Just been informed by the examiners this morning that next September the testing vehicle will have to be part loaded. They were unsure exactly how much weight has to be carried.
As yet can’t find any info on the direct gov website.
Just been informed by the examiners this morning that next September the testing vehicle will have to be part loaded. They were unsure exactly how much weight has to be carried.
As yet can’t find any info on the direct gov website.
elmet training:
Just been informed by the examiners this morning that next September the testing vehicle will have to be part loaded. They were unsure exactly how much weight has to be carried.As yet can’t find any info on the direct gov website.
That is because they have been SUGGESTING that for at least 8 years !!
This issue has been rumbling along for years because they cannot agree on the safest way to proceed
There is also the financial consideration because trainers would use more fuel with a load on and that would put up training prices which could have a knock on effect on the number taking up courses and therefore testing - the less testing the less examiners needed so in effect they might be shooting themselves in the foot !!
The rules are due for implimentation on 30th Sept 2013 but there is a possibility they will be put back AGAIN!.
The loads are IBC’s full of water.
CAT C 5 IBC’s
DRAWBAR TRAILER 3 IBC’s
ARTIC TRAILER 8 IBC’s
For BE, C1E, D1E the load is 600kgs of sand in clearly marked transparent bags.
The rules of actual gross weights have been scrubbed as they are unenforceable.
Hope this helps, Pete
There is also the financial consideration because trainers would use more fuel with a load on and that would put up training prices
Perfectly valid point and something that anyone thinking about training perhaps should bear in mind. It isn’t just fuel. There will be more wear on clutch, tyres, brakes. Suspension should be better off as we wont be “bouncing” down the road!
I fully support the move but there should have been more weight involved IMO.
Pete
Examiner told me the load weight will depend on the GVW he said he was unsure of the ratio tho.
Peter Smythe:
CAT C 5 IBC’s
DRAWBAR TRAILER 3 IBC’s
ARTIC TRAILER 8 IBC’s
Peter,
There’s possibly a bit more thinking for them to do because if they’ve shied away from stating an actual weight then they’ll have to decide which size(s) of IBCs are acceptable.
Generally speaking, IBCs for liquids are bigger than 500L/400kg up to and including 3,000L.
The commonest IBCs are usually of 1,000L size, so if we’re talking of filling them with water, then a 1,000L IBC will weigh approx 1 tonne.
Well, something else that is different in France. When I did my C I had 7 tons (IIRC) of concrete blocks in the back, and when I did my C+E I had 17 tons of concrete block in the back.
There’s possibly a bit more thinking for them to do because if they’ve shied away from stating an actual weight then they’ll have to decide which size(s) of IBCs are acceptable.
Generally speaking, IBCs for liquids are bigger than 500L/400kg up to and including 3,000L.
The commonest IBCs are usually of 1,000L size, so if we’re talking of filling them with water, then a 1,000L IBC will weigh approx 1 tonne.
Thanks Dave. My fault, should have been more specific. The IBS’s are 1000 litre - ie 1 tonne approx.
The reason they’ve binned the actual weight is the inability to ascertain this at many test stations. The ulw is unknown and weighbridges have limited availability especially with Customer Sites such as mine.
But a vehicle like mine has an ulw of 5000kgs approx is clearly going to end up around 10,000kgs. I can see that some vehicles could get close to their MPW but I doubt if this will actually be a problem.
The next challenge will be load security. With many examiners never having driven a truck in anger, they may have some strange ideas about what is secure and what isn’t.
Pete
Examiner told me the load weight will depend on the GVW he said he was unsure of the ratio tho.
That’s because the ratio has been scrapped! The GVW now has nothing to do with it as they cant ascertain the weight on presentation for test. But they can see 5 x 1000ltr IBC’s full of water in the back.
Hope that helps, Pete
Hello,
I’m a fitter and regularly take vehicles for test, 13m tri axle trailers do not have to be loaded for test. I put about 2/3t across any other axles for tamden trailers rigids ect ect… Solo units will be load simulated (take a bit of card board the size of the 5th wheel vosa DO NOT like a grubby simulator) also leave about a meter or so of space on the back of any trailers/rigids in case they want want to use the simulator.
I’ve never had any problems and there’s probably exact guidelines but I’ve never had any issues so il stick to what I know.
A word of also warning I’ve heard a fella took a 13m to test with one dolly in the back. Vosa classed the trailer as loaded so failed test…
I hope this helps
Snap-on Harry:
Hello,I’m a fitter and regularly take vehicles for test, 13m tri axle trailers do not have to be loaded for test. I put about 2/3t across any other axles for tamden trailers rigids ect ect… Solo units will be load simulated (take a bit of card board the size of the 5th wheel vosa DO NOT like a grubby simulator) also leave about a meter or so of space on the back of any trailers/rigids in case they want want to use the simulator.
I’ve never had any problems and there’s probably exact guidelines but I’ve never had any issues so il stick to what I know.
A word of also warning I’ve heard a fella took a 13m to test with one dolly in the back. Vosa classed the trailer as loaded so failed test…
I hope this helps
I think you have got - wrong end of stick - as this is about vehicles being loaded for the DSA driving test
ROG:
Snap-on Harry:
Hello,I’m a fitter and regularly take vehicles for test, 13m tri axle trailers do not have to be loaded for test. I put about 2/3t across any other axles for tamden trailers rigids ect ect… Solo units will be load simulated (take a bit of card board the size of the 5th wheel vosa DO NOT like a grubby simulator) also leave about a meter or so of space on the back of any trailers/rigids in case they want want to use the simulator.
I’ve never had any problems and there’s probably exact guidelines but I’ve never had any issues so il stick to what I know.
A word of also warning I’ve heard a fella took a 13m to test with one dolly in the back. Vosa classed the trailer as loaded so failed test…
I hope this helps
I think you have got - wrong end of stick - as this is about vehicles being loaded for the DSA driving test
Haha sorry mate was a rush read on the train. I’m with ya
I think its a good idea to test with a loaded vehicle (train also). I found it quite a difference when I took a 44 tonner out the day I got my licence back from DVLA
Tazbug
Why not divide the GVW by 4 then to determine the load to be carried.
Example 18t gross weight divide 4 = 4.5t then round up to 5t
12t GVW divide divide 4 = 3t to be carried
I can’t see a problem this way.
I have never understood why the trucks GVW isn’t declared when naming a test.
Why not divide the GVW by 4 then to determine the load to be carried.
Example 18t gross weight divide 4 = 4.5t then round up to 5t
12t GVW divide divide 4 = 3t to be carriedI can’t see a problem this way.
Nor can I. But the great and good seem to prefer the other method.
I have never understood why the trucks GVW isn’t declared when naming a test.
Why? What difference would it make?
Pete
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Why not divide the GVW by 4 then to determine the load to be carried.Example 18t gross weight divide 4 = 4.5t then round up to 5t
12t GVW divide divide 4 = 3t to be carriedI can’t see a problem this way.
Thought …
Would that then encourage those with 18 tonners to downplate them to a lower GVW so that less ballast weight would be needed and therefore less fuel/wear & tear ?
If the trucks were down plated I can’t see a problem.
Peter once sat in on a test the examiner said " follow the road ahead it has a weight limit but I have a exemption permit" I thought strange weight limit was 18t and we were in a 12t truck.
elmet training:
Why not divide the GVW by 4 then to determine the load to be carried.Example 18t gross weight divide 4 = 4.5t then round up to 5t
12t GVW divide divide 4 = 3t to be carriedI can’t see a problem this way.
Surely anything but the simplest system would be beyond the administrative capabilites of the DSA (or any government dept.)