The big big question

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it depends on the area you live in
i wish the vote was decided by area so that those with high emigrants could vote to have them removed or to not let any more come to there area and those who want to vote to keep things as they are can have the emigrants come and live in there areas that would be fair
they could pay there increased council tax bill and provide the mosques and all other things the emigrants need to settle in there areas and pay for it themselves instead of expecting me and my taxes to go on paying for it and to watch my town change were English is hard to find being spoken

the vote should be if you want them then you put your name down to pay for them and provide for them, and those who dont will not have to pay for them or have there area crashed out.
thats the only reason the in vote might win as those who vote in will not have to face the huge changes that are taking place

does anyone think a Muslim major would of been elected in any other city other than london ? so many areas of london now are just full of one type of ethnic we see it in bradford and many other parts of town and citys the whites move out and they move in and the next thing you know it starts to look like another country
that is what is at stake that with so many able to come here it will only be a matter of time before its you who loses his job to the cheaper import or you end up working for even less than your get now

thats why i wish it should be area voting then everyone wins those who want more emigration can have them come and live in there area and pay for them its simple really

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desypete:
it depends on the area you live in
i wish the vote was decided by area so that those with high emigrants could vote to have them removed or to not let any more come to there area and those who want to vote to keep things as they are can have the emigrants come and live in there areas that would be fair
they could pay there increased council tax bill and provide the mosques and all other things the emigrants need to settle in there areas and pay for it themselves instead of expecting me and my taxes to go on paying for it and to watch my town change were English is hard to find being spoken

the vote should be if you want them then you put your name down to pay for them and provide for them, and those who dont will not have to pay for them or have there area crashed out.
thats the only reason the in vote might win as those who vote in will not have to face the huge changes that are taking place

does anyone think a Muslim major would of been elected in any other city other than london ? so many areas of london now are just full of one type of ethnic we see it in bradford and many other parts of town and citys the whites move out and they move in and the next thing you know it starts to look like another country
that is what is at stake that with so many able to come here it will only be a matter of time before its you who loses his job to the cheaper import or you end up working for even less than your get now

thats why i wish it should be area voting then everyone wins those who want more emigration can have them come and live in there area and pay for them its simple really

Im not having a go desy but this post is one of the main problems I can see with the in/out vote. So many people are so fixated and obsessed with immigration and immigrants that they are ignoring everything else and not thinking of the big picture and of ALL the implications. They think a leave vote will mean the borders will be shut and this will somehow magically solve all the problems and all will be rosy in the UK garden.
I dont know if you personally are looking at other things to weigh up options (doesnt sound like it but if you say you are then ill believe you) but a good whack of people are ignoring everything else and cant see past the immigration issue.
Does anyone seriously think that if we get a leave result then much will change? I personally think free movement will be allowed to remain due to some (back door or otherwise) deal the government makes with the EU. I might be wrong, I might be right. We will never know. But I do know that anyone voting out based purely on immigration and thinking leaving the EU will solve all the UKs ills is incredibly naive

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The-Snowman:

desypete:
it depends on the area you live in
i wish the vote was decided by area so that those with high emigrants could vote to have them removed or to not let any more come to there area and those who want to vote to keep things as they are can have the emigrants come and live in there areas that would be fair
they could pay there increased council tax bill and provide the mosques and all other things the emigrants need to settle in there areas and pay for it themselves instead of expecting me and my taxes to go on paying for it and to watch my town change were English is hard to find being spoken

the vote should be if you want them then you put your name down to pay for them and provide for them, and those who dont will not have to pay for them or have there area crashed out.
thats the only reason the in vote might win as those who vote in will not have to face the huge changes that are taking place

does anyone think a Muslim major would of been elected in any other city other than london ? so many areas of london now are just full of one type of ethnic we see it in bradford and many other parts of town and citys the whites move out and they move in and the next thing you know it starts to look like another country
that is what is at stake that with so many able to come here it will only be a matter of time before its you who loses his job to the cheaper import or you end up working for even less than your get now

thats why i wish it should be area voting then everyone wins those who want more emigration can have them come and live in there area and pay for them its simple really

Im not having a go desy but this post is one of the main problems I can see with the in/out vote. So many people are so fixated and obsessed with immigration and immigrants that they are ignoring everything else and not thinking of the big picture and of ALL the implications. They think a leave vote will mean the borders will be shut and this will somehow magically solve all the problems and all will be rosy in the UK garden.
I dont know if you personally are looking at other things to weigh up options (doesnt sound like it but if you say you are then ill believe you) but a good whack of people are ignoring everything else and cant see past the immigration issue.
Does anyone seriously think that if we get a leave result then much will change? I personally think free movement will be allowed to remain due to some (back door or otherwise) deal the government makes with the EU. I might be wrong, I might be right. We will never know. But I do know that anyone voting out based purely on immigration and thinking leaving the EU will solve all the UKs ills is incredibly naive

To be fair the immigrant community is more sympathetic to removing the sovereignty of the country in favour of Merkel’s Eurasian Federation because they see a demographic advantage in it for them.

On that note yes an out vote obviously removes a massive immigration issue in regard to Merkel’s and Cameron’s plans to allow free movement between the Islamic world and us especially via Turkish membership.

As for ‘everything else’ feel free to make the case,

For an unarguably Communist inspired Federal project which has now put Socialists like Juncker among others into a position of power all based on Altiero Spinelli’s ideas.

Which has decimated our industrial capacity.In favour of EU imports.

Which costs us a fortune in net contributions.As part of a Socialist wealth redistribution agenda.

Based on the Socialist lie that ‘peace in Europe’ isn’t a case of defence of the Nation State against the expansion/takeover/aggression of the Federation in all its forms.As opposed to vice versa.

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Carryfast:
As for ‘everything else’ feel free to make the case,

Pensions
Strength Of the Pound
European Allies
Trade with other countries
Employment
Business investment
Where that leaves Britain in the world in terms of a major player

Im not saying all these things are under threat or that they will improve and im not going to argue them one way or the other. I dont need to make the case. Its not my job.
All im saying is to vote you need to consider it all and make your mind up from everything and to ignore them and focus solely on “get the immigrants sorted” is short sighted.
I for one am not daft enough to think that a leave vote automatically means the rules will change and immigration will be curbed. Remember the back door deals I mentioned? Surely you cant think its not a realistic possibility that immigration will remain as it is even after a leave vote?
So to vote leave purely because you want shot of immigration without considering any other effects is a dangerous gamble to take that everything else will be ok. Some of these people could send the UK down the river because they are naive enough to think the only consideration is the immigration issue and to hell with the rest.

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The-Snowman:

Carryfast:
As for ‘everything else’ feel free to make the case,

Pensions
Strength Of the Pound
European Allies
Trade with other countries
Employment
Business investment
Where that leaves Britain in the world in terms of a major player

Im not saying all these things are under threat or that they will improve and im not going to argue them one way or the other. I dont need to make the case. Its not my job.
All im saying is to vote you need to consider it all and make your mind up from everything and to ignore them and focus solely on “get the immigrants sorted” is short sighted.
I for one am not daft enough to think that a leave vote automatically means the rules will change and immigration will be curbed. Remember the back door deals I mentioned? Surely you cant think its not a realistic possibility that immigration will remain as it is even after a leave vote?
So to vote leave purely because you want shot of immigration without considering any other effects is a dangerous gamble to take that everything else will be ok. Some of these people could send the UK down the river because they are naive enough to think the only consideration is the immigration issue and to hell with the rest.

Pensions.Oh wait you mean the pensions which Europhile Thatcher stopped the index linking of in 1980 7 years after we joined the EU as part of her ‘austerity’ plans.Or the pensions which we’ve seen the raising of the qualifying age for throughout most of the EU.Probably to help pay for East Euro pensions like that of the Slovakian retirement age of 62 and 58 for women with no plans to raise it. :unamused:

Strength of the pound you mean like the 1.48 Swiss Francs of 2012 or 1.37 today v the 2.7 Swiss Francs of 1969.

European allies you mean a European Federal Army working for Spinelli’s Socialist Federal utopia similar to the one that the JNA tried to impose on Slovenia and Croatia by military force in 1991.

Trade with ‘other’ countries see 1960-72.Including our trade surplus with Europe unlike the deficit since we joined.

Employment you mean like all the jobs lost to the relocation of UK industry to Europe let alone the recent relocation of Ford van production to Asia in Turkey and EU imports and East Euro immigration.

Business investment see above.You mean like the ‘investment’ in and position of the uk steel industry v that of Germany’s.

Britain’s place in the world as a major player you mean a national debt in the trillions and massive trade deficit as opposed to our situation in 1960-72. :unamused:

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This might come as a surprise to you carryfast since you have decided that you are the voice of authority on all things political and historical but I dont really give a ■■■■ about your opinion on it all. When I’m looking at all the above mentioned points I raised, a forum on the Internet is the last place I’d go for accurate information.
But as per usual in your desire to always be right and make sure everyone gets your point of view, you’ve missed the entire point of what I was actually saying in the first place.
You have your own opinions on things but likewise so do a lot of other people, some of whom are highly respected in their field.
My whole point was look at everything, not just one issue.

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The-Snowman:
This might come as a surprise to you carryfast since you have decided that you are the voice of authority on all things political and historical but I dont really give a [zb] about your opinion on it all. When I’m looking at all the above mentioned points I raised, a forum on the Internet is the last place I’d go for accurate information.
But as per usual in your desire to always be right and make sure everyone gets your point of view, you’ve missed the entire point of what I was actually saying in the first place.
You have your own opinions on things but likewise so do a lot of other people, some of whom are highly respected in their field.
My whole point was look at everything, not just one issue.

To be fair I don’t give a zb about your opinion either.Bearing in mind that I was actually one of those who wanted to impose the Soviet Utopia on Europe that you’re obviously all about.The difference is I changed sides when I realised what Socialism actually means. :bulb: :unamused: :laughing:

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I expected the remain to win but as it goes on I fear Brexit will win.

So if we leave I will have to come to terms with the fact that I am in a minority and respect the result.

But if we stay Brexit folk will have to come to terms with the fact most people wanted to stay in Europe. Most of them will be ok with the result bit I fear a few will see it as a rigged result by the stasi/ss/mi6 <insert latest conspiracy theorist overlords. If this does happen I look forward to ukipers realising they are a minority.

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alicks77:
I expected the remain to win but as it goes on I fear Brexit will win.

So if we leave I will have to come to terms with the fact that I am in a minority and respect the result.

But if we stay Brexit folk will have to come to terms with the fact most people wanted to stay in Europe. Most of them will be ok with the result bit I fear a few will see it as a rigged result by the stasi/ss/mi6 <insert latest conspiracy theorist overlords. If this does happen I look forward to ukipers realising they are a minority.

Ironically I think remain will win.But no I wouldn’t ever accept the result because no one has the right to vote away the nation’s sovereignty and hand it to a bunch of foreign communists.It’s a matter of national security and has been since 1973.

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I expected that carry you have no respect for what anyone thinks so why would it change for the majority decision of 60 million people.

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alicks77:
I expected that carry you have no respect for what anyone thinks so why would it change for the majority decision of 60 million people.

Let’s just say that the idea of Nation State Democracy voting for Federalist Socialism,is the ultimate example of a turkey voting for christmas.

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whatever the outcome we get screwed. If we vote remain the E.U. will screw us because it can, if we vote out, our lot will screw us so they can blame things on us not voting in.

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teflon:
whatever the outcome we get screwed. If we vote remain the E.U. will screw us because it can, if we vote out, our lot will screw us so they can blame things on us not voting in.

Realistically if we vote out ‘our lot’ won’t be the present Europhile lot running the show.If they then decide to screw us we can at least hopefully chuck em out unlike Merkel and Juncker and comrades.We also won’t be subject to free movement of people or goods so how does the EU supposedly screw us.

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i have said it before but its a thought that sticks in my mind so will repeat here

can you imagine if we had area voting on this issue ? as it seems the places with very high numbers of emigration would all vote in huge numbers for out in there effort to try to cut down the numbers that seem to be taking over there work places, there towns, there shops etc

there is a huge difference if your not threatened by high numbers in your own area compared to those area that have to lump it.

my fear is that yet again those people who have the same vote as me but dont face the same high numbers in there own area will keep it the same by voting in and also of course make it far far worse as more and more will come and settle to be with there own kind in the area
it seems if that happens the only options would be to let them have the area and move out which really is unfair to all the people who have been born and bread in the area

hence emigration is such a high thing for me but might not be for someone who doesn’t have to live in the thick of it.

we have resessions while in Europe many times, house prices go up and down banks crash if we are in euro land or not the steel industry is on its knees and going to be wiped out as we are in Europe so there is no immunity by voting in that anything bad financially would happen so that side of things just dont stack up for me as a priority but the huge numbers of people in my area and the threat they pose to my very way of life and the life of all us locals is a high one

if you vote in then you should also have to take your fair share of emigrants have your own areas waiting lists for council housing increased, have your own kids find it harder and harder to get even a factory job as the boss prefers the foreigners

if they came over in small numbers there really wouldn’t be this huge backlash that is taking place as its the high numbers now that is scaring most people as they can see into the future what is happening in one area will one day start to happen in there own back yard or it might just be starting now.

we got shafted in the general election as over 4 million voted ukip and we got just 1 mp it shows the divides in the country and those divides will only get worse unless we all start to play fair in this country

i can see a day when people will get fed up of not being listened to and the streets will turn ugly again more so in areas where there are such high numbers as what else can people do ? they vote for change and get ignored time and time again and have muppets like the labour party or the unions all come out in favour of staying in the very people who should be on the side of the workers yet there to political correct now there a party lost forever as there never going to be the way they once was

farage and ukip have breathed a breath of freash air into politics they have given out hope for all those out there who feel there not being listened to or those that feel the political correct lot keep on pushing down there fears or brand them as racist etc

i know one thing farage has stood up to everyone and everything being thrown at him. it all backfired when the dirty tricks department started to go out to get him and the public could see they were very worried by him so tried to destroy him but it backfired as the public cottoned on to what was going on and it made farage the underdog and people supported him and what he stood for and boy can that man tell it like it is and give the political correct nutters a bloody nose

the euro elections and there clean sweep was the turning point where the politicians had to take notice of the change in the people of this country

i can only hope that change carries forward and wins the vote to leave as it will finally send the message out loud and clear that the people are fed up with political correct rubbish or diane bloody abbot type of politics they have got away with there rubbish for far to long

so i am voting out

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I guess a 80% turnout to vote (which would be a shame because this is one vote where every vote will count unlike general elections) and the result to be 51% out and 49% in

I will see on Friday 24th if my crystal ball has worked :smiley:

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ROG:
I guess a 80% turnout to vote (which would be a shame because this is one vote where every vote will count unlike general elections) and the result to be 51% out and 49% in

I will see on Friday 24th if my crystal ball has worked :smiley:

Realistically it will depend on how many Conservatives and Labour voters are Eurosceptic v how many idealistic indoctrinated young Socialists want Juncker etc ruling the country who wouldn’t normally vote added to Northern Irish and Scottish in vote.So possibly right about the turnout maybe even more like 85% turnout.But I’m more pessimistic at 55% in 45% out.Hope I’m wrong. :frowning:

Bearing in mind that the turnout didn’t get much above 70% anywhere in the 1975 referendum.