Who cares. It’s called standing up for yourself. Would you put up with it?
I kinda get where your coming from. But by sounds of it it’s a big company you work for?
If so be a bit pointless as there be able afford top lawyers etc to argue there case where as you can’t.
The thing will drag out for years and even if you did win your case doubt you’d get that much.
Maybe get the union involved if your a member.
But personally I’d just forget it move on get a better paying job where your treated a bit better
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no its called acting like a spoilt 4 year old brat. all you had to do was vote one way or another. thats it. that is how you stand up for your self. you dont need to post stupid messages or try to get him in trouble with the dvla and cost everyone their job if there is an issue or cost them money if they find infringements.
if i didnt like the way i was being treated by a particular person i would go speak to them and sort it out. if they refused to be reasonable i would quit.
your a selfish prick
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How rude😂 you’d walk away good for you. Perhaps that’s why only 3 drivers are left now..
Sorry I just carried on working. I’d chill out if I was you. Get him in trouble, your making me feel bad now😢
Steveeasy
I agree with you in spirit. I wouldn’t say it’s wrong to shut up (imagine if all of us kept it shut!), only saying if you do take them on - expect that they will play dirty. Transgressions previously thought to be mistakes are now sackable offences. You MUST expect that. HR will only step in if he’s blatantly wrong (even that’s not guaranteed) but otherwise will close ranks, with you on the outside.
That’s really not how this works. I would suggest going to a solicitor for a consultation. Put all the facts on the table and ask for an opinion. You would be surprised how much you learn from that.
But I’ll tell you exactly what I think about this industry. I got into driving very recently, and coming from another different line of work, here is what I’ve noticed: drivers are treated like cattle. Generally speaking, you have these uneducated TMs who are nothing more than drivers who put themselves through a weeks’ CPC course, and now yield with total control over you. Power trips are baked into the job, basically.
Then you have the drivers. They rarely speak out, for the fear of being ousted. This is particularly true with Eastern European drivers. So as a result, you get this very assymetrical relationship, where the business operates on the edge in terms of law, regs, ethics, and you are expected to put up with it - or you’re being unreasonable. And make no mistake, they will more than happy to get rid of reactionary elements such as yourself even if it means wasting 6 months until the next desperate soul comes along. Standards will not be raised any any costs, otherwise management is not doing their jobs.
Fortunately, not all TMs are like that and not all business treat you like cattle. But it’s up to you to keep it moving until you find that half decent job.
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Hit the nail on the head. Thanks.
I never a dicky for 14 months. Just got on with it. My rational was if your moaning you should not be there. I made a fatel error not being well and within 2 weeks chop.
So I hope I can be forgiven for getting recompence. I’m now earning better money so it’s win win win.
No one knew. I was staggered when I was told a freight company gave everyone inside an annual pay rise and the drivers who work really hard away all week got nothing. To me it indefensible and highlights what a mooron the TM was. It was the end for me so I stood up to him. I could not work for a firm operating like that.
Where I used to work we had a transport manager that when he left the office to walk through the yard to check something or whenever he came to work and left work to traverse the yard to leave the premises to the staff car park to go home, he would always have his mobile phone glued to his ear in a deep conversation.
One day a driver said to him that you are not really talking to anyone are you?
Lo and behold, there was nobody talking at the end of the line so he was pretending to chat to avoid any confrontation with the drivers who wanted to raise issues or get something off their chests.
You would have to book an appointment to see him in the office, and if you said to the planner, can I have a quick word, the answer would be, he’s on a call, not in the office when he was or too busy to talk.
If they have asked you to sign it online and you have signed it you have accepted it and agree that you did it. No if’s not buts.
If you are unsure of what you are signing for and why then it is on you to request it to be explained so you understand what you have done and the consequences.
You are a driver you should know all this as a driver.
Yes the company should explain it all to you, but most companies also bringing it to your attention would assume you understand it all if you ask no questions.
Sounds like a classic case of just signing it and not giving a toss. You are signing a legal document whether on paper or online via for example a tablet. This can be used to fine you for the infringement even potentially at a later date.
Also I think you needed time to chill out and calm down over the situation. I said it before and I’ll say it again, you did not fit in as much as you believe, your work/attitude was somehow not up to the standards the c company expected. Regardless of what you believe it clearly wasn’t the case as an unbiased outsider looking in on it.
Just because you think it is so doesn’t make it so,
I am not saying the company did nothing wrong either, but you have only made things worse for yourself from outsiders perspectives, and yet you tell others who all are saying pretty much the same things they are wrong and you are right.
I think you need to have a reflective look in the mirror if I’m honest.
Again take this as an attack on you if you like but it’s meant as constructive criticism not an attack, but I am 1000% sure you will take it as such.
And again as I said before go see a lawyer with your evidence and see if there is a possibility if it going to tribunal but get some legal advice before you do anything else.
Cause I’ve not signed it. When I get infringements I take a print out in. If the TM say no problem you don’t get any you’d think that was his position.
So you’d get a shock four days later when he pings that up for a dissaplinary hearing. No I’ve not signed it but he has put he’s briefed driver over it.
So he’s lied or mislead .
Listen things were fine. Then they were not. I’ve gone. Don’t regret any of it quite frankly.
I’m am chilled. I am working having a laugh quite frankly at some of the utter rubbish some you come out with.
How any of you want to defend a TM who would give everyone pay rises apart from the drivers.. then try and reduce their pay. I got the message so did my mates. 3 drivers left 7 agency drivers working. They were so desperate they had me in for a year. I only took the sam job to get 52 wage slips.
Now I’m going to sue them end off. Cos I can and will. I don’t do bullies.
Happy days
Steveeasy
It’s going to a tribunal I’m waiting for certificate from ACAS. I’m getting advice over the infringement and will update with the opinion. I think I took a break and my failure was to not record it. Wait and see!!!
Oh I worked for company similar size 14 drivers for a couple of years until they went under.
Drivers got overtime. No drivers ever left. No agency drivers needed.
This firm.
Since I’ve been there every single driver has left fact!! I’m am or was longest serving driver apart from one. During that time agency drivers are always needed every single week. Oh no overtime just the salary.
Now the above is not because of me. You might think my face did not fit. But the job was fine. The money wasn’t and it’s what caused the fuss. Ever tramped all week and been paid the same as the day drivers. It does not make sense.
If you
Like I’ll get some ex drivers to post on here if you want a character ref.
Steveeasy
Make your mind up your story is as holy as a pair of 100 year old socks.
This bit you said so I assumed you had signed the infringement.
Trutac
Operator does his bit. States he’s briefed driver. Driver signs online on an app. We all do it. Where is the briefing
So forgive me but I took that as you had been been given said infringements to sign and signed then online.
There is a lot about your story that just dies not add up. Were you directly employed but rh company or on agency with them? Because you also mentioned something about on agency.
Either way I really can’t be bothered with your work is me story now and replying anymore. I’ve given you advice and a different perspective, I told you if you feel you have a case go get some legal advice and let us know how you get on.
But tbh I am finding you very tiresome now.
So good luck but I am now ooot.
Don’t blame you .so do I.
Steveeasy
An agency for a whole year. So they knew what I was like you’d think. I carried on
Like normal full time.
Never saw the dam infringement. It said driver briefed.
Hey Simcor,
I don’t like to come over rude so Appologies. Thanks for the advice.
Much appreciated.
Steveeasy