I’ve read that link you posted, and to be honest I found it very interesting. Well written and Informative.
Still worrying to know all you have to do is attended a classroom session to be able to carry all manner of things eg radio-actives.
And nothing is mentioned about restraining a load which could harm,poison many people.
It’s like they hand professional driver qualifications out willy nilly, to anybody who turns up!
Is that true?
chester:
I’ve read that link you posted, and to be honest I found it very interesting. Well written and Informative.Still worrying to know all you have to do is attended a classroom session to be able to carry all manner of things eg radio-actives.
And nothing is mentioned about restraining a load which could harm,poison many people.It’s like they hand professional driver qualifications out willy nilly, to anybody who turns up!
Is that true?
Sadly yes, that is true! 
I don’t think it’s right, and I’m not happy about it! As I wouldn’t trust a “number” of my classmates to secure a load, as some had no real practical skills whatsoever and came from COMPLETELY different industries.
And so you know, I have every skill you need to build a house, and also did a MechEng Degree. So I’m no idiot. But the sad reality is that until they stop the “periodic” DCPC for new entrants to the industry, you are going to see issues with insecure loads.
For me, I’d look to cross strap it, and generally strap the crap out of it until a few experienced drivers had told me different! 
And even then, I’d be checking on here first! 
another modern day cpc card automatic moron driver showing there skills, i wonder which one of you guys will be next to over turn one ? there is no way anything can cut you up or force you to turn over on a roundabout as you would be going to slow unless of course you dont have the brains to understand it, well i guess there is one good thing to come out of it, at least he might learn how to slow down from now on
quote … And so you know, I have every skill you need to build a house, and also did a MechEng Degree. So I’m no idiot. But the sad reality is that until they stop the “periodic” DCPC for new entrants to the industry, you are going to see issues with insecure loads.
And now you drive a truck which is not exactly brain surgery ■■
For me the CPC fiasco is just another way of ‘inventing’ an industry to keep unemployment figures down, a bit like H&S.
I don’t have a problem with that per se because it gives people a job and something to do. But when you come to think of it a 30 year old bloke that’s hardly ever driven a truck can qualify as a trainer and then try to teach a bloke that’s been driving for say 40 years how he should be doing his job. Seems ridiculous to me. CPC should be for newly qualified drivers who obviously have no idea just to give them the basic building blocks then they can build on that with experience and asking old hands like we used to.
Our driver trainer has done just about every job going…he says [emoji57] Occasionally we get agency drivers that know him from a previous job he was at and a few have said he was taken off the road and put yard shunting because he kept hitting things [emoji1] another case of knowing it on paper but can’t actually do it.
I think what annoys me is how we are now no longer individuals with different skill sets and levels. We all now have to be treated like the lowest quality of driver, I.e he’s an idiot so your all idiots.
No wonder everything takes twice as long and costs twice as much to do as it used to [emoji36]
Evil8Beezle:
But ADR is not the issue, it’s the fact that a Newbie can enter the industry with no training about securing a load!
Not true: I had to do the Module 2 and Module 4 tests because I started after the requirement came in. I had to demonstrate that I could use a ratchet strap, internal strap and a rope and dolly knot to secure a load. I was also briefly trained on chaining a load but you only have to show three of the four on a test rig when you go for your practical test.
Now I can ratchet strap and internal strap with the best of them. I’m not too bad with chains either. I couldn’t tie a dolly knot to save my life because I learned it to pass a test four years ago and haven’t needed it since.
I’m clearing my CPC requirement until 2021 this week and because I move a number of different types of load, I’ve done flatbeds, tauts, walking floors, boxes, reefers et al during my four years, I have chosen to do one day on loading and restraining loads. It is a ballsache and it is creative paperwork, but if I have to do it I may as well get the most benefit from it I can.
desypete:
another modern day cpc card automatic moron driver showing there skills, i wonder which one of you guys will be next to over turn one ? there is no way anything can cut you up or force you to turn over on a roundabout as you would be going to slow unless of course you dont have the brains to understand it, well i guess there is one good thing to come out of it, at least he might learn how to slow down from now on
That could also be a problem of CPC training. In one module we are told to slow the hell down at roundabouts and tight corners to prevent the risk of accident. In another we are told how strapping this and securing that eliminates the risk of rollover. In the eco-driving module we are told to maintain momentum where possible for economy and to reduce the wear on mechanical components. Three CPC modules, all government approved, all contradicting each other.
I would slow down at a roundabout or tight corner to be sure. 1) I’m the one in the driving seat so I’m the one going to get hurt if it goes wrong. 2) Straps are all well and good, but there is always a chance that a strap can break, or the pallet can shift inside its shrink wrap or corrosion to the trailer can weaken the strapping points. I could do everything right and it still go wrong. 3) A gallon of diesel is a lot cheaper for the company that a recovery job, repair job or at worst case, a new truck.
nomiS36:
Our driver trainer has done just about every job going…he says [emoji57] Occasionally we get agency drivers that know him from a previous job he was at and a few have said he was taken off the road and put yard shunting because he kept hitting things [emoji1] another case of knowing it on paper but can’t actually do it.
There is nothing wrong with that. I used to be an army cadet and trained three consecutive county marksmanship champions in principals of marksmanship and skill at arms. I couldn’t hit a barn door at 20 paces with a sniper rifle, but I know how it should be done and could communicate that.
nsmith1180:
Evil8Beezle:
But ADR is not the issue, it’s the fact that a Newbie can enter the industry with no training about securing a load!Not true: I had to do the Module 2 and Module 4 tests because I started after the requirement came in. I had to demonstrate that I could use a ratchet strap, internal strap and a rope and dolly knot to secure a load. I was also briefly trained on chaining a load but you only have to show three of the four on a test rig when you go for your practical test.
Try reading my posts again, as you missed the point!
Just because YOU had to do Mod2 & Mod4, doesn’t mean everyone else currently has to…
Plot twist, local competitor company paid aliens from outer space to do it with a traction beam.
Now we have a conspiracy theory too!
£30 fine for no trailer plate as well.
Ken.
Quinny:
£30 fine for no trailer plate as well.Ken.
plus he didn’t indicate