Tacho

[swedish_blue]

There are 2 threads running at the moment about fraud and manipulation.
Come 2018, all new trucks will have to be fitted with the latest type of tacho. This is the one with the transmitter fitted, so that DVSA can download information remotely.
After 15 years, 2033, ALL trucks will have to have the new type fitted.

I wonder if the 2 threads will still be running then

[muckles]

That will be 3 threads running now then

Apparently the authorities will only be able to remotely download certain info, (and I’m willing to believe that will last, )
and they’ll be GPS data as well.

The data exchanged during a “scan” will relate to the following events or data recorded by the tachograph:
the latest security breach attempt
the longest power supply interruption
sensor fault
motion data error
vehicle motion conflict
driving without a valid card
card insertion while driving
time adjustment data
calibration data including the dates of the two most recent calibrations
vehicle registration data
speed recorded by the tachograph.

And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

[el_presidente]

Will they have a Yoda style DVSA robot scutting underneath the bucket of rust tapping everything with a cobblers hammer?!

[andrewg]

muckles:
That will be 3 threads running now then

Apparently the authorities will only be able to remotely download certain info, (and I’m willing to believe that will last, )
and they’ll be GPS data as well.

The data exchanged during a “scan” will relate to the following events or data recorded by the tachograph:
the latest security breach attempt
the longest power supply interruption
sensor fault
motion data error
vehicle motion conflict
driving without a valid card
card insertion while driving
time adjustment data
calibration data including the dates of the two most recent calibrations
vehicle registration data
speed recorded by the tachograph.

And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Although as you say some robot will most likely be at the wheel, if an IT genius developes such a system there will always be IT geeks out there able to corrupt a simple tachograph…if the CIA can be hacked…

[evil8beezle]

muckles:
Apparently the authorities will only be able to remotely download certain info, (and I’m willing to believe that will last, )
and they’ll be GPS data as well.

The data exchanged during a “scan” will relate to the following events or data recorded by the tachograph:
the latest security breach attempt
the longest power supply interruption
sensor fault
motion data error
vehicle motion conflict
driving without a valid card
card insertion while driving
time adjustment data
calibration data including the dates of the two most recent calibrations
vehicle registration data
speed recorded by the tachograph.

Which when tied in with ANPR, and some decent searching algorithms to scan and compare data, a bent truck will stand out like a giant ■■■■■…

muckles:
And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Not just beer tonight then?

[muckles]

Evil8Beezle:

muckles:
And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Not just beer tonight then?

This is the type of stuff my mind thinks up before the drugs.

[evil8beezle]

AndrewG:

muckles:
That will be 3 threads running now then

Apparently the authorities will only be able to remotely download certain info, (and I’m willing to believe that will last, )
and they’ll be GPS data as well.

The data exchanged during a “scan” will relate to the following events or data recorded by the tachograph:
the latest security breach attempt
the longest power supply interruption
sensor fault
motion data error
vehicle motion conflict
driving without a valid card
card insertion while driving
time adjustment data
calibration data including the dates of the two most recent calibrations
vehicle registration data
speed recorded by the tachograph.

And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Although as you say some robot will most likely be at the wheel, if an IT genius developes such a system there will always be IT geeks out there able to corrupt a simple tachograph…if the CIA can be hacked…

It’s the GPS data that screws tampering with the tacho, as this GPS data has to also match an external source, the ANPR database!
I can’t see how a hacker is going to be able to make them match…

[evil8beezle]

muckles:

Evil8Beezle:

muckles:
And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Not just beer tonight then?

This is the type of stuff my mind thinks up before the drugs.

What does the other half of you think?

[muckles]

AndrewG:

muckles:
That will be 3 threads running now then

Apparently the authorities will only be able to remotely download certain info, (and I’m willing to believe that will last, )
and they’ll be GPS data as well.

The data exchanged during a “scan” will relate to the following events or data recorded by the tachograph:
the latest security breach attempt
the longest power supply interruption
sensor fault
motion data error
vehicle motion conflict
driving without a valid card
card insertion while driving
time adjustment data
calibration data including the dates of the two most recent calibrations
vehicle registration data
speed recorded by the tachograph.

And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Although as you say some robot will most likely be at the wheel, if an IT genius developes such a system there will always be IT geeks out there able to corrupt a simple tachograph…if the CIA can be hacked…

Of course it’s a cat and mouse game which each side trying to get a step ahead,
For me personally I have no reason to float the regs, no more than maybe running a few minutes over to get home, I can’t see what benefit it is for the average driver to break the regs, mostly the benefit is for the owner or those who get a business advantage from undercutting the competition, which if left undetected affects those that run legal, it bad enough that companies cut the rates so they have to run their drivers for every possible legal hour and without going beyond that.

I personally hate loads of surveillance and we get more and more regs and surveillance thrown at as to keep ahead of those that break the law.

[muckles]

Evil8Beezle:

muckles:

Evil8Beezle:

muckles:
And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Not just beer tonight then?

This is the type of stuff my mind thinks up before the drugs.

What does the other half of you think?

Thinks it’s a bloody silly thing to write, as obviously there won’t be robots, it’ll be hard wired trucks, but that side is bloody boring (you wouldn’t want to meet it on a night out or in an RDC waiting room, it starts talking about torque level of the latest Scania in a silly nasal drawl) so I try and ignore it most of the time.

[evil8beezle]

muckles:
Thinks it’s a bloody silly thing to write, as obviously there won’t be robots, it’ll be hard wired trucks, but that side is bloody boring (you wouldn’t want to meet it on a night out or in an RDC waiting room, it starts talking about torque level of the latest Scania in a silly nasal drawl) so I try and ignore it most of the time.

So you and CF don’t post at the same time?

[muckles]

Evil8Beezle:

muckles:
Thinks it’s a bloody silly thing to write, as obviously there won’t be robots, it’ll be hard wired trucks, but that side is bloody boring (you wouldn’t want to meet it on a night out or in an RDC waiting room, it starts talking about torque level of the latest Scania in a silly nasal drawl) so I try and ignore it most of the time.

So you and CF don’t post at the same time?

Now there’s a conspiracy theory,

[evil8beezle]

muckles:

Evil8Beezle:

muckles:
Thinks it’s a bloody silly thing to write, as obviously there won’t be robots, it’ll be hard wired trucks, but that side is bloody boring (you wouldn’t want to meet it on a night out or in an RDC waiting room, it starts talking about torque level of the latest Scania in a silly nasal drawl) so I try and ignore it most of the time.

So you and CF don’t post at the same time?

Now there’s a conspiracy theory,

Or a basket case…

[conor]

The thing that lets down all of these scams is the paper trail, the one thing the driver has no control over. Fuel card usage, tolls, ferry/Eurotunnel bookings and even delivery notes can all land you in the crap.

[weeto]

Some think this technology is here already, and interestingly the equipment for enforcement officers will not be mandatory for 15 years following the introduction of the new tachograph (2033).
So just like now they will still not catch many offenders, and with this being an EU thing, would UK plc just ignore it after brexit, if it’s going cost an absolute fortune to give every enforcement officer with the equipment.

[franglais]

weeto:
Some think this technology is here already, and interestingly the equipment for enforcement officers will not be mandatory for 15 years following the introduction of the new tachograph (2033).
So just like now they will still not catch many offenders, and with this being an EU thing, would UK plc just ignore it after brexit, if it’s going cost an absolute fortune to give every enforcement officer with the equipment.

Buy a new laptop, plug it into a bent truck, extract fines. Can`t see any Police, VOSA, or anyone not doing it.

[sand_fisher]

muckles:
That will be 3 threads running now then

Apparently the authorities will only be able to remotely download certain info, (and I’m willing to believe that will last, )
and they’ll be GPS data as well.

The data exchanged during a “scan” will relate to the following events or data recorded by the tachograph:
the latest security breach attempt
the longest power supply interruption
sensor fault
motion data error
vehicle motion conflict
driving without a valid card
card insertion while driving
time adjustment data
calibration data including the dates of the two most recent calibrations
vehicle registration data
speed recorded by the tachograph.

And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Be interesting to see the arguments taking place retrospectively of who moved that truck in the yard?

I wouldn’t mind all this obsession but we are hardly the airline industry. Imagine a pilot on £7.55 / hour. Oh wait does Ryan Air view this site?

[mshenderson]

It’s about time we started saying no to the appalling wages on offer for driving a truck. I know we have to make a living but whist people are working for the likes of Stobarts for 11.00 per hour and think that is decent the money will never improve

[weeto]

Evil8Beezle:

AndrewG:

muckles:
That will be 3 threads running now then

Apparently the authorities will only be able to remotely download certain info, (and I’m willing to believe that will last, )
and they’ll be GPS data as well.

The data exchanged during a “scan” will relate to the following events or data recorded by the tachograph:
the latest security breach attempt
the longest power supply interruption
sensor fault
motion data error
vehicle motion conflict
driving without a valid card
card insertion while driving
time adjustment data
calibration data including the dates of the two most recent calibrations
vehicle registration data
speed recorded by the tachograph.

And by 2033 they might be pulling some robot, see it now stood by the truck, in a dirty hi viz, slight paunch after eating a few to many silicon chips, while the DVSA robot goes through the cab looking for empty cans of oil.

Although as you say some robot will most likely be at the wheel, if an IT genius developes such a system there will always be IT geeks out there able to corrupt a simple tachograph…if the CIA can be hacked…

It’s the GPS data that screws tampering with the tacho, as this GPS data has to also match an external source, the ANPR database!
I can’t see how a hacker is going to be able to make them match…

The deal with GPS equipped tachographs apparently has nothing to do with the authorities being able to see exactly where you have been that day, it’s more to do with recording where the vehicle stops and starts at the end/beginning of the day, just like we used to do on a disc, which would would save drivers logging on/off in the country they are in.

Integrating a Global Positioning System (GPS) with the digital tachograph is
intended to capture data about start and stop locations. Currently the
tachograph simply captures a country code – for instance, UK. Recording where
trucks start and stop will be of little additional help to hauliers who already have
this information, but it is argued that it could be a valuable time-saver for
roadside enforcement officers trying to determine if tachograph data is accurate.
http://motortransport.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Change_is_on_the_cards_-_A_Motor_Transport_White_Paper_in_association_with_Tachodisc.pdf

[franglais]

weeto:
The deal with GPS equipped tachographs apparently has nothing to do with the authorities being able to see exactly where you have been that day, it’s more to do with recording where the vehicle stops and starts at the end/beginning of the day, just like we used to do on a disc, which would would save drivers logging on/off in the country they are in.

Integrating a Global Positioning System (GPS) with the digital tachograph is
intended to capture data about start and stop locations. Currently the
tachograph simply captures a country code – for instance, UK. Recording where
trucks start and stop will be of little additional help to hauliers who already have
this information, but it is argued that it could be a valuable time-saver for
roadside enforcement officers trying to determine if tachograph data is accurate.
http://motortransport.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Change_is_on_the_cards_-_A_Motor_Transport_White_Paper_in_association_with_Tachodisc.pdf

In the 90s there were some mass nickings going on in Castets. ( Wax disc days remember? Had to enter place of starting and ending? ) Anyways anyone in Castets on Monday evening with Cherbourg on their card was invited to pay a 900 franc fine. It was not possible to do legally, you either were speeding, or over hours on card or over hours off card, or speedo was under recording. The Gendarmerie took the fines give a correct receipt and job was done. Anyone who got on their high horse demanding radar read outs etc was FULLY investigated, and ended up paying more after a longer delay. How is this relevant? Tachos with GPS: town A at time X, town B at time Y, gives a good guide. Example: Calais at 06hr00 Monday. Rome 08hr00 Tues. Thats 1800km in 24 hrs. Possible drive time of 15hrs30? Average speed = 116kph, so youre nicked. Easy. Example: Calais tacho reads 10,000km. Rome tacho reads 11,500km. Youre nicked. Lost distance: maybe tacho turned back, or wrong tyres wheels or whatever.