MJJ_ZX6RR:
Macski:
But there isn’t enough cobolt or lithium mined in the world in order to replace ICE car manufacturing just in the UK, and then there are questions of whether the electric supply could cope and where do you charge all these vehicles.
Again, the material supply point is a true statement and a very valid concern, but isolated in context.
Supply and Demand means we mine what we need. General consensus (one example from the World Economic Forum - Electric vehicle demand – has the world got enough lithium? | World Economic Forum) is that there is enough lithium reserves on the planet, but how realistic it is to mine is still up for debate.
Scientists and Engineers will find solutions that require less of the rare elements. We will get better at recycling these elements from existing batteries. As customers understand how to fit an EV into their life, the size of batteries in each car will be reduced.
The national grid have confirmed many times that there is enough electricity and infrastructure to support a high paced EV rollout. They will scale as needed too.
However, we should all avoid letting a future theoretical challenge stop us making small progress steps today.
In the early 1900s when the horse and cart owners were presented with internal combustion engine as progress, there were very few petrol stations and no plan as to how enough oil could be extracted.
When the demand is there, companies will find solutions to satisfy the demand.
I do agree 100% with the cost point. The starting point for a new EV these days (excluding the quadricycle type vehicle) is about £30k, but as the number of used EVs increases, that will improve too.
I am very cheap when it comes to cars, and the most I have spent on a car in decades is £4k. I like to buy cheap and keep another car on the road. However, for those of us buying brand new, there is very little (outside emotion and possibly misplaced fear) to stop us going EV on the next purchase.
The same arguments and conclusions apply to the electric HGV too in my mind. More expensive and with some question marks about how operating one in practice will work. If we all expect an EV HGV to operate exactly the same as a diesel one, we will arrive at 2035 and be surprised to find that we cannot buy a truck any more.
Martin.
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MJJ_ZX6RR:
Macski:
But there isn’t enough cobolt or lithium mined in the world in order to replace ICE car manufacturing just in the UK, and then there are questions of whether the electric supply could cope and where do you charge all these vehicles.
Again, the material supply point is a true statement and a very valid concern, but isolated in context.
Supply and Demand means we mine what we need. General consensus (one example from the World Economic Forum - Electric vehicle demand – has the world got enough lithium? | World Economic Forum) is that there is enough lithium reserves on the planet, but how realistic it is to mine is still up for debate.
Scientists and Engineers will find solutions that require less of the rare elements. We will get better at recycling these elements from existing batteries. As customers understand how to fit an EV into their life, the size of batteries in each car will be reduced.
The national grid have confirmed many times that there is enough electricity and infrastructure to support a high paced EV rollout. They will scale as needed too.
However, we should all avoid letting a future theoretical challenge stop us making small progress steps today.
In the early 1900s when the horse and cart owners were presented with internal combustion engine as progress, there were very few petrol stations and no plan as to how enough oil could be extracted.
When the demand is there, companies will find solutions to satisfy the demand.
I do agree 100% with the cost point. The starting point for a new EV these days (excluding the quadricycle type vehicle) is about £30k, but as the number of used EVs increases, that will improve too.
I am very cheap when it comes to cars, and the most I have spent on a car in decades is £4k. I like to buy cheap and keep another car on the road. However, for those of us buying brand new, there is very little (outside emotion and possibly misplaced fear) to stop us going EV on the next purchase.
The same arguments and conclusions apply to the electric HGV too in my mind. More expensive and with some question marks about how operating one in practice will work. If we all expect an EV HGV to operate exactly the same as a diesel one, we will arrive at 2035 and be surprised to find that we cannot buy a truck any more.
Martin.
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Batteries have been around a very long time and while the technology has come a long way in recent years there will be a limit to it, as for lithium the report does say if it is of sufficient standard and can be got at, what about the other metals? It is not isolated in context because they are needed and while one day there might be a solution, one day their might be a cure for cancer.
Why can’t scientist and engineers come up with a non polluting ICE car. there is a demand for it.
As for the national grid coping, yers they say it can cope, here is another but, it can’t. Look at the details, they are talking about smart chargers that will reduce and cut off EV charging. The demand will go up by 1000,s of percent, why was the grid built with so much excess capacity tpo cope and how do you get EV charging to people in terrace houses for example, they can’t fast charge to often.
However you know why I know the electric supply can’t cope, it can’t now, there have been outages in the USA and UK can’t always produce enough power and needs to buy it in. If you look at most countries there isn’t much excess generating capacity to cope with all these EV cars and trucks and to get rid of gas heating…
These scientists and engineers best get a move on with their solutions, yet they are leaving to become truck drivers 
