Hi Guys
Just a quick one, remember there being a thread on here recently by someone wanting to know why the tacho had recorded one full minute after he only moved the truck a little bit… Need to find it to give someone the answer. If anyone could drop a link I’d appreciate it or give an explanation again?
Sam
Cos digis are set up with crap software !
Older ones would count 30 seconds worth of work as 1 full minute. So moving 10ft in a traffic jam would show up as 1 minute and would end up ■■■■■■■ you out of time.
stagedriver:
Older ones would count 30 seconds worth of work as 1 full minute. So moving 10ft in a traffic jam would show up as 1 minute and would end up ■■■■■■■ you out of time.
the very first ones would count on 2 mins, the newest versions will only count on if you move more than 27 seconds under that they don’t record, I know quite a few companies that have paid around £600 to change to the newer type, and they are making back over 2 loads a week, especially on tipper work 
It records any minute in which you drive as a minutes driving. You could drive for 6 seconds, if three of those seconds are the last three seconds of a given minute and the next three are the first three seconds of the next minute then that will be two minutes recorded.
However, when VOSA made their site visit, we had a very friendly chat and I told them that if I was ever prosecuted over this I would defend the charge by pointing this out, and that the tachograph was insufficiently accurate to prosecute on and they completely agreed that this would be the case.
Harry Monk:
It records any minute in which you drive as a minutes driving. You could drive for 6 seconds, if three of those seconds are the last three seconds of a given minute and the next three are the first three seconds of the next minute then that will be two minutes recorded.However, when VOSA made their site visit, we had a very friendly chat and I told them that if I was ever prosecuted over this I would defend the charge by pointing this out, and that the tachograph was insufficiently accurate to prosecute on and they completely agreed that this would be the case.
Wonder if you’d get away with that if you went say 15 minutes over… could say well actually i’m within my 9 or 10 hour scope, just that during that traffic jam back there i got caught up in for a minute or two it records more minutes than what I actually drove. They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on surely?
Sam Millar:
Harry Monk:
It records any minute in which you drive as a minutes driving. You could drive for 6 seconds, if three of those seconds are the last three seconds of a given minute and the next three are the first three seconds of the next minute then that will be two minutes recorded.However, when VOSA made their site visit, we had a very friendly chat and I told them that if I was ever prosecuted over this I would defend the charge by pointing this out, and that the tachograph was insufficiently accurate to prosecute on and they completely agreed that this would be the case.
Wonder if you’d get away with that if you went say 15 minutes over… could say well actually i’m within my 9 or 10 hour scope, just that during that traffic jam back there i got caught up in for a minute or two it records more minutes than what I actually drove. They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on surely?
Provided you pulled over at the next safest place and recorded the reason for infringement… Then yes you would ‘get away with it’
dar1976:
Sam Millar:
Harry Monk:
It records any minute in which you drive as a minutes driving. You could drive for 6 seconds, if three of those seconds are the last three seconds of a given minute and the next three are the first three seconds of the next minute then that will be two minutes recorded.However, when VOSA made their site visit, we had a very friendly chat and I told them that if I was ever prosecuted over this I would defend the charge by pointing this out, and that the tachograph was insufficiently accurate to prosecute on and they completely agreed that this would be the case.
Wonder if you’d get away with that if you went say 15 minutes over… could say well actually i’m within my 9 or 10 hour scope, just that during that traffic jam back there i got caught up in for a minute or two it records more minutes than what I actually drove. They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on surely?
Provided you pulled over at the next safest place and recorded the reason for infringement… Then yes you would ‘get away with it’
I’m talking about when you tell them the equipment is insufficiently accurate as Harry puts it.
Sam Millar:
dar1976:
Sam Millar:
Harry Monk:
It records any minute in which you drive as a minutes driving. You could drive for 6 seconds, if three of those seconds are the last three seconds of a given minute and the next three are the first three seconds of the next minute then that will be two minutes recorded.However, when VOSA made their site visit, we had a very friendly chat and I told them that if I was ever prosecuted over this I would defend the charge by pointing this out, and that the tachograph was insufficiently accurate to prosecute on and they completely agreed that this would be the case.
Wonder if you’d get away with that if you went say 15 minutes over… could say well actually i’m within my 9 or 10 hour scope, just that during that traffic jam back there i got caught up in for a minute or two it records more minutes than what I actually drove. They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on surely?
Provided you pulled over at the next safest place and recorded the reason for infringement… Then yes you would ‘get away with it’
I’m talking about when you tell them the equipment is insufficiently accurate as Harry puts it.
this was taken from vosa’s own guild line found here: gov.uk/government/uploads/s … posits.pdf
The legislation shows the first hour as a £60.00 penalty, but VOSA examiners will generally allow a 15 minute tolerance before notice issue. If, however a driver repeatedly ‘makes use’ of this 15 minutes then the examiner may still take action.
hope this helps
wildfire:
Sam Millar:
dar1976:
Sam Millar:
Harry Monk:
It records any minute in which you drive as a minutes driving. You could drive for 6 seconds, if three of those seconds are the last three seconds of a given minute and the next three are the first three seconds of the next minute then that will be two minutes recorded.However, when VOSA made their site visit, we had a very friendly chat and I told them that if I was ever prosecuted over this I would defend the charge by pointing this out, and that the tachograph was insufficiently accurate to prosecute on and they completely agreed that this would be the case.
Wonder if you’d get away with that if you went say 15 minutes over… could say well actually i’m within my 9 or 10 hour scope, just that during that traffic jam back there i got caught up in for a minute or two it records more minutes than what I actually drove. They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on surely?
Provided you pulled over at the next safest place and recorded the reason for infringement… Then yes you would ‘get away with it’
I’m talking about when you tell them the equipment is insufficiently accurate as Harry puts it.
this was taken from vosa’s own guild line found here: gov.uk/government/uploads/s … posits.pdf
The legislation shows the first hour as a £60.00 penalty, but VOSA examiners will generally allow a 15 minute tolerance before notice issue. If, however a driver repeatedly ‘makes use’ of this 15 minutes then the examiner may still take action.
hope this helps
Thanks but I’m not looking to break the law in any way haha, just curious as to what the outcome would be should you be prosecuted and plee that the equipment is insufficiently accurate after what Harry mentioned above.
I think you are reading too much into it.
Using inefficient recording device is a last resort defence.
You would only be getting taken to court for repeat offending and then you would have to build your case (possibly adding inefficient recording equipment as a part thereof).
Your first appropriate actions are to minimise risk of going over your hours and then record any failures appropriately.
dar1976:
I think you are reading too much into it.Using inefficient recording device is a last resort defence.
You would only be getting taken to court for repeat offending and then you would have to build your case (possibly adding inefficient recording equipment as a part thereof).
Your first appropriate actions are to minimise risk of going over your hours and then record any failures appropriately.
Likewise, I know fine well what my actions should be but again I was just curious as to what their reply would be. They’re trying to prosecute you over a device that is inefficient at recording exact activity. We’ll say no more on it lol.
With my tacho, you can pull up on 4 hours 29 minutes, put it on rest and 30 seconds later it will flash up “Driving time exceeded”, I just can’t get my head around that one at all! 