Carryfast:
From memory some trucks were also fitted with the automatic analogue type tachos which switched between ‘other work’ and driving based on movement.
So stopped in traffic etc obviously created the situation of a false record being made on the chart.Bearing in mind there was no way to select driving manually.
The things were a total liability.
How exactly was a false record created? If the wheels are rolling you are driving. If the wheels aren’t rolling you are in attendance but you are not physically moving/driving. Therefore by extension a driver in a vehicle that is in stationary traffic is carrying out “other work”. An aircraft on the ground is not flying, it’s a relatively simple concept.
It’s a false record because waiting and queuing in traffic etc in charge of a vehicle on the highway, as opposed to correctly parked, is driving not other work.
I don’t ever remember being told to switch a manual tacho to other work when waiting in traffic at traffic lights or at junctions to save driving time.Just as it’s illegal to use a mobile phone when waiting in traffic etc it’s still considered as driving in both cases.
By your logic you could book being stopped at a level crossing or every set of red traffic traffic lights as other work.Or if it’s a 15 minute or 30 minute hold up on the motorway, as break so long as you’re using the phone to watch YouTube and eating a sandwich.Good luck with that.
If you’d been stopped this century you’d perhaps realise that this is a non issue mostly because common sense is applied and a analogue tacho will just revert to whatever mode you left it on when you stop
By definition a manual analogue tacho won’t ‘revert’ to anything it will only record whatever the mode switch was/is set to.
I liked the previous century except for those dodgy automatic tachos.
Manual tachos, if not log books on the council, and no speed limiters were mostly what I worked with, luckily.
I didn’t like auto tachos as I said because they created a false other work record where a manual tacho would have been left switched to driving.
FFS you’re so staggeringly against everything arent you. Against automatic tachos has to be a first. You seem to approach every single thing with the attitude ‘now, what can I find to hate about this then?’ You’re like a black of of negative energy One of these days you’ll implode and take us all with you
And apologies I didn’t see you were talking about manual tachos. Partly because I’ve never actually seen one in real life
switchlogic:
FFS you’re so staggeringly against everything arent you. Against automatic tachos has to be a first. You seem to approach every single thing with the attitude ‘now, what can I find to hate about this then?’ You’re like a black of of negative energy One of these days you’ll implode and take us all with you
And apologies I didn’t see you were talking about manual tachos. Partly because I’ve never actually seen one in real life
The two different types shown here.They both used totally different charts because they used a different type of trace reading.So we generally had to carry both types of charts incase we had to use different vehicles and the other different spigot mounting type for Veeder Root.
switchlogic:
FFS you’re so staggeringly against everything arent you. Against automatic tachos has to be a first. You seem to approach every single thing with the attitude ‘now, what can I find to hate about this then?’ You’re like a black of of negative energy One of these days you’ll implode and take us all with you
And apologies I didn’t see you were talking about manual tachos. Partly because I’ve never actually seen one in real life
The two different types shown here.They both used totally different charts because they used a different type of trace reading.So we generally had to carry both types of charts incase we had to use different vehicles and the other different spigot mounting type for Veeder Root.
The two different types shown here.They both used totally different charts because they used a different type of trace reading.So we generally had to carry both types of charts incase we had to use different vehicles and the other different spigot mounting type for Veeder Root.
I might be wrong, I often am, but the two photos both show ‘Automatic’ Tachographs.
The clue is in the word ‘Automatic’ displayed on the instrument panel. Additionally, the mode switch for the driver record has only three positions; ‘work,’ ‘availability’ and ‘break/rest.’ Irrespective of what the driver set the mode switch to, the Tachograph would ‘automatically’ show a driving mode trace when the instrument received impulses or ‘turns’ from the gearbox sender unit. If the Tachographs had been ‘manual’ types then the driver mode switch would have four positions available; ‘driving,’ ‘availability,’ ‘work’ and ‘break rest.’
The one with the square mounting plate fitted to the front is a model 1318, it used to be the most numerous unit out there. However, the fact that we’ve had digital Tachographs required by law since 2006 means that crown has now been taken by the 1327 (VDO digital Tachograph). The other Tachograph looks like a Lucas Kienzel 1311, using a Bowden cable drive rather than electrical impulses from a Hall Effect motion sensor.
You’re right about carrying different types of chart but there were many types. Some related to the shape of the drive peg on the chart table. Some related to whether the chart was for ‘automatic’ or ‘manual’ Tachographs. Others related to the maximum speed recorded by the Tachograph. Ask drivers doing France how much fun it was in France with an early Actos fitted with a 90 Km/h Tachograph (VDO 1319) when they were using a 125 Km/h chart and having a chat with the Gendarmes. There were even ‘universal’ charts, but they weren’t often as universal as people thought!
The two different types shown here.They both used totally different charts because they used a different type of trace reading.So we generally had to carry both types of charts incase we had to use different vehicles and the other different spigot mounting type for Veeder Root.
I might be wrong, I often am, but the two photos both show ‘Automatic’ Tachographs.
The clue is in the word ‘Automatic’ displayed on the instrument panel. Additionally, the mode switch for the driver record has only three positions; ‘work,’ ‘availability’ and ‘break/rest.’ Irrespective of what the driver set the mode switch to, the Tachograph would ‘automatically’ show a driving mode trace when the instrument received impulses or ‘turns’ from the gearbox sender unit. If the Tachographs had been ‘manual’ types then the driver mode switch would have four positions available; ‘driving,’ ‘availability,’ ‘work’ and ‘break rest.’
The one with the square mounting plate fitted to the front is a model 1318, it used to be the most numerous unit out there. However, the fact that we’ve had digital Tachographs required by law since 2006 means that crown has now been taken by the 1327 (VDO digital Tachograph). The other Tachograph looks like a Lucas Kienzel 1311, using a Bowden cable drive rather than electrical impulses from a Hall Effect motion sensor.
You’re right about carrying different types of chart but there were many types. Some related to the shape of the drive peg on the chart table. Some related to whether the chart was for ‘automatic’ or ‘manual’ Tachographs. Others related to the maximum speed recorded by the Tachograph. Ask drivers doing France how much fun it was in France with an early Actos fitted with a 90 Km/h Tachograph (VDO 1319) when they were using a 125 Km/h chart and having a chat with the Gendarmes. There were even ‘universal’ charts, but they weren’t often as universal as people thought!
Here endeth the next Tachograph lesson.
I know I posted a correct one.
I was confused by the driving symbol which at face value reminded me of the manual type and missed/didn’t bother looking for the automatic label.The rest all stands.
Automatic and Veeder Root different with their own quirks.
The Veeder Root was a nightmare if the clock and mounting ‘key’ got dropped on the floor at night let alone lost or no charts for it.
The automatic as stated again different charts and putting a duty line where a driving line should be.
It looks like nothing has changed regarding the latter except now it’s even worse booking break when it should be booking driving.
The rule that states a tachograph must default to “other work” rather than “break” or “rest” is found in EU Regulation 3821/85, which has been retained in UK law. Specifically, Annex I B, paragraph 4 of this regulation states: “When the vehicle stops, WORK shall be selected automatically for the driver.”
This rule is a key part of the legal framework governing drivers’ hours and is designed to ensure accurate record-keeping. Here’s a breakdown of why this is the rule and what it means for drivers:
● The purpose of the rule: The tachograph is a device for recording a driver’s activities to ensure compliance with working time and rest regulations.1 By automatically defaulting to “other work,” the tachograph ensures that any time a driver is stationary but not on a formal rest or break, their activities are correctly logged as work.
● “Other work” vs. “break” or “rest”:
○ Driving: The tachograph automatically records this when the vehicle is in motion.
○ Other Work: This is a broad category that includes any work-related activity other than driving.2 This could be loading/unloading, vehicle maintenance, assisting passengers, or even administrative tasks.3
○ Break/Rest: These are periods where the driver is not carrying out any work and is free to dispose of their time.4 These periods are essential for recuperation and are strictly regulated.5
● Driver’s responsibility: While the tachograph defaults to “other work” when the vehicle stops, it is the driver’s legal responsibility to manually change the mode to “break” or “rest” when they are actually taking a break. Failure to do so can lead to a compliance breach. This is why drivers must be familiar with the correct operation of their tachograph.
You’re like a black of of negative energy 