OVLOV JAY:
It’s not a break as you have to walk to the office and deal with keys and paperwork.
Our Chief training officer had a word with VOSA about this a while ago and they said to him as long as you show at least 5 minutes extra on top of your 45, 30 or 15 it’s not a problem as these 5 minutes at least extra compensate for you walking to the goods in office etc etc.
It goes on break everytime as leaving it on other work can mess your day up.!
bald bloke:
OVLOV JAY:
It’s not a break as you have to walk to the office and deal with keys and paperwork.Our Chief training officer had a word with VOSA about this a while ago and they said to him as long as you show at least 5 minutes extra on top of your 45, 30 or 15 it’s not a problem as these 5 minutes at least extra compensate for you walking to the goods in office etc etc.
but surely, if you’ve driven in the gate and parked up first, then reported to the goods in clerk, surely once you’ve backed on a bay, and handed your keys in, how the ■■■■ do you get back in your cab? If a) you’re not allowed out of stalag III b) you’re on bay 1007 at tossco Livingston or c) you’ve got your fob to your home for the week and you leave your stove on whilst kipping on your bed! FFS there’s some tools on here! Put it on what you want, it’s all lies anyway, just don’t get caught at Lidls, aldis or nettos on break whilst your tipping when VOSA pull you outside! 
bald bloke:
OVLOV JAY:
It’s not a break as you have to walk to the office and deal with keys and paperwork.Our Chief training officer had a word with VOSA about this a while ago and they said to him as long as you show at least 5 minutes extra on top of your 45, 30 or 15 it’s not a problem as these 5 minutes at least extra compensate for you walking to the goods in office etc etc.
I know what your saying BB but then VOSA are telling you to make an illegal record on your tacho 
A break is when you can dispose of your time freely and been in an rdc isn’t disposing of your time freely?
nick2008:
bald bloke:
OVLOV JAY:
It’s not a break as you have to walk to the office and deal with keys and paperwork.Our Chief training officer had a word with VOSA about this a while ago and they said to him as long as you show at least 5 minutes extra on top of your 45, 30 or 15 it’s not a problem as these 5 minutes at least extra compensate for you walking to the goods in office etc etc.
I know what your saying BB but then VOSA are telling you to make an illegal record on your tacho
Would you then do a manual entry for five minutes other work after returning to the lorry to allow for the collecting of keys and any paperwork? Or would you collect the keys and paperwork, nip back to the lorry and then sit with it on crossed hammers for five to make it LOOK as if you are a good boy?
I think we are down to splitting hairs here. If VOSA want an excuse to fine you they will find one. Generally, I’ve found them extremely pleasant and helpful, if not always correctly informed…(although I’ve only ever once had the pleasure of them stopping me!)
4aaaa4dd:
A break is when you can dispose of your time freely and been in an rdc isn’t disposing of your time freely?
That’s daily/weekly rest not breaks…waiting on a break is fine, as long as you aren’t indulging in ‘other work’. Breaks are not the same as daily and weekly rest.
At least, that’s how I would interpret it. I’m sure Tachograph or Rog will correct me if necessary!
Truckulent:
4aaaa4dd:
A break is when you can dispose of your time freely and been in an rdc isn’t disposing of your time freely?That’s daily/weekly rest not breaks…waiting on a break is fine, as long as you aren’t indulging in ‘other work’. Breaks are not the same as daily and weekly rest.
At least, that’s how I would interpret it. I’m sure Tachograph or Rog will correct me if necessary!
No need to correct as you have it spot on
A break can be taken even if sitting in the driver seat as long as not doing other work or driving
ROG:
Truckulent:
4aaaa4dd:
A break is when you can dispose of your time freely and been in an rdc isn’t disposing of your time freely?That’s daily/weekly rest not breaks…waiting on a break is fine, as long as you aren’t indulging in ‘other work’. Breaks are not the same as daily and weekly rest.
At least, that’s how I would interpret it. I’m sure Tachograph or Rog will correct me if necessary!
No need to correct as you have it spot on
A break can be taken even if sitting in the driver seat as long as not doing other work or driving
yep your right even 45 on the bog is break 
nick2008:
Technically you can’t use either POA or BREAK now work out wby you smart asses … and the reason is perfectly correct
+1
bald bloke:
OVLOV JAY:
It’s not a break as you have to walk to the office and deal with keys and paperwork.Our Chief training officer had a word with VOSA about this a while ago and they said to him as long as you show at least 5 minutes extra on top of your 45, 30 or 15 it’s not a problem as these 5 minutes at least extra compensate for you walking to the goods in office etc etc.
Common sense prevails!
if you dont get paid breaks then its POA or WORK
If I have a break deducted, I am not taking it in a “CAGE” of drivers talking total BS
Dieseldoforme:
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I always use break.I like to have four and a half hours of drive time ahead of me.
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Superstar!
Let me guess, you are paid £■■ per shift?
If your paid by the hour and have your break deducted, why give away 45 minutes of your time.
You are NOT freely able to dispose of your time in a RDC waiting room. you cant have a smoke, go to sleep on your bunk, have a private conversation with the wife etc…
nick2008:
bald bloke:
OVLOV JAY:
It’s not a break as you have to walk to the office and deal with keys and paperwork.Our Chief training officer had a word with VOSA about this a while ago and they said to him as long as you show at least 5 minutes extra on top of your 45, 30 or 15 it’s not a problem as these 5 minutes at least extra compensate for you walking to the goods in office etc etc.
I know what your saying BB but then VOSA are telling you to make an illegal record on your tacho
They’re not telling you to do anything, they’re simply using common sense to overcome a problem that generally doesn’t really exist in the real world.
And this is why drivers get shafted and have had this poa rubbish added to all the other junk we have to put with.
So what if it messes your day up, it’s not your problem it’s your bosses, when have you ever delivered to a supermarket Rdc and they have told you how long they will be.
I put it on work every time because that is what I am doing.
As mentioned this POA does seem a bit backward, wouldn’t POA be better for an undetermined time frame and break when you know how long your going to be.
i.e.
POA = Wagons on bay 40 but could be 30 minutes to an hour or two.
Break= Gonna be at least 2 hours drive but feel free to sit in the waiting room or go off site and smoke, dance naked under the moonlight or worry the sheep if you want to.
trubster:
Dieseldoforme:
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I always use break.I like to have four and a half hours of drive time ahead of me.
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Let me guess, you are paid £■■ per shift?
If your paid by the hour and have your break deducted, why give away 45 minutes of your time.
You are NOT freely able to dispose of your time in a RDC waiting room. you cant have a smoke, go to sleep on your bunk, have a private conversation with the wife etc…
as others have said trubster, there is NO requirement in the regulation for you to freely dispose of your time for a break, if memory serves me correct it states that a break can be taken at your workstation, only daily and weekly rests state you must be able to dispose of your time, try downloading GV262-03 it will give it to you in black and white there 
Dafman:
And this is why drivers get shafted and have had this poa rubbish added to all the other junk we have to put with.
So what if it messes your day up, it’s not your problem it’s your bosses, when have you ever delivered to a supermarket Rdc and they have told you how long they will be.I put it on work every time because that is what I am doing.
then that could be classed as falsifying your tacho, as you are not helping unload the vehicle, you are sat in the waiting room picking your nose or what ever, and not carrying out any work at all
I believe breaks use that magic word ‘recuperation’ where as rest periods allow you to dispose of your time freely.
As I will and do use break when in an RDC waiting room part of me still feels this isn’t really recuperation as I’m on the starting blocks waiting for my bay to be called so therefore still feel I’m owed one later on as I have done my company a favour and also helped myself out.
My favourite recuperation time is on the journey home or to park up spot when the pressures off and I can truly recuperate. This may involve a relaxed walk, smoke, ■■■ call to the wife or just a quick tug, things that would be frowned upon in an RDC waiting room. But thats just me and my interpretation.
ROG:
What gets recorded does not always reflect what the driver is actually doing … take driving time - it only records when the vehicle is moving but being behind the wheel is deemed as driving in UK law - that is reflected in the UK domestic regsRecording break means not working or driving but it does not mean the driver is having the ‘break’ they choose to have in a café for example
Currently, for the majority of drivers, the tacho will even record time spent out of the cab having a whizz etc as “Driving”