SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Thanks for the support fellas, means a lot I go back to the Hallamshire Hospital on the 3rd of Oct for full works and then hopefully he sayâs again there is no reason I canât drive HGVS and sends them a letter stating so. What gets me though is there are drivers at our place say that if they took their glasses off for driving,they wouldnât be able to see their hand in front of their face! I guess there are plenty more like that up and down the country.
If it goes to court and I win could I claim for loss of earnings and the overtime and nights out I have lost out onâ â ?
Probably not know the DVLA
If I took my glasses off I can see just not very well dont think I would like to drive without them
Like I said I had a different health problem ( it is in the family & health forum ) had to fight them all the way but did eventually win I didnt even have to go to my MP or court
So it can be done just dont give up hope or trying
If Steve goes to his consultant and gets him/her to write a letter to the medical people at the DVLA stating that his eyesight meets the relevant required levels for his licence. They have no right to deny him his licence.
He could take them to the European Court of Human Rights if Necessary,but I wouldnât think he would need to go that far.
Yep but this is DVLA medical section we are talking about
My consultants wrote several letters several times before I got mine back
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Thanks for the support fellas, means a lot I go back to the Hallamshire Hospital on the 3rd of Oct for full works and then hopefully he sayâs again there is no reason I canât drive HGVS and sends them a letter stating so. What gets me though is there are drivers at our place say that if they took their glasses off for driving,they wouldnât be able to see their hand in front of their face! I guess there are plenty more like that up and down the country.
If it goes to court and I win could I claim for loss of earnings and the overtime and nights out I have lost out onâ â ?
Probably not know the DVLA
If I took my glasses off I can see just not very well dont think I would like to drive without them
Like I said I had a different health problem ( it is in the family & health forum ) had to fight them all the way but did eventually win I didnt even have to go to my MP or court
So it can be done just dont give up hope or trying
If Steve goes to his consultant and gets him/her to write a letter to the medical people at the DVLA stating that his eyesight meets the relevant required levels for his licence. They have no right to deny him his licence.
He could take them to the European Court of Human Rights if Necessary,but I wouldnât think he would need to go that far.
Yep but this is DVLA medical section we are talking about
My consultants wrote several letters several times before I got mine back
Mine wrote one,and I got mine backâŚmany years ago.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Thanks for the support fellas, means a lot I go back to the Hallamshire Hospital on the 3rd of Oct for full works and then hopefully he sayâs again there is no reason I canât drive HGVS and sends them a letter stating so. What gets me though is there are drivers at our place say that if they took their glasses off for driving,they wouldnât be able to see their hand in front of their face! I guess there are plenty more like that up and down the country.
If it goes to court and I win could I claim for loss of earnings and the overtime and nights out I have lost out onâ â ?
Probably not know the DVLA
If I took my glasses off I can see just not very well dont think I would like to drive without them
Like I said I had a different health problem ( it is in the family & health forum ) had to fight them all the way but did eventually win I didnt even have to go to my MP or court
So it can be done just dont give up hope or trying
If Steve goes to his consultant and gets him/her to write a letter to the medical people at the DVLA stating that his eyesight meets the relevant required levels for his licence. They have no right to deny him his licence.
He could take them to the European Court of Human Rights if Necessary,but I wouldnât think he would need to go that far.
I think if Iâm right that the quacks at the DVLA are supposed to be Consultants and their word is final.
I am at the moment waiting to find out if I have got to do another stress test for them.
My licence ran out nearly a year ago but because I have a letter vsection88 I can still drive, Thatâs when my consultant can be arsed to look at my file and say wether I can go back to work or not.
Mullens:
Sorry to hear the situation you are in and hope you get it all sorted, out of interest who informed the DVLA?
I was advised by my consultant and them at work to inform them in case I was involved in an accident and it came out about my condition then I wouldâve been in the â â â â .
as you say mate fight the penpushers DVLA have too much power best thing you can do is get all the proof together like you say and present it to them, if they still refuse to accept it then take it further do not give up, good luck chap
My consultant was adamant I was fit to drive, but the DVLA wonât take his word, they prefered to pay another independent consultant who reviewed my notes and who came to the same conclusion. Bit of a farce that they wouldnât take his word, as he told me he regularly gets asked by the DVLA for a review of other peoples cases.
Sounds like the OP will eventually get his licence back, but the big problem with the DVLA is the timescale they work to, each step seems to take them several tedious months to process, probably quite normal for a 9 till 5 civil servant, but very frustrating for those of us out in the real world
So where did this âInformation about your eyesightâ come from?
Medical records are confidential. Itâs unlikely they had access to them without your consent, suggesting they have acted on hearsay, and therefore WITHOUT that consent - and without any medical evidence come to that.
Perhaps some disgruntled person has reported you for carving up their bike/drove past their Tory house in a country lane/revved their engine too near St Albans etc etc?
What they told the authorities amounts to false witness though, which is a criminal offence punishable by up to 4 years jail - should they be foolish enough to stand in court and commit perjury!
Tell DVLA that you intend to sue them, unless the malicious reporter is prosecuted by THEM for inciting them to falsely alter someoneâs records without evidence or cause. Itâs a form of slander apparently aided and abetted by DVLA staff, who at worst should have just arranged a free medical for you, and insist you turn up to âclear matters upâ.
If they do insist upon another medical to get your licence back, then fair enough. They should be paying for it though at a centre near you, since itâs their â â â â -up that you lost out in the first place - right?
they asked me for consent to look into my medical records but the â â â â â â â â on the other end of the line said they very rarely do that as it costs them hundreds of pounds to do so, so I would like to find out myself how they have come to their conclusion considering my eyesight now is a hell of a lot better than when I was driving 12 month ago when I didnt realise I had retinal tears and a detached retina!
Feel for u m8 nearly didnât get my hgv entitlement because my doctor done my eye test and filled the form in wrong luckily they sent a new form but I had to go to a opticians for the retest and passed with flying colours even tho I wear glasses my hgv dream was almost over before it even began hope it all works out Steve best of luck
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
I would like to find out myself how they have come to their conclusion considering my eyesight now is a hell of a lot better than when I was driving 12 month ago when I didnt realise I had retinal tears and a detached retina!
The bods at the DVLA Med Section work to crib sheets for the topic, they look at several questions on a sheet of pre printed A4 form with yes/no boxs. They have to ascertain the aswers to those questions from information recieved, any questions that answer no or canât be answered means a fail and your off the road, its as simple and as mercenary as that.
You have raised the option to challenge the decision in court, I looked into this and was put in touch with someone who actually succeeded in beating the DVLA in such a case, but once the ball was rolling the DVLA came out all big guns blazing and it was six years before it reached the Judge, only for the DVLA remove the licence again three years later.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
So it looks like my HGV carear is over after I recived a letter today from the fine people at the DVLA saying that they are taking my class 1 and 2 entitlement off my licence due to information they have recived regarding my eyesight. I am absolutely gutted and intend to appeal but hold out no hope as I have read on here and heard off other drivers how they take licences and livelyhoods off people even though they have medical advice and reports saying the person is fit to drive.
Iâve been to the opticians today and had a check up and they say my eyesight and vision is more or less perfect. I passed the field test and the senlen chart, they say I donât need glasses, my consultant at the hospital which is one of the main eye hospitals in the country has said in his opinion Iâm perfectly fit to drive HGVâS after having 2 operations but yet some pen pusher who sits on their arse behind a desk all day has decided iâm not!
Work have been great and they are going to put me through my forklift test so I can work in our warehouse and still have a job. Iâm going back to the hospital in October for them to do another field test and then send off the results along with a letter to the [zb] at the DVLA informing them I am going to appeal. I can see this being a long drawn out process as I know they donât like to rush about and I am thinking of getting in touch with my union to see if I could have any kind of legal help. What gets me though is that I have been waiting for over 6 weeks for them to come to this conclusion in which time I have been driving all over the country in an artic. What would have happened if I had an accident in that time? could I have been in serious [zb] by the law due to the fact I have now had my licence revoked?
Hi Steve. I had the same problem last year. Had my Medical passed with flying colours, they sent me a 88 to carrying on driving, not worth the paper its written on if you go over the pond as I do. I lost my job and house. through these {ZB} in dvla, after a lot of phone calls and consultants letters at my expense I finally got it back February this year.
26 weeks they had it. I am know in the proceeds of sueing them for 6 months loss of earnings, at the moment its in with the independent complaints commissioner, I cant say any more than that on the case at the moment. the address fir the I. C. A. is. Mr Ian Bynoe
Independent Complaints Assessor.
c/o ICA Administration,
Agency Sponsorship Team,
Department for Transport
Zone 4/33 Great Minster House
33, Horseferry Road
LONDON SW1P 4DR.
Its a long address but they are good but do take there time as any government body does thes days.
Big Ben:
I had the same problem last year. Had my Medical passed with flying colours, they sent me a 88 to carrying on driving, not worth the paper its written on if you go over the pond as I do. I lost my job and house. through these {ZB} in dvla, after a lot of phone calls and consultants letters at my expense I finally got it back February this year.
26 weeks they had it. I am know in the proceeds of sueing them for 6 months loss of earnings, at the moment its in with the independent complaints commissioner, I cant say any more than that on the case at the moment. the address fir the I. C. A. is. Mr Ian Bynoe
Independent Complaints Assessor.
c/o ICA Administration,
Agency Sponsorship Team,
Department for Transport
Zone 4/33 Great Minster House
33, Horseferry Road
LONDON SW1P 4DR.
Its a long address but they are good but do take there time as any government body does thes days.
Hi Ben, I would be interested in knowing what the criteria is before the the Independent Complaints Assessor will take a case forward, is he just looking at cases where theres been a DVLA cockup? or as in my case where my Cardiac Surgeon catagoricaly stated from day one there was no worsening of my condition, an opinion that was eventually agreed with 18 months later by the DVLA appointed heart specialist. I lost my licence for 613 days
Big Ben:
I had the same problem last year. Had my Medical passed with flying colours, they sent me a 88 to carrying on driving, not worth the paper its written on if you go over the pond as I do. I lost my job and house. through these {ZB} in dvla, after a lot of phone calls and consultants letters at my expense I finally got it back February this year.
26 weeks they had it. I am know in the proceeds of sueing them for 6 months loss of earnings, at the moment its in with the independent complaints commissioner, I cant say any more than that on the case at the moment. the address fir the I. C. A. is. Mr Ian Bynoe
Independent Complaints Assessor.
c/o ICA Administration,
Agency Sponsorship Team,
Department for Transport
Zone 4/33 Great Minster House
33, Horseferry Road
LONDON SW1P 4DR.
Its a long address but they are good but do take there time as any government body does thes days.
Hi Ben, I would be interested in knowing what the criteria is before the the Independent Complaints Assessor will take a case forward, is he just looking at cases where theres been a DVLA cockup? or as in my case where my Cardiac Surgeon catagoricaly stated from day one there was no worsening of my condition, an opinion that was eventually agreed with 18 months later by the DVLA appointed heart specialist. I lost my licence for 613 days
Thats an interesting govt. dept. as tomorrow I am in the London Heart Hospital for a visit to my consultant , the most eminent Professor for my condition in the UK, they have taken all my LGV entitlements including puddlejumpers and now they are wanting to take my car licence if they dont like the outcome of their investigations !!! I am seeing them the following week and its a consultant who qualified 6 months ago that makes their decisions I believe in my case, ( I checked up on his registration number). Has the world gone Mad.
You just have to fight them every step of the way. They tried for 13 years to say I wasnât fit to drive HGV, wouldnât grant me a provisional. They finally caved in last year, and had the cheek to back date the provisional to 1999! Nothing had changed with me medically, I have a heart condition that has never caused me any problems and has never got worse. Ironically, I had a heart attack and they still gave me my licence. I wish there was some way to make them pay for wasting 13 years of my time.
Big Ben:
I had the same problem last year. Had my Medical passed with flying colours, they sent me a 88 to carrying on driving, not worth the paper its written on if you go over the pond as I do. I lost my job and house. through these {ZB} in dvla, after a lot of phone calls and consultants letters at my expense I finally got it back February this year.
26 weeks they had it. I am know in the proceeds of sueing them for 6 months loss of earnings, at the moment its in with the independent complaints commissioner, I cant say any more than that on the case at the moment. the address fir the I. C. A. is. Mr Ian Bynoe
Independent Complaints Assessor.
c/o ICA Administration,
Agency Sponsorship Team,
Department for Transport
Zone 4/33 Great Minster House
33, Horseferry Road
LONDON SW1P 4DR.
Its a long address but they are good but do take there time as any government body does thes days.
Hi Ben, I would be interested in knowing what the criteria is before the the Independent Complaints Assessor will take a case forward, is he just looking at cases where theres been a DVLA cockup? or as in my case where my Cardiac Surgeon catagoricaly stated from day one there was no worsening of my condition, an opinion that was eventually agreed with 18 months later by the DVLA appointed heart specialist. I lost my licence for 613 days
Hi. Yes the procedure is as follows:- Complain to the dvla hgv licence department. then complain to the customer services at dvla, then go to the I. C. A. Then if no joy go to your M.P. and ask for the form to fill in to go to The Parliamentary Ombudsman a copy of the procedure with them is available on www.ombudsman.org.uk If you require any more info just quote me on here and ill get back to you asap. No I had cardiac problems that turned out with no problem, they also sent me for a cardiac exam, but was better than it was 2 years ago because I lost 4 stone, they also sent me foe eye test passed with flying colours, my assumption is I paid money for an HGV medical with my GP and passed whats the bloody problem then. Its age discrimination, and the DVLA HAVE DENIED YOU THE RIGHT TO WORK remember those words.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
So it looks like my HGV carear is over after I recived a letter today from the fine people at the DVLA saying that they are taking my class 1 and 2 entitlement off my licence due to information they have recived regarding my eyesight. I am absolutely gutted and intend to appeal but hold out no hope as I have read on here and heard off other drivers how they take licences and livelyhoods off people even though they have medical advice and reports saying the person is fit to drive.
Iâve been to the opticians today and had a check up and they say my eyesight and vision is more or less perfect. I passed the field test and the senlen chart, they say I donât need glasses, my consultant at the hospital which is one of the main eye hospitals in the country has said in his opinion Iâm perfectly fit to drive HGVâS after having 2 operations but yet some pen pusher who sits on their arse behind a desk all day has decided iâm not!
Work have been great and they are going to put me through my forklift test so I can work in our warehouse and still have a job. Iâm going back to the hospital in October for them to do another field test and then send off the results along with a letter to the [zb] at the DVLA informing them I am going to appeal. I can see this being a long drawn out process as I know they donât like to rush about and I am thinking of getting in touch with my union to see if I could have any kind of legal help. What gets me though is that I have been waiting for over 6 weeks for them to come to this conclusion in which time I have been driving all over the country in an artic. What would have happened if I had an accident in that time? could I have been in serious [zb] by the law due to the fact I have now had my licence revoked?
Donât give up. A driver at my place was in the same boat and was soon back driving after 3 months
Big Ben:
I had the same problem last year. Had my Medical passed with flying colours, they sent me a 88 to carrying on driving, not worth the paper its written on if you go over the pond as I do. I lost my job and house. through these {ZB} in dvla, after a lot of phone calls and consultants letters at my expense I finally got it back February this year.
26 weeks they had it. I am know in the proceeds of sueing them for 6 months loss of earnings, at the moment its in with the independent complaints commissioner, I cant say any more than that on the case at the moment. the address fir the I. C. A. is. Mr Ian Bynoe
Independent Complaints Assessor.
c/o ICA Administration,
Agency Sponsorship Team,
Department for Transport
Zone 4/33 Great Minster House
33, Horseferry Road
LONDON SW1P 4DR.
Its a long address but they are good but do take there time as any government body does thes days.
Hi Ben, I would be interested in knowing what the criteria is before the the Independent Complaints Assessor will take a case forward, is he just looking at cases where theres been a DVLA cockup? or as in my case where my Cardiac Surgeon catagoricaly stated from day one there was no worsening of my condition, an opinion that was eventually agreed with 18 months later by the DVLA appointed heart specialist. I lost my licence for 613 days
Hi. Yes the procedure is as follows:- Complain to the dvla hgv licence department. then complain to the customer services at dvla, then go to the I. C. A. Then if no joy go to your M.P. and ask for the form to fill in to go to The Parliamentary Ombudsman a copy of the procedure with them is available on ombudsman.org.uk If you require any more info just quote me on here and ill get back to you asap. No I had cardiac problems that turned out with no problem, they also sent me for a cardiac exam, but was better than it was 2 years ago because I lost 4 stone, they also sent me foe eye test passed with flying colours, my assumption is I paid money for an HGV medical with my GP and passed whats the bloody problem then. Its age discrimination, and the DVLA HAVE DENIED YOU THE RIGHT TO WORK remember those words.
I go back to the Hallamshire Hospital on the 3rd of Oct for full works and then hopefully he sayâs again there is no reason I canât drive HGVS and sends them a letter stating so. What gets me though is there are drivers at our place say that if they took their glasses off for driving,they wouldnât be able to see their hand in front of their face!
I guess there are plenty more like that up and down the country.
Itâs a form of slander apparently aided and abetted by DVLA staff, who at worst should have just arranged a free medical for you, and insist you turn up to âclear matters upâ.
