Strapping loads in Germany

brit pete:
@robB39; If you are going to contest the fine,please do yourself
a favour and get a lawyer-soliciter, the longer you take to either pay any fines
set or to contest the fine,
Means that you will find the said, fine may be increased,plus they will
also charge handling fees for doing the paper work,If you ““ARE NOT””
going to pay the fine be prepared when you next visit Germany and
get stopped and checked, the chances are,the following action may
be taken,YOU COULD FIND YOURSELF being ARRESTED??
OR–AND a higher fine being set,one that reflects how serious
they(germans) belive the offence was that you were charged with.

Rob,make sure that any legal represenative you approach is
fully conversent.with the german language,and the german
law system,Why because if not you will more than likely
end up paying even more of a fine,

Yeh, I’m really going to be able to afford that on £500 a week take home. To tell you the truth the job aint worth it. I think the Germans can go, sphringen up ze kooler.Thanks for the warning, I won’t be going back and if I can’t sort it out without a good lawyer that will be permanently. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

robB39;You can explain to them that you can only pay so much per month and ask them to agree, Normaly
they will let you do this, worth writeing and seeing
what they say,

dieseldave:
My translation of the scanned doc below.
Posted into the forum by kind permission of robB39[/u] :grimacing:

GGVSE §10 Nr 17

§ 10 Ordnungswidrigkeiten

dieseldave:
Ordnungswidrig im Sinne des § 10 Abs. 1 Nr. 1 des Gefahrgutbeförderungsgesetzes handelt, wer vorsätzlich oder fahrlässig…

dieseldave:

17. entgegen § 9 Abs. 13 eine Vorschrift über die Beladung oder die Handhabung nicht beachtet,

GGVSE § 10 Offences
Whoever deliberately or carelessly contravenes dangerous goods transport law shall be guilty of an offence, …

17. against § 9 Abs. 13 failed to comply with a regulation concerning loading or

dieseldave:
handling.

GGVSE
§ 9 Pflichten
(13) Der Verlader und der Fahrzeugführer haben im Straßenverkehr die Vorschriften über die Beladung und die Handhabung nach Kapitel 7.5 ADR zu beachten.

GGVSE § 9 Obligations
(13) In road transport, the loader and vehicle driver must observe/obey the regulations concerning loading and handling in chapter 7.5 of ADR.
[Joint responsibility]

ADR 7.5.7:
Handling and stowage

7.5.7.1 Where appropriate the vehicle or container shall be fitted with devices to facilitate securing and handling of the dangerous goods. Packages containing dangerous substances and unpackaged dangerous articles shall be secured by suitable means capable of restraining the goods (such as fastening straps, sliding slatboards, adjustable brackets) in the vehicle or container in a manner that will prevent any movement during carriage which would change the orientation of the packages or cause them to be damaged. When dangerous goods are carried with other goods (e.g. heavy machinery or crates), all goods shall be securely fixed or packed in the vehicles or containers so as to prevent the release of dangerous goods. Movement of packages may also be prevented by filling any voids by the use of dunnage or by blocking and bracing. Where restraints such as banding or straps are used, these shall not be over-tightened to cause damage or deformation of the package.

7.5.7.2 Packages shall not be stacked unless designed for that purpose. Where different design types of packages that have been designed for stacking are to be loaded together, consideration shall be given to their compatibility for stacking with each other. Where necessary, stacked packages shall be prevented from damaging the package below by the use of load-bearing devices.

We are talking about four friken pallets two on two with three ratchet straps holding them!!! FFS
OK, what’s a load bearing device■■? a friken pallet■■?

dieseldave:
Here’s the translation of the page you gave.
I can’t speak for the rest, but I’ve noticed that you’ve only given page 2.

The first page was formalities; names, place, offense offices, etc

dieseldave:
Die Ladung war nicht so gesichert, dass sie ihre Lage zueinander oder zu den Wänden des Fahrzeuges nicht verändern konnte. Die Fässer mit dem Gefahrgut standen teilweise ungesichert auf Holzpaletten. Es wurden nur drei Zurrgurte benutzt, die ohne Vorspannkräfte waren. Antirutschmatten waren nicht vorhanden.
The load was not secured so that the orientation of its component parts couldn’t alter in relation to each other or to the walls of the vehicle. Some of the drums containing the dangerous goods were not secured on the pallets. There were only three straps used, which were insufficiently tensioned. Anti-slip mats were not present.

Of course it was stupid square necked granny grunts (cockney slang).LOL

dieseldave:
Es wurden befördet:
5.530 kg UN 3082 UMWELTGEFÄRDENDER STOFF, FLÜSSIG, N.A.G., Kl. 9, III ADR
440 kg UN 1993 ENTZÜNDBARER FLÜSSIGER STOFF, N.A.G., Kl. 3, III ADR
The following [dangerous goods] were being carried:
5,530 kg of UN 3082 ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE, LIQUID, N.O.S., CLASS 9, PG III
440 kg of UN 1993 FLAMMABLE LIQUID, N.O.S., CLASS 3, PGIII

Ihre am Kontollort abgegebene Erklärung, Sie glaubten, eine genügende Ladungssicherung vorgenommen zu haben, entlastet Sie nicht.
Your explanation, that you believed you had used sufficient load securing devices, given at the time you were checked, does not exonerate you.SML

Well not in your eyes you racist Jew killing blue eyed krout eselchen frikers!!

dieseldave:
Laut den mitgeführten Beförderungsunterlagen war Ihnen bekannt, dass Sie gefährliche Güter transportierten.
According to the transport documents [that were present] it was known to you that you were transporting dangerous goods.

Die Beförderung von gefärlichen Gütern erlegt allen am Transport beteiligten Personen eine besondere Sorgfaltspflicht auf.
The transport of dangerous goods places a special duty of care on all persons taking part in the transport chain.

Die einzelnen Teile einer Ladung von gefährlichen Gütern müssen auf dem Fahrzeug so verstaut und durch geeignete Mittel so gesichert werden, dass sie ihre Lage zueinander und zu den Wändern des Fahrzeugs nicht verändern können.
The individual elements of a load of dangerous goods must be stowed and secured on the vehicle in such a way that their orientation to each other or to the walls of the vehicle cannot alter.

Well they were friken strapped, quoi thick toits!!

dieseldave:
Für den Transport wurde ein ‘Curtainsider’ ohne bordwände verwendet. Dabei stellt die Plane selbst keine Ladungssicherung dar.
For this transport, a curtainsider without sidewalls was used. Used in this way, the curtains of a curtainsider (when used alone) do not count as a load securing device.

Everybody and his dog knows they do, 'cos the manufacturer said so!!! Q: Don’t read or ignore manual??

Yeh? What’s a sidewall?? A box van? What are they friken saying?? Why would I use a curtain on a vehicle with solid sides??

Or are they saying side boards?? They were used,… and they’re a bunch of lying zbs.

Good job the Germans are so arrogant had they been open to reason they may have won the war. Arn’t you glad they’re stupid eselchen frikers!!■■ LOL

dieseldave:
[Bei verladung auf einem Curtainsider muss die Ladung — insbesondere Gefahrgut — direct an dem Boden mit Spanngurten befestigt werden, da die Konstruktionen bei auftretenden Fliehkräften durch plötliche Bremsung oder bei Ausweichmanövern die Ladung nicht halten kann.
When loading a curtainsider, the load —especially dangerous goods- must be placed directly on the floor

Bollox

dieseldave:
and be secured by tensioned straps, because that construction (the curtains of a curtainsider) cannot hold the load securely when centrifugal forces increase due to sudden braking or swerving.

Everybody and his dog knows they do, 'cos the manufacturer said so!!! - dickenkopfs

dieseldave:
color=blue]Als Kraftfahrer im grezüberschreitenden Güterkraftverkehr sind Ihnen die anzuwendenden Besimmungen bekannt, beziehungsweise hätten Ihnen bekannt sein müssen.
As an international commercial (professional) driver, the requirements are known to you, or should have been known to you.

Does ADR 7.5.7 forbid stacking?? Does it Fzb! Bollox!!

dieseldave:
Sollten Ihnen diese nicht bekannt gewesen sein, hätten Sie die Pflicht gehabt, sich vor Antritt der Fahrt mit diesen Vorschriften vertraut zu machen. Dies haben Sie offensichtlich unterlassen.
If these requirements weren’t known to you, you had the responsibility to familiarise yourself with them before you set off. You obviously didn’t do this.

FO! K B!!

dieseldave:
Da Sie Ihren berufsbezogenen Pflichten nicht mit hinreichender Sorgfalt nachgenommen sind, haben Sie die Ordnungswidrigkeit zumindest fahrlässig begangen. Es war die Festzetzung einer Geldbuße gegen Sie erforderlich.

Since you didn’t carry out your professional duties with sufficient care, you have committed, at least, the offence of carelessness.

F O. The only careless thing I did was to drive in your godforsaken zb hole of a country!! Which would have been a much better place if we had given it to the Poles!!

dieseldave:
For that reason, (the setting of) a fine against you was necessary.

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I know.

dieseldave:
Die Geldbuße wurde auf der Grundlage der Richtsätze des von den Behörden des Bundes und der Länder einheitlich angewendeten Bußgeldkataloges bemessen.
The level of fine was arrived at by reference to the unified National and State fines/offences catalogue.

What for??!! contravention of ADR??!!

Well after all that I’ve only one thing to say ,… Well three

Two world wars and one world cup, do da, do da!! :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing: :smiling_imp:

That was a bit of an outburst, Rob!
I can only assume from the posting time that it was well past your bedtime.
For your own sake, wind your neck in a bit, and chill out, please!
It seems to me , that you have been found to be in contravention of German and International ADR law in Germany, and as such, they have you bang to rights.
As this thread has been running since 13th October 2007, it should be apparent to those who visit this site and have followed this thread, that load securing should be at the top of the list of priorities when driving in Germany.
We can argue the pros and cons until the cows come home, but the fact remains that you were in a foreign country, and as such were subject to the laws of that country.
I obviously don’t know whether it is possible in your present job, but I think it would be better for all concerned if you stayed well away from Germany in the future, as you appear to have major issues with the Germans.
Whether or not you decide to pay your fine is up to you, but be aware that if you do not, and ever enter the country again, even in the distant future, you will be in deep doo doo if you are subject to a roadside check, or your passport is swiped.
I can appreciate that you are upset and angry, as in your opinion the load was correctly secured, but life’s too short, so live and learn, and move on!

Inselaffe:
That was a bit of an outburst, Rob!
I can only assume from the posting time that it was well past your bedtime.
For your own sake, wind your neck in a bit, and chill out, please!

OK, I was a bit Braams :blush: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I like most Germans and didn’t really mean that. :blush: :wink: Just got over my hangover. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

robB39:
OK, I was a bit Braams :blush: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I like most Germans and didn’t really mean that. :blush: :wink: Just got over my hangover. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Thought so :wink: :wink:
Take it easy, fella :exclamation: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

we get alot of 3.5t tilts in our place
even just an odd pallett 300kg ish gets the spanset treatment

mostly Poles but some German
most loads are for Germany

hitch:
we get alot of 3.5t tilts in our place
even just an odd pallett 300kg ish gets the spanset treatment

mostly Poles but some German
most loads are for Germany

Hi hitch, that’s spot-on mate.:grimacing:
Even though they are in the UK, ADR applies to their journey “door-to-door,” except for when ADR has a kip on the boat. :smiley: