within the UK, no workers can expect support from any others, look at the comments on here when the Tanker drivers or rail workers stick together. From my experience my UK workers can’t even stick together with members of their own workforce and so conditions continue to get worse.

I believe this is what Macron is now trying in France, from everything I’ve seen and read about him, he seems like another smart suited, media savvy, control freak and will ultimately be bad for the average worker in France. Maybe many French are beginning to realise what he really is, as his approval rating has dropped fast since his elections.

Could be wrong but he is ex-Goldman- sachs bankster, another vampire squidder infecting a symbollic pantomime key position to enhance ‘the great work of ages’.If it quacks like a duck…etc…

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I dont believe for one minute that TNUK would ever get involved in a unionised club, yet alone call for strike action. i was there when we blocked the ferry entrance in Dover…till the police arrived with wreckers and said we will tow away any vehicle that doesnt move in 30 minutes…and also report vehicles to the T/C so you will also lose your O licence…these obstacles frighten people…the same as for those who wouldnt join because they have bills to pay, or their boss treats them good…excuse…excuse…so you will never get complete support, not forgetting the EE companies waiting at the ready, for that all important call to aid the british government…so in this day and age i dont know if it would actually work…a nice thought, to be a united transport body, ready to fight the cause, but dont think it will ever happen…all you can do is fight your own corner, refuse to work for hauliers who pay crap money, dont maintain their vehicles or are a bully to employees…move on to better plains.

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UKTRAMP for top job in union just send him your dues every week and his cockyness will bring anyone to bear Result

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desypete:
you have to admire the french truck drivers

the brits have never been any good at making a stand in the transport industry, there all to bloody selfishand spineless, they would rather steal your job from you if you dare make a stand than to back you up
all that is on a truckers mind is whos job can i nick to try to get better pay

rather than get organized and work together to get the whole industry a better deal
drivers should form there own union, and in this day and age of tech it should be an easy thing to get in touch with every driver that holds a licence. there is facebook, twitter etc that all drivers could join up to and make a start to get high number all in one place

once there would be high numbers then it would only take some organising by those who are smart enough to produce a simple list of demands from the industry as a whole not individual companys
but the one rule would have to be from all that if action was needed then every driver would adhere to it
they can not sack everyone who takes action and its for that reason alone that uk drivers have never had the powers needed

for example drivers should be on a minimum of at least 15 quid an hour with overtime after 8 hours
night out payments should be an hourly rate fixed fee say 8 hours pay at least
building of more laybys and hard standing grounds in all industral estates would improve things with toilets and bins

the list is endless of things to make a drivers life that much better and well rewarded and it would attract

one more point i would love to see a lower rate paid for eu drivers as its not fair they can come here and earn upto 4 or 5 times what they would earn back home
if uk drivers could move to another country and earn 4 or 5 times what they earn now just imagine how well off you would be
yet uk drivers dont have that option but the eu buggers do and its totally unfair

but anyway this is the sort of thing that the drivers themselves should sort out and work together to make it happen
but they wont all they will do is moan like women about how crap it is and live in a dream world were one day they will find a well paid job that treats them right and its easy money

well done to the french i hope it puts our own lot to shame and rightly so

This is it in a nutshell. If we, as drivers decided to exploit the very real power we 'd have as an entity, then life would suddenly become radically better. Not just in the matter of pay rates, but how we are treated at distribution centres for example?

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AndieHyde:
Doesn’t even need to be that big either.
Remember the original fuel protests in 2000 when a handful of hauliers and farmers brought the country to it’s knees. Trouble was, they inadvertantly started something so big they bottled it, but imagine if they had of kept it up and how things would have changed.

Subsiquent attempts failed because the industry learnt from it mistakes and how to protect itself. But there could be other ways, ever noticed how much food is imported into the UK?

Having myself been caught up in French strikes (truckers, farmers, fishermen) over the years, the one thing I will give them is THEY STICK TOGETHER.

The concept of divide and rule has been keeping the elite in power for centuries. This is a strategy that breaks up existing power structures, and especially prevents smaller power groups from linking up, causing rivalries and fomenting discord among the people.

Sound familiar■■?

NAILED

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manalishi:

muckles:
I believe this is what Macron is now trying in France, from everything I’ve seen and read about him, he seems like another smart suited, media savvy, control freak and will ultimately be bad for the average worker in France. Maybe many French are beginning to realise what he really is, as his approval rating has dropped fast since his elections.

Could be wrong but he is ex-Goldman- sachs bankster, another vampire squidder infecting a symbollic pantomime key position to enhance ‘the great work of ages’.If it quacks like a duck…etc…

Is it more likely that massive amounts of people throughout Europe are continuously voting like turkeys for Christmas.Or that the banksters are rigging elections in their favour ?.

yournewswire.com/marine-le-pen-election-rigged/

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you would only need to have the uk truck drivers join the same union as the police and that would be it …no problem,and problem solved.dont hold your breath though.

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dieseldog999:
you would only need to have the uk truck drivers join the same union as the police and that would be it …no problem,and problem solved.dont hold your breath though.

Then get the farmers in it too and then, apart from the weather, the decent food and the ■■■■ women we could close our eyes and believe we are in France

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the nodding donkey:

ne more point i would love to see a lower rate paid for eu drivers as its not fair they can come here and earn upto 4 or 5 times what they would earn back home
if uk drivers could move to another country and earn 4 or 5 times what they earn now just imagine how well off you would be
yet uk drivers dont have that option but the eu buggers do and its totally unfair

DesyPete, you should occasionally stop for breath.
I bet British employers will love the concept of paying EU workers less than British workers.
And it would be ok for British workers to go abroad, to earn more, but not the other way around. So how did that work in the Eighties, when British construction workers were raking it in in Germany, living in containers (ring a bell?).

how long was it before the german people were up in arms at the huge numbers of brits coming over to there country and making a fortune while there own workers struggled ?
how long was it before the germans soon got rid of us ?

yet in this country if we react the same way its met with bloody snow flakes who seem to think its wonderbar to have so many bloody migrants taking over the haulage game

i say it again there is no where in the world a truck driver from this country can go off and earn 2k or 2.5k a week ( 4 times your take home pay )
yet for the eu migrants who come here its the sort of wage increase they can make by coming here, not to mention any other benefits they may be able to get here
all in all the eu lot are making a bloody killing on our wages and we struggle
they can send half or more of there money back home and afford luxury living thanks to our stupid open door policy with no protection for us
so its little wonder firms are now being called ski at the end of the company’s names as if i was a polish driver or eu driver i would be here to to make my riches and i wouldn’t give 2 flying pair of soiled underpants about the natives who struggle just so long as i was ok and earning big, just like most of them who flood are lands have that same attitude

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elsa Lad:
Call me a perv but I found the story about the female flasher more intresting :blush:

your a perv