fredthered:
Can’t be bothered to quote that answer but the simple answer I like to work is I might be saving for something, say a house, car, boat, long semester trip and so on. I have never ever taken a Loan on the bank and don’t tend to do it in the first. Like to save money and buy, not loan to it.
Might work 6weeks in a row, then take 3free and use some of the moneys saved while living very cheap on the road.
There is another problem with the Sunday ban in Europe.
Quite a few companies don’t have you starting at a normal time on Monday morning. They have you starting on Sunday evening. You’re in the yard in plenty of time to leave as soon as the ban lifts. Sunday isn’t a day of family time, its a day of sleep so you can then drive for the rest of the night.
Now there is no way that there won’t be companies who will do the same thing here.
Our favourite company to slam will certainly be one of them.
GET IT ALL ON THE RAILWAYS …HA HA
Watch some bugger quote that lost and waste another square yard of cyber space 
We dont live in mainland Europe, we live on a small island with many professions who work over the weekend, ambulance, fire, police, fishermen, leisure industry and transport are the easy ones to remeber.
Oh, lets go to grannies for our lunch, no we cant, the buses don’t run Sunday and the power cut cannot be fixed until Monday.
I am against a Sunday truck ban. I like the pubs to be open on a Sunday.
Wheel Nut:
Watch some bugger quote that lost and waste another square yard of cyber spaceWe dont live in mainland Europe, we live on a small island with many professions who work over the weekend, ambulance, fire, police, fishermen, leisure industry and transport are the easy ones to remeber.
Oh, lets go to grannies for our lunch, no we cant, the buses don’t run Sunday and the power cut cannot be fixed until Monday.
I am against a Sunday truck ban. I like the pubs to be open on a Sunday.
Essential services yes - but that has always been so. Leisure industry? what’s that all about then? Do you get leisure time to spend with other people? Any jobs at your place? Profit, profit, profit!
You could go to grannies on Sunday but you moved away and abandoned her because she’s too much trouble! Not got a car?
What power? Do you live where the generators keep breaking down or don’t you have electrickery at all?
Pubs or do you mean themed, great value(?), microwaved crud places full of gaming machines and kids? You used to be able to walk to a local but hey ho! They aren’t viable anymore for whatever reason but you can buy alcohol in any other place to consume on your own at home!
Can’t really see the attraction of this brave new world anymore - me, I care about my family values and those close to me and the rest can wallow in …!
Only my opinion. 
those that are for a ban would soon be crying when they get weekended due to waiting to tip/load for several hours at some rdc.
Don’t care either way. I don’t work Sundays. I have a family, and a life 
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I’m happy working the weekends with the quieter roads, it means I get 2 weekdays off of traffic bull crap
Congratulations mate what an excellent post.
I’d like to bet there wouldn’t be too many “Trade Magazines” falling over themselves to print it if you submitted it to their letters column.
It is one of the most truthful and perceptive opinions I’ve ever read on any public forum … or any media for that matter by a member of the general public concerning “Worker” predicament at present…the causes for it, reasons for it and it’s effect.
Respect to you.
haulage is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year business.
we as drivers don’t work all of those days. we work the ones that suit us.
limeyphil:
those that are for a ban would soon be crying when they get weekended due to waiting to tip/load for several hours at some rdc.
The best answer too date…Nobody would want to do the Saturday 6.00pm Tesco, sainsbury or any other supermarket delivery in case they got stuck until the ban was over! So what was a Sunday ban now runs into a Saturday ■■■■ up! I would prefer a day off in the week anyways, I’ve been off today with the wife and daughter, virtually had the place to ourselves because most other folks are working and seem to think you only get leisure time saturday & sunday!
limeyphil:
those that are for a ban would soon be crying when they get weekended due to waiting to tip/load for several hours at some rdc.
Well if those on mainland Europe were able overcome the problem I’m sure we could…couldn’t we?
Solly:
limeyphil:
those that are for a ban would soon be crying when they get weekended due to waiting to tip/load for several hours at some rdc.Well if those on mainland Europe were able overcome the problem I’m sure we could…couldn’t we?
They have. The driver gets shafted, the boss and country as a whole dont care and if the driver who gets weekended 100 miles from home and goes without his own well earned home time for the sake of yet more regulation kicks up a fuss he knows where the door is and theres a hundred Poles willing to drive a German/French truck or a Polish company ready to take the work. Also, as has been mentioned before, its the norm in Germany and all other countries with a sunday ban for drivers to start work at 10pm sunday or midnight, meaning you’d have to be in bed most of sunday any way, that might suit you but to me thats an even worse waste of a day than working it is, plus its messing up your sleeping pattern as you go from days to nights to days etc. No thanks.
limeyphil:
haulage is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year business.
we as drivers don’t work all of those days. we work the ones that suit us.
Its only this way because the fat cats at the top demand it. If the RDC’s etc pulled their finger out and actully worked instead of standing around talking all day there would be no need for this.
robinhood_1984:
They have. The driver gets shafted, the boss and country as a whole dont care and if the driver who gets weekended 100 miles from home and goes without his own well earned home time for the sake of yet more regulation kicks up a fuss he knows where the door is and theres a hundred Poles willing to drive a German/French truck or a Polish company ready to take the work. Also, as has been mentioned before, its the norm in Germany and all other countries with a sunday ban for drivers to start work at 10pm sunday or midnight, meaning you’d have to be in bed most of sunday any way, that might suit you but to me thats an even worse waste of a day than working it is, plus its messing up your sleeping pattern as you go from days to nights to days etc. No thanks.
I’m sorry but I’ve read this tired argument many times before.
If wagon drivers are not suited by the proposals…if and when they are proposed…DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of trotting out the same lame excuses. Kick the problem back at the planners and tell them…hopefully collectively throughout the industry…to sort it with the customer. Why should wagon drivers be responsible for the unsustainable…Just In Time…method of delivery… because it just doesn’t work as is recognised by the author of the proposal.
Trukkertone:
Once upon a time in a far distant land people did all the shopping they needed from monday to saturday dinnertime. then the shops were shut until monday morning , and people had something called leisure time for one and a half days. they could go out to places with their children and really enjoy themselves without worrying about big smelly juggernauts spoiling it all.and everyone was happy, THEN, some greedy people saw the chance to make loads of money by making she shops open and people go to work every day, and the world was never the same again…
That was as they said to bring us inline with Europe " Bull ■■■■ "since being retired I spend a lot of time touring France where shops and supermarkets are closed on Sundays and they have a 2 hour lunch break ,except the local bakers as the French cannot go without their daily bread fix, The roads are clutter free and the people enjoy their family down time not like rip off grab grab Britain.
I’m sure there will be exceptions! Like reefers! And it will be just like Euroland here then! 
dessy:
I’m sure there will be exceptions! Like reefers!
that’s something i don’t agree with.
if there is a truck ban, then it should be for all trucks. we are all in the same game, just moving different products.
the only ban i would like to see is a like for like ban.
if there is a ban in france or germany, then no french or german trucks should be allowed to move on uk roads for the duration of the ban in there own country.
that sounds prety fare to me.
D’ya know, that the way things look around here with present moods and attitudes…
In 10 years time, drivers will be getting paid twice as much, but we’ll all be retired in Britland, whilst the main bulk of the work is being picked up by foreigners on a regular basis, some living here, some not.
Maybe they were the only ones who bothered with their DCPC…
Maybe All the brits retired, and were not replaced by Brits…
Maybe Wincanski and all the other warehousing firms got taken over officially by abroad, and won’t employ local brits anymore, because we’re all troublemakers who don’t deserve to clean the spit off our shoes with our tongues…
No point bleating to Europe about our “rights”, because signing up to the euro charters gives them 100% rights, and us Brits none at all. Flexible working in Europe is a one-way street. Jobs are lost here, and gained there. End of.
Has anyone on here been recently employed by a foreign firm on the other side of the channel on a well-paid full time basis, to then drive a wagon back here on their duties? Does it happen? eh? 
Any more regulation is just setting the bar higher and higher for us local grown talent to eventually trip up over. It’s BANKS that need regulation in this country - not the transport industry! 
Solly:
robinhood_1984:
I’m sorry but I’ve read this tired argument many times before.
If wagon drivers are not suited by the proposals…if and when they are proposed…DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of trotting out the same lame excuses.
This is a forum, we’re having a discussion, if you dont like reading “tired arguments” (more like arguments that dont suit your own opinion) then dont log on here and contribute and then get your knickers in a twist because someone responds to a point you’ve made. Its not a hard concept, you write something and others respond.
As for my excuses being lame, how do you work that out? I’ve pointed out the consequences as they actually are in places like Germany and how drivers there have had to adjust their working practices by often starting at midnight sunday/monday to compensate. Thats not a lame excuse, its a fact. So to answer your question a second time. Yes they do make it work in mainland Europe, but as with most things, not to the benefit of the driver, which you seem to think this driving ban would be while using mainland Europe as justifcation to back up your point, when the complete opposite is true. You’d be doing the same work, at a more unsocialble time and getting paid less for it as it would be goodbye sunday double time and goodbye leisure time on sunday as you’re in bed.
You may counter by saying how things should be in an ideal world and “if only” scenarios but they are irrelivent. I’m giving you facts as they are in mainland Europe. They dont back up your original claim as far as a drivers welfare and condtions go and while you may not like that, its not a “lame excuse” its the truth of the matter. If you want to spend most of Sunday in bed, preparing to start work at midnight for considerably less pay than you’d have got for doing the very same thing on sunday and risk losing your job if you refused to do so then good luck to you, trot on.