To be honest I would like to know more about this before I comment, I see no sufferance than subbing to maritime or wincanski’s, many seem to make that pay.
It’s the costing I would like to see, out goings a week.
Hay1908:
fuse:
HAY that is a good way to go to keep the vehicle fully productive,I dont see how they can run on sto1 driver (the franchisee) drives for 56 hrs in the week and the other (your business partner) does 55.5 hrs. That in my eyes is the franchisee doing the majority.
What do you do in week two then? Based on your example above, the franchisee can only drive 34hours and his mate 34.5 hours in the 2nd week.
A deal like this is only as good as the guy in the office who routes and plans the work. I have worked for and read on here about planners and managers who couldn’t plan their way out of a paper bag. I can probably say I have only worked with about a handful of planners worth their weight in gold.
You will only earn enough to keep you interested and head above water. I have been past the old Irlam depot at Stoke on the M6 a few times the last week or so day and night and it’s rammed full of trailers. I would have thought they should all be out on the road earning not costing sat in a yard.
tallyman:
Can’t see O licence, only TM CPC (which they help with), but it does mention ‘Parking’ so I guess the franchisee would come under Stobart’s O licence.
You will need an O-Licence, it would be illegal to run on Stobarts licence.
Besides, why else would you need a CPC? The only thing you need it for is to get an O-Licence so if you didn’t need an O-L they wouldn’t ask you for a CPC.
Paul
Yes I also think any owner drivers would need their own o licence in th same way that all other o/ds have to for the likes of tarmac etc.
hammer:
Hay1908:
fuse:
HAY that is a good way to go to keep the vehicle fully productive,I dont see how they can run on sto1 driver (the franchisee) drives for 56 hrs in the week and the other (your business partnerWhat do you do in week two then? Based on your example above, the franchisee can only drive 34hours and his mate 34.5 hours in the 2nd week.
Do whatever they want, play golf if its what they are into or book themselves in for an appointment to get their backs, sacks and cracks seen to. 
What I’m getting at is that I have not sat down and worked out the absolute business plan (Like I said in a post as its just a bit of food for thought) and besides regardless of what hours of driving and work etc that anyone comes up with will have to remain within the LAW and even ES cant get 'You will be expected to break the law and have no time off/holidays/breaks etc whatsoever" written into the contract.
But thanks for your observation and I take it that you are of the opinion that 'Its and absolute rip off, and in no way or shape can anyone possibly be able to make a living out of it not even if there situation may no be the same as yours, or even if their idea of a decent income is different from yours or if their idea of a decent lifestyle is different from yours. Maybe we are all just ‘Nuggets!!’ as you said in an earlier post.
MrReliable:
A deal like this is only as good as the guy in the office who routes and plans the work. I have worked for and read on here about planners and managers who couldn’t plan their way out of a paper bag. I can probably say I have only worked with about a handful of planners worth their weight in gold.
You will only earn enough to keep you interested and head above water. I have been past the old Irlam depot at Stoke on the M6 a few times the last week or so day and night and it’s rammed full of trailers. I would have thought they should all be out on the road earning not costing sat in a yard.
This^ They pay a low basic to the Walking floor fellas and 22% of the trucks earnings! Why is it that most of these guys moan about their planners! In particular a Mr Irlam!
I thought about it for 30 seconds and realised that your earnings are dependent on some numbtie who invariably has no idea how to keep you in the money! (And I’ve worked for them over the last 4 years)
Unless you are extremely lucky and get a great planner! It’s a very risky venture! 
Hay1908:
fuse:
HAY that is a good way to go to keep the vehicle fully productive,I dont see how they can run on stobart licence though,this would mean if you were to put say a firman on your truck and he broke the rules stobart would also carry the can I think.Totally agree and there are probably loads of other pitfalls an holes in my ‘outside the box’ thoughts. i.e. as per there advert “Franchisee must drive the vehicle for the majority of the time and be able to put suitably qualified drivers on at peak periods, weekends, holidays etc” is a very vague statement as it does not stipulate as to how long majority is? 1 driver (the franchisee) drives for 56 hrs in the week and the other (your business partner
I do await some more of the finer details of the contract and/or other peoples thoughts and observations. Like I said initially, its purely just a daydream kind of a thought and after being armed with the right info and plenty of discussions amongst SME’s it may even become a venture worth a punt or it will remain as a dolly daydream.
peak periods,w/ends ,i really cant see how w/ends can be classed as peak[busy],most trucks are stood at the w/end,most days at w/end end up as 7/8 hrs,as for b/holidays they were ringing them up over the xmas/new year standing drivers down as nothing doing,one got rung up at 2 a.m on his way too work and told not to bother as nothing doing,all you want for w/ends-b/holidays is a 73 year old who wants to potter around doing 5/6/7/8 hrs and likes sitting in canteens,as for drive for one driver driving for 56 hrs,one for 55 hrs,my wtd hours are in the 20,s ,driving mostly drive 1 hr,tip,drive 30 mins/1 hr,coll,drive 1 hr,id guess 15/20 hrs driving p.w.
Cant believe they give you a scania for £12k, is it secondhand or something? whats stopping people from just getting the lorry and leaving stobbies straight away and working on there own?
bubsy06:
Cant believe they give you a scania for £12k, is it secondhand or something? whats stopping people from just getting the lorry and leaving stobbies straight away and working on there own?
I think you’ll find that Stobbies lease the truck to you including the r&m,service etc. At a cost and fuel up in their depots and get billed for your fuel!
The Scanias are the must economical wagons on their fleet!
I know cause I always get the fuel bonus! 
Foxstein:
Did Ady1 go for it last time?
no,they wanted trampers on it,not day shift drivers,im glad i didnt as my theory of putting in every hour possible wouldnt of worked on the fridges as most jobs are planned/work out to be 8 hrs ish now,at the time i believe i could of made it pay ,but now doing 8 hrs[3 in canteen],7 hrs,9 hrs etc,etc,parked up for 17 hrs etc wouldnt work,
to earn more id now be looking elsewhere,but maybe on ambient /bio-mass you could do the hours to make money,but not on my job,better to stick to company driver and take the 50 hrs gauranteed for 40 hrs attendance[was going to put work,but work its not ]
dessy:
bubsy06:
Cant believe they give you a scania for £12k, is it secondhand or something? whats stopping people from just getting the lorry and leaving stobbies straight away and working on there own?I think you’ll find that Stobbies lease the truck to you including the r&m,service etc. At a cost and fuel up in their depots and get billed for your fuel!
The Scanias are the must economical wagons on their fleet!
I know cause I always get the fuel bonus!
So you own what exactly?
bubsy06:
dessy:
bubsy06:
Cant believe they give you a scania for £12k, is it secondhand or something? whats stopping people from just getting the lorry and leaving stobbies straight away and working on there own?I think you’ll find that Stobbies lease the truck to you including the r&m,service etc. At a cost and fuel up in their depots and get billed for your fuel!
The Scanias are the must economical wagons on their fleet!
I know cause I always get the fuel bonus!So you own what exactly?
Your O License and CPC! That’s it! 
I think you’ll own the uniform they give you and will insist you wear !
You dont own anything,thats not how a franchise works you will be shareing the success of the Brand. Stobbarts have done the hard work by building the Brand. Most KFC’s and Mcdonalds are run on a Franchise basis.
The Coca Cola Kid:
You dont own anything,thats not how a franchise works you will be shareing the success of the Brand. Stobbarts have done the hard work by building the Brand. Most KFC’s and Mcdonalds are run on a Franchise basis.
Silly me I thought O/D was Owner Driver
So what they’re actually looking for is… Drivers.
Drivers that will pay for the maintenance on the trucks, fuel and tyres and another driver when you’re off.
Where do I apply?
bubsy06:
The Coca Cola Kid:
You dont own anything,thats not how a franchise works you will be shareing the success of the Brand. Stobbarts have done the hard work by building the Brand. Most KFC’s and Mcdonalds are run on a Franchise basis.Silly me I thought O/D was Owner Driver
In this case O/D is just a terminolgy- think about who is doing most of the input ie supplying trailer - supplying fuel - supplying work - etc etc and taking a percentage each month for their trouble. Try starting from scratch and see how hard it would be.
Where I used to work the lads and the gaffer got in bother for being self employed and working for the same company all the while. The lads were self-employed to save tax, nat insurance etc, but only worked for the one company.
Apparently, if you’re self-employed and work for the same person all the time, then you’re commiting fraud/tax evasion, as you should be employed by that company. The drivers got done and had to pay the back-tax and the gaffer got done.
So where’s the difference here?
Their truck, their trailer, their work, their fuel (which you pay for) and you can’t do loads for anyone else so you work exclusively for them.
So basically you are an employee of stobarts but not an employee of stobarts, you use their trucks, uniform, fuel, workshop, transport office but when you need time off it comes out of your pocket and you have to have someone to cover your time off. I personally would spend 12k on a nice car and find and employer that pays holidays etc without an upfront fee.