OKAY i will try this one operation triangle,
KITKAT. yes maybe a little over the top but ,the convoy commannder has laid down rules to follow and one of these is poleiteness to other users of the road and the services,where they park,
Yes granted brit pete,but if lib had got out and maybe asked if they could park properly or move said vehicle’s instead of blasting his horn,he might not have had a heated discussion.( if that’s what happened).It’s one thing i detest is some trucker blasting the horn at me,especially when they are within asking distance of me. 
brit pete:
OKAY i will try this one operation triangle,
NO 
I regularly get miffed with Army convoys on motorways, I was returning to Cornwall yesterday with a 13’2" wide load, not particularly heavy (84t), when I met a convoy of 16 landrovers and trailers travelling South on the M5.
Speed they were travelling? 35mph, spaced at about 50’ intervals - WHY?
Because of the size of my load, I was unable to overtake and had to pull into the services, wait for an unscheduled 45mins and then carry on/
In my view, they either travel at a sensible speed for the conditions or they stay off the motorway and practice there war games/driving skills in a muddy field.
John
kitkat third attempt exersize erternal triangle
kitkat:
There used to be a massive exercise in Germany every year roundabout now.( the name escapes me).It involved forces from all over UK,Belguim,France,Holland and Germany.
Was it Crusader or Lionheart Kit Kat?
ps sorry about last Sunday mate Mon the WELL 
kitkat:
It’s one thing i detest is some trucker blasting the horn at me,especially when they are within asking distance of me.
But I bet you don’t park in a couldn’t give a zb about anyone else but myself manner.
Thats the difference.
Like Liberace I would sound the horn & get them to sort out their mess in the situation he found himself in. But why should he, (we,) as the person blocked in by some couldn’t give a [zb] zb, do all the running around ?.
OK we all find ourselves blocked in by accident from time to time, but to park where any normal driver could see (a,) you are not suppose to & (b), where you should be able, even with minimal intelligence, to realise you are causing an obstruction by doing so . That is not an accident it’s arrogance & incompetence.
Like us if they cannot park properly & legally they should move onto a place where they can.
Small one. L.
johnny:
i dont suppose it was the transport corps was it
Hi, the Royal Corps of Transport became The Logistics Corp around 12 years ago. Now as you know from the civilian corporate world, rebranding really does improve a body. Look at BT, KFC, Insignia (aka Royal Mail), et al.
Oh, and don’t forget the railways…
mrs5l:
Hi, the Royal Corps of Transport became The Logistics Corp around 12 years ago. Now as you know from the civilian corporate world, rebranding really does improve a body. Look at BT, KFC, Insignia (aka Royal Mail), et al.
Oh, and don’t forget the railways…
Sorry but will have to put my tuppence worth in on this one, The post office group was re branded as CONSIGNIA, not Royal Mail, they then dumped the Consignia name and rebranded again to become the Royal Mail Group, so infact they got re branded anyway. Also, Consignia was never meant to be used by the man on the street, the Royal mail, Post Office and ParcelForce were all still companies in their own right, It was only when the media got hold of it and turned it upside down that things started to go wrong. It was a corperate name change, at the time I was working as a commercial manager for PF logistics an the change to Consignia actually won us work as people wanted to be assciated with Consignia but not the Royal Mail. Sorry for the rant and taking it off topic but it is a subject that cost me alot of time and alot of people their jobs.
Liberace wrote
. This speedily stopped when I turned round and said "I hope your armour plated you [zb], because your dealing with and irate lorry driver. Now would you mind awfully movin
Bet you had your Hi viz vest and safety boots on. Wouldn’t have mattered if they had been in Challengers
operation spearhead 
Thats the only one i could think of rest of the time i was to [zb]ed to know what was happening 
simon
SimonRS2K:
What a complete load of tosh
simon
And your first hand experience is?
I’m quite sure plenty of ex Army drivers can tell you how they’re taught to reverse…with a bloke stood in front of the wagon waving his arms to tell you which way to turn the steering wheel.
You can always tell someone who’s just left the Army and started driving “properly” by the length of time it takes them to get anywhere near the bay they want to be on and the 5000 ratchet straps securing the load.
cornish trucker:
I regularly get miffed with Army convoys on motorways, I was returning to Cornwall yesterday with a 13’2" wide load, not particularly heavy (84t), when I met a convoy of 16 landrovers and trailers travelling South on the M5.Speed they were travelling? 35mph, spaced at about 50’ intervals - WHY?
The way they do convoy driving is ludicrous. I remember being taught it. The problems were glaringly obvious.
Lead wagon sets the pace about 5-10MPH below speed limit. Other vehicles follow at regular gaps. When the vehicle behind them gets further behind, they slow a bit as then does the vehicle in front of them etc etc until they’re all crawling along at 30MPH - especially if they’ve got old clunker Bedford TMs or MKs anywhere in the convoy…
EVEN BETTER: - T Junctions.
Lead vehicle sets off. 2nd vehicle can’t get out so lead vehicle slows. Queue of civvy vehicles build up behind it. 2nd vehicle eventually gets out but now vehicle 3 can’t cos of the traffic so vehicle 2 slows more and so does vehicle 1 MAKING THE PROBLEM EVEN WORSE. In reasonably heavy traffic, the first handful of vehicles that have got out of the junction usually end up coming to a stop as, due to the resulting tailbacks, non of the others can get out of the junction.
Madness.
Conor:
Army drivers quite simply cannot reverse to save their lives.
This is all part of the physicological training they receive -
THE BRITISH ARMY NEVER GOES BACKWARDS!
Sprinter:
Was it Lionheart Kit Kat?
I reckon that’ll be the one
mr connor,your belittleing of englands finest is a bit under the belt mate .
yes .all forces drivers are taught like that so are ,the drivers in usa,holland.
belgium,etc etc, but they are also taught to reverse alone yes it may take some time to achive the standard of anormal lorry driver who drivesday in and out,unlike a forces driver who may only drive 1-3days a week when there are no exersizes, so of course they will require time to improve,which you took as welll when you started to drive,
NOW about loadsecurity,you need to rethink a little bit as,your forces driver has to take the load over routes that you DO not ,and you may be surprised how many belts you do require when secureing aload,take a lok at the sites about loadsecurity here on this site and read and digest,you will learn then perhaps,it is a wise man who is all ways willing to try and prevent a accident by too much security, used correctly , then be the poor misguided person who has to pay for his or hers failures,
Conor:
And your first hand experience is?
That would be this 
trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic. … light=gulf
Simon
ooooh that is so scary.
Not only are we the same age but you might have actually run into me if you’d been into the MRG11 workshops. Mind you, I think we all looked the same after a while…panda eyes, blank expression, “eh? what?” etc - lol
Conor
Nothing to do with being scary
(but if you was there and not scared well your a braver man than me)
The point i was trying to make was the army taught me to drive and it never did me no harm so where did it [zb] you up
simon
Have to agree with Conor for once. The convoy ‘planning’ is absurd. Someone once told me that they leave the gaps between them so that the traffic flows better and that trucks can pull in between them. Good idea if the convoy vehicles are 800 yards apart and doing 50mph, but they’re not. They’re about 80 yards apart so all that happens is the truckers just sit in the middle for 25 miles whilst they get past the 5 convoy vehicles.
To Cornish Trucker, I saw you round Gloucester way about 1830 if I recall correctly; I was northbound out of Shepton Mallet. Can’t remember the unit but it had ‘Trendale’ on the top of the cab and was pulling a cat. Thought you drove that little ■■■■-pot Scania so dismissed it as being you 
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