ive had a customer ring me regarding a job to swiss,now the tecnical bit,hes in a party of 15 people taking a holiday in swiss and has asked me to take all their gear down,u know suitcases,skis that sort of thing he said theres going to be about half a van load,drop it of and collect it again a week later,but what sort of paperwork will i require,will i need a carnet or just the run of the mill cmr with a contents list?Cheers Carl
Does it have to be declared as freight for a private holiday? 
bigvern1:
Does it have to be declared as freight for a private holiday?
It is always classed as freight unless the owner (holidaymaker) enters the country with it personally. You could use a carnet, however they are expensive, best bet would be to use an clearing agent.
Not sure but I (we) know someone who will so if I remember will ring him and ask or get him to call you.
Just turn up at the border and tell them you are taking in other peoples luggage for them.
It’ll be fine, you won’t be there more than 4 or 5 days I guess. 
maverick72:
… run of the mill cmr with a contents list …
I think I’d use a CMR for this, because I can’t find anything in the CMR Convention that says otherwise.
CMR is needed for:
CMR Article 1(1):
- This Convention shall apply to every contract for the carriage of goods by road in vehicles for
reward, when the place of taking over of the goods and the place designated for delivery, as specified in
the contract, are situated in two different countries, of which at least one is a Contracting country,
irrespective of the place of residence and the nationality of the parties.
CMR is not needed for:
CMR Convention Article 1(4):
4 . This Convention shall not apply:
(a) To carriage performed under the terms of any international postal convention;
(b) To funeral consignments;
(c) To furniture removal.
Ideas for avoiding CMR…
- Stick postage stamps on each suitcase
- Place a dead body in each suitcase
- Place an IKEA flat pack in each suitcase
</TIC mode> 
Just don’t tell them it’s a commercial delivery, but a private trip! 
bigvern1:
Just don’t tell them it’s a commercial delivery, but a private trip!
That might be worth a try, but if you were a police or customs officer, wouldn’t you think it strange that one person would need “about half a van load” of suitcases and skis for a private trip if the OP were to be stop-checked or asked what was on board when crossing the border?
bigvern1:
Just don’t tell them it’s a commercial delivery, but a private trip!
next you will be telling me to go tourist on the boat.
Cheers Dave i may go with the cmr route
The Swiss love paperwork - humour them.
Hombre:
The Swiss love paperwork - humour them.
Yep, +1.
when i used to take exhibitions into Swiss it was always with a “t” form and a pro forma invoice for the goods. for them to have a temporary stay in the country, but that was back in the 80s
thetourist:
when i used to take exhibitions into Swiss it was always with a “t” form and a pro forma invoice for the goods. for them to have a temporary stay in the country, but that was back in the 80s
Hi,
Temporary imports, such as exhibition goods, were normally taken care of by using an ATA carnet, and Switzerland was no different to any other country in this regard. I’m also speaking of the 80s, but I was carrying musical equipment for rock and roll / pop bands at the time.
At the time, the conditions attaching to an ATA carnet were that the goods that went into a country had to tally exactly with what was brought back out again afterwards. We never had any problems with using an ATA carnet for this kind of work because pop concerts were viewed as being the same as an exhibition.
Were some of the goods you carried also for sale??
I did a fair bit of exhibition work into, and back out of, Swiss and most of the time this was done on a T Form with invoice and packing list for a temporary import. This was in the nineties and the noughties.
I imagine a phonecall to Lord Warden House to any of the agents who will be able to give you a rough price for the documents is the first thing to do.
Wheel Nut:
I imagine a phonecall to Lord Warden House to any of the agents who will be able to give you a rough price for the documents is the first thing to do.
Unless you have an account with one of the agents, you will find it extremely difficult to get any of them to do T forms for Switzerland these days. They have been caught too often by people not following procedure on the border and have ended up having to pay out on the bond issued.
dieseldave:
thetourist:
when i used to take exhibitions into Swiss it was always with a “t” form and a pro forma invoice for the goods. for them to have a temporary stay in the country, but that was back in the 80sHi,
Temporary imports, such as exhibition goods, were normally taken care of by using an ATA carnet, and Switzerland was no different to any other country in this regard. I’m also speaking of the 80s, but I was carrying musical equipment for rock and roll / pop bands at the time.
At the time, the conditions attaching to an ATA carnet were that the goods that went into a country had to tally exactly with what was brought back out again afterwards. We never had any problems with using an ATA carnet for this kind of work because pop concerts were viewed as being the same as an exhibition.
Were some of the goods you carried also for sale??
Nothing for sale and no products on the trailer just the exhibition stands ie: timber lights metal work ect, and some of it never came back as it was one time use only. but i also used to go in with a 45foot mobile exhibition/hospitality trailer on a community carnet which i used all over Europe before the borders came down. Every thing on the trailer was recorded and had to be the same at the next border crossing except for the freebie promotional give away stuff that i used to keep the border staff sweet for a smoother crossing .
GBPub:
Wheel Nut:
I imagine a phonecall to Lord Warden House to any of the agents who will be able to give you a rough price for the documents is the first thing to do.Unless you have an account with one of the agents, you will find it extremely difficult to get any of them to do T forms for Switzerland these days. They have been caught too often by people not following procedure on the border and have ended up having to pay out on the bond issued.
I thought CHIEF had done away with that risk, it is simply a one A4 sheet that is handed to the customs and they scan the bar code
Wheel Nut:
I thought CHIEF had done away with that risk, it is simply a one A4 sheet that is handed to the customs and they scan the bar code
From what I have heard it is more the van drivers (not as easy to go through the smaller borders in a 40 tonner) who screw the job up by driving through an unmanned border and once they have realised they just deliver the goods without clearing. Hence why most agents won’t take you on unless you have an account.