My company have recently got a hard on about people not doing manual entries in the morning because they haven’t been doing the manual entry that shows overnight they were on rest. Apparently theres something about “assumed rest” and that this is no longet OK? I always do a manual to show I was on rest overnight or over the weekend and assumed everyone did. Apparently this “assumed rest” is not OK and could cause huge problems with the authorities?! So no big deal so far, however, for the last week and half I haven’t been on the road in the truck (I’ve actually been a driver’s mate in a van, not driving at all) and so my boss is telling me I HAVE to submit manual entries for every working day, including my breaks when I haven’t been near the truck. I explained that seems daft and gave an example of lets say a full time worker who is part time driver/part time warehouse worker. Lets says this worker has just done 3 weeks solid in the warehouse and has not been near a truck and then gets back into the cab and HAS to submit over 20 manual entries (or is that 40 when you add in breaks?) to show what he has been doing over the last 3 weeks, all unrelated to actual HGV driving, which is what I thoght tacos were for!
You need to have the previous 28 days of records when driving under the EU regulations.
It doesn’t have to be via manual entry, you can do by writing on the back of a printout or wax chart. And in a very recent change for any fixed week (0000 Mon - 2400 sun) with no EU regulations driving in it you can do block records, but they’ve massively over complicated what was supposed to make it easier.
Personally for you if not going out in a truck I’d try and use a tacho at the start or end of a shift or every few shifts and update your records via manual entry.
They are right you now need to record the rest period and holiday / sick days under the bed symbol. If you don’t do a manual entry then the time the card is out will be recorded as ?, This was previously accepted as rest if there was no evidence to the contrary
stevieboy308:
You need to have the previous 28 days of records when driving under the EU regulations.
So to clarify, as in the above example not driving in a truck means this isn’t needed?
stevieboy308:
It doesn’t have to be via manual entry, you can do by writing on the back of a printout or wax chart. And in a very recent change for any fixed week (0000 Mon - 2400 sun) with no EU regulations driving in it you can do block records, but they’ve massively over complicated what was supposed to make it easier.
My work have my start finish times, as I am sure do 99% of firms, so If I’m not driving in a truck with a taco I have no need to log anything right?
stevieboy308:
Personally for you if not going out in a truck I’d try and use a tacho at the start or end of a shift or every few shifts and update your records via manual entry.
If I am not going out in a truck, why would I need to go anywhere near a taco? I am missing something?
stevieboy308:
They are right you now need to record the rest period and holiday / sick days under the bed symbol. If you don’t do a manual entry then the time the card is out will be recorded as ?, This was previously accepted as rest if there was no evidence to the contrary
So a normal driver who works 100% in a truck (unlike the part timer example above) has to record rest and holidays, that seems fine as I always for example on a Monday morning first thing create a manual entry and enter that I have been on rest since the previous Friday when I last took my card out. I am assuming all is well with that?
So to clarify, If I am not in a truck for a week or 3 weeks do I really have to ■■■■ about with manual entries for each day? Or I can simply create that usual manual entry saying I was on rest (even if I was technically working on other non truck duties)
If you are driving a truck under the EU regulations, the you need a record of your work for that shift and previous 28 days along with the rest periods.
It doesn’t matter if all the other work in that 28 days is driving a truck or non of it is driving a truck, you need the 28 days of records.
You don’t have go near a truck and do a manual entry if you’ve not been driving one, you could make that record on the back of a printout or wax chart. I’m just saying if I were you and you have easy access to a truck, then I’d choose to do a manual entry every few days so I’d have a full record on my card, I don’t find manual entries hard and it just saves carrying a load of printouts about and remembering to hand them in on time.
Yep, this is no issue for a full-time driver and what you’ve been doing and me too is now what must be done.
No you definitely can’t record 3 weeks other work as rest, that’s falsification of records, which whilst unlikely can carry jail time in extreme cases.
You can either sit and do 3 weeks of manual entries, Or do it much easier every couple of days like I suggested, or write it down on the back of a printout and hand it after 28 days and before 42 , or make 2 copies! If the start to end time of your written records is the full-time you card was out then don’t do a manual entry, this will record ? For the time the card was out, or if you need to add time via manual entry to meet the start / end of your written records, then add time under given mode, then ? For the time covered by the written record, then add time under the given mode till your card went in
The assumed rest is something from the first generation of digital tachos, defo the VDO ones. For the time off card it would leave a ? which is classed as unknown but is assumed to be rest.
Nowadays with the newer units you can manually input rest periods overnight which covers it.
toonsy:
The assumed rest is something from the first generation of digital tachos, defo the VDO ones. For the time off card it would leave a ? which is classed as unknown but is assumed to be rest.
Nowadays with the newer units you can manually input rest periods overnight which covers it.
All digital tacho work the same on this, if you don’t do a manual entry, then the time the card is out will be recorded as ?
All digital tachos allow you to do manual entries.
What has changed is previously ? Was accepted as rest if there was no evidence to the contrary, now you must record the rest periods and holiday / sick days under the bed symbol
As yet I haven’t seen any evidence that the UK will implement that part of the EU mobility package, I’m not saying it won’t be implemented in the UK but as yet, as far as I’m aware, there are no plans to implement the whole package.
Having said that, any drivers going into EU countries will obviously have to comply with the whole of the mobility package and there’s still time for the UK government to follow the EU like sheep
