ERF-NGC-European:
I note that ■■■■■■■■ RR and Gardner engines were used. What were the pairings, if any, of engine / gearbox on the View-lines (eg. Gardner / David Brown; ■■■■■■■ / Fuller)? Robert
The 4x2 and 6x2 tractors could have the usual Gardner, ■■■■■■■ and RR options, with various David Brown 6 or 10-speed behind them, or a ZF 6-speed for the ■■■■■■■ and RR options, not to mention a Self Changing Gears option on a 6x2 tractor and on the nine 4x2 tractors for Pickfords
The 45T 6x4s usually had a 250 ■■■■■■■ with a 6-speed gearbox (they weren’t into Fuller at that stage), whilst the 75-tonner built for PHH was 250 ■■■■■■■ and 15-speed Fuller.
The 38T 6x4 tractor exhibited at Earls Court in 1968 had a 220 Rolls and a David Brown 10-speed, whilst the 4x2 shown was a 6LXB Gardner and 6-speed Brown
DEANB:
Well done Chris !! The main reason i was badgering you Chris is that i did not know anything about
the Viewline,and had pretty much forgotten about them until you posted a pic of one. The thing that raised
my intrest was that you said the factory reckoned they made around 200,but you reckoned that figure
was wrong and it was less than that. Therefore a bit Like Robert’s Europeans i thought it would be
intresting to see what we could find out about them. Maybe do a register like Robert has for the
Europeans,and see how many between us we can find ?
I half-heartedly did one, years ago, but I found some more after that! The quote of 200 wasn’t an official factory figure, just someone at the factory giving his opinion.
Bizarrely, when mine was rebuilt, we got a retired ex-Atkinson cab shop man to build the frame for us, and he reckoned he’d never seen one before! I showed him a factory
photo of one in build in the cab shop, and he recognised the chap working on it but still reckoned that he couldn’t remember the View-Line cab itself!
I wonder if Paul Gee ever captured one at work, other than a pensioned-off wrecker conversion?
240 Gardner: There is a photo on Flickr, perhaps of the same one, in Sullivans yard - the most unlikely motor to take to Jeddah!! Surely it wasn’t driven out there too?? It had a 220 ■■■■■■■ and a 10-speed Self Changing Gears (“Wilson”) gearbox, semi-auto rather than pre-select, and was one of a batch of nine built for Pickfords. The motor in question was AMH 539H, and there’s a photo, with text, here:
Could be the same one 240 but it looked much tidier & cleaner than the photo - I seem to remember a short casting attached to the steering column with a switch for gear selection, but it’s a long time ago.
And no it wasn’t driven to Jeddah, it went out from Felixtowe pulling a 40ft extendable to 60ft, loaded with 2 solid tyre bogies, a steel bed for use with the bogies and two dustcarts on top, wish I’d taken a photo as it was quite a jigsaw puzzle loading it all on, and to my mind a complete waste of money
DEANB:
Were they only built as artic units ? Was this one factory built or stretched Chris ■■
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It was artic only, with that one exception, and which was a special one-off build for the RTITB:
Thanks for confirming Chris.
240 Gardner:
DEANB:
Well done Chris !! The main reason i was badgering you Chris is that i did not know anything about
the Viewline,and had pretty much forgotten about them until you posted a pic of one. The thing that raised
my intrest was that you said the factory reckoned they made around 200,but you reckoned that figure
was wrong and it was less than that. Therefore a bit Like Robert’s Europeans i thought it would be
intresting to see what we could find out about them. Maybe do a register like Robert has for the
Europeans,and see how many between us we can find ?
I half-heartedly did one, years ago, but I found some more after that! The quote of 200 wasn’t an official factory figure, just someone at the factory giving his opinion.
Bizarrely, when mine was rebuilt, we got a retired ex-Atkinson cab shop man to build the frame for us, and he reckoned he’d never seen one before! I showed him a factory
photo of one in build in the cab shop, and he recognised the chap working on it but still reckoned that he couldn’t remember the View-Line cab itself!
I wonder if Paul Gee ever captured one at work, other than a pensioned-off wrecker conversion?
Unbelievable that fella could not remember the View-Line ■■
ERF-NGC-European:
I note that ■■■■■■■■ RR and Gardner engines were used. What were the pairings, if any, of engine / gearbox on the View-lines (eg. Gardner / David Brown; ■■■■■■■ / Fuller)? Robert
The 4x2 and 6x2 tractors could have the usual Gardner, ■■■■■■■ and RR options, with various David Brown 6 or 10-speed behind them, or a ZF 6-speed for the ■■■■■■■ and RR options, not to mention a Self Changing Gears option on a 6x2 tractor and on the nine 4x2 tractors for Pickfords
The 45T 6x4s usually had a 250 ■■■■■■■ with a 6-speed gearbox (they weren’t into Fuller at that stage), whilst the 75-tonner built for PHH was 250 ■■■■■■■ and 15-speed Fuller.
The 38T 6x4 tractor exhibited at Earls Court in 1968 had a 220 Rolls and a David Brown 10-speed, whilst the 4x2 shown was a 6LXB Gardner and 6-speed Brown
It had a number of differences when compared with the production versions, the most obvious being the replacement of the chrome grilles with a dummy radiator, as used on the Mk.2 cab.
When you look carefully, though, you can see that the roof is a different shape, as are the upper front wings (with different shaped vents). The rear wings hinged out on the prototype too, for (relatively) easy access to the engine, but these were deleted on the production cab and replaced by fixed, bolt-on panels.
This was also the first use of the ‘tin’ bumper and the illuminated headboard with notches for the wiper spindles, both later fitted to Mk.2 cabs.
By way of comparison, here’s the production version:
What a gem!! Thanks Dean, I didn’t even know about CJJ 409H - 408H was new to North Manchester Training Group and later moved onto Ribble Valley, and I bought the remains of it for spares in 1986.
408H was featured in the Atkinson house magazine when new:
What a gem!! Thanks Dean, I didn’t even know about CJJ 409H - 408H was new to North Manchester Training Group and later moved onto Ribble Valley, and I bought the remains of it for spares in 1986.
The main reason i was badgering you Chris is that i did not know anything about
Cheers Bewick.
