Well still haven’t found the person. 
What I find odd is that the brazilian variant is prevalent in France, United States and many other countries in which you can openly travel to without having to isolate afterwards.
The entire red list of countries makes no sense. If the brazilian covid variant is such a risk why are they still allowing indirect flights lol? So its not ok to travel directly from Brazil. But you can travel from Brazil to Germany than Germany to the UK and all is good.
System is a mess.
Truckulent:
old 67:
Truckulent:
robroy:
adam277:
Im not a doom monger.
In fact I am mainly anti lockdown.
But these threads are meant to encourage debate and discussion. Why come on a covid discussion just to say “Why bother talking about it” or on the Brexit thread “Why bother talking about brexit its done”.
Your actively trying to prevent any form of discussions. If you dont want to read the Brexit thread dont. There is a lot I disagree with on that thread. But I quite like listening to opposing views. If your ideology is so rigid that you dont need to listen to opposing views then just dont read it.
That’s a good point tbf…don’t read it,.I’ve already done that on all things Brexit and about to do the same with all this…Cheers.
I ain’t trying to ‘prevent’ anything either,.I can’t see anybody on here who wants a (yet another) pointless 10 page discussion being influenced by me. 
, I aint got that or any other kind of influence on here.
That’s the thing though, my and others whole points 
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It’s ALREADY been discussed, debated, and argued to death, to mind numbing depths, and it just attracts the same old small group of members, the same old boring links off the net by the obsessives, with little more in their lives to do at the moment, than gather up and copy paste numerous tedious [zb] examples to back up their points of view…With the odd nutter rocking up into the mix periodically (who will remain nameless ) …(cough Kloss [emoji38] ) ranting away like an unbalanced Adolf on a good day in full flow at a Nuremburg rally. 
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So no mate, as I said I ain’t trying to prevent anything, just giving my own point of view and opinion of the subject of the thread you posted…which is.
Personally I’m bored [zb] less of the blanket media coverage of all this, the restrictions on my life, accompanied by the irony of zero restrictions in doing as much work as I want.
The dark side of human nature brought out by all this…the grassing up of others, the gullibility of some who believe absolutely every [zb] thing they hear about Covid, and look at you as if you’re going to stab them, if you dare move within an inch of their strict beloved 2 metres social [zb] distance.
Sick of hearing about vaccines, bubbles, strains, and such key word crap, and to put in a nutshell absolutely [zb] ■■■■■■ off with it ALL,… it’s just pure overkill, and is getting like that on this forum.
That’s my take on it for what it’s worth anyway, you and your mates carry on with your next 10 pages, I’m sure the experts on this in the echelons of power and control of Covid will be hanging on every word from a few truckers.
Cheers.
Agree completely.
Do folk think the South African, Brazilian and Kent versions of this virus are the only mutations? They are testing a tiny amount of cases. There will be loads of other mutations we don’t know about. But that isn’t stopping the numbers falling like a stone.
The “muration” coverage is just intentional government -backed media scaremongering to keep people following the rules and baa-ing like a flock of Swaledales.
Meanwhile away from Cloud Covid Land around 500 a day die from cancer (many of them children), 200 from heart disease and 300 or so from dementia.
But they don’t seem to matter one iota.
We cannot keep shutting the country down, especially now the vast majority of the vulnerable have been inoculated. It’s crazy and serving no-one in the long term.
Time to move on and accept what will be will be.
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Can I respectfully ask why you believe this to be true ?
Regards John.
Certainly.
Much has been made of “saving lives”.
But the majority of Covid deaths have been the over 70s and 80s. Now I’d love to see all these folk live until they’re a hundred or more. But sadly, not everyone can or will. Cancer in particular kills a lot more younger folk - those that have still most of their lives in front, not behind them.
All deaths are sad. But the younger the person is, the sadder it tends to be.
Cancer patients at the end of their lives tend to not “block up” ICUs. They are far easier to look after in their last days. No danger of a huge media backlash - we’re conditioned to expect mamy cancer sufferers to die, whereas the opposite would be true with Covid creating public outrage.
It’s a simple equation for any government. Its just no comfort to those folk and their families that lose their lives much sooner from the likes of cancer.
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What do you mean “ICUs are being blocked”?
Do you mean: ICUs are occupied, and there are insufficient for our needs?
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The UK doesn’t do well on number of acute care, nor intensive care, beds per 100.000 population compared with other European countries.
link.springer.com/article/10.10 … 8/tables/2
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Carryfast:
old 67:
Can I respectfully ask why you believe this to be true ?
Regards John.
Certainly.
Much has been made of “saving lives”.
But the majority of Covid deaths have been the over 70s and 80s. Now I’d love to see all these folk live until they’re a hundred or more. But sadly, not everyone can or will. Cancer in particular kills a lot more younger folk - those that have still most of their lives in front, not behind them.
All deaths are sad. But the younger the person is, the sadder it tends to be.
Cancer patients at the end of their lives tend to not “block up” ICUs. They are far easier to look after in their last days. No danger of a huge media backlash - we’re conditioned to expect mamy cancer sufferers to die, whereas the opposite would be true with Covid creating public outrage.
It’s a simple equation for any government. Its just no comfort to those folk and their families that lose their lives much sooner from the likes of cancer.
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Thank you for your reply. I agree with what you say, especially about the plight of dying children being especially sad.
What I really should have asked is, are we attempting to save the lives of Covid patients and denying treatment to cancer patients etc., causing needless or premature deaths ?
If this is so, then I think it would be reasonable to say, as you did, that it appears to some that these these lives don’t matter.
Regards John.
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That whole argment is falling into the Triage trap that the establishment wants you to fall into.
They want you to think that it’s a choice of saving either/or not both.The rich don’t want to be spending their cash on taxes to maintain health care costs for the proles.
How far do you want to take that Triage zb.
The 40 year old cancer patient has to have their expensive treatment stopped to save the 30 year old cancer patient.
Oh wait the 30 year old then has to give way to a 20 year old.
Sorry we’ve now got an under 20 that needs our limited ICU care that trumps everything except the under 10’s.
So anyone over 20 tough they’ll all have to fight Sepsis etc on a ward with mostly inevitable results.
Also bearing in mind that in a cynical economics sense they’ll want to save those of working age with the most recovery and earning and tax paying potential.In which case it’s surely the cancellation of routine preventative surgery and investigation which is the biggest problem if we really want/have to make it an issue of rationing of health care.
The truth is Triage is inhuman and has no place outside of wartime military field hospitals.
No such issues in the German health care system.
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Triage as you describe it is not the problem. It is an underlying lack of resources. All the patients you describe should have beds available.
Look at funding for the NHS over the years.
When a politician says the NHS needs to be more efficient, ask what they really mean?
When you’re promised lower taxes, ask how is that possible?
When politicians suggest the wealthy should pay more ask how that would work?
Extra tax so all benefit, or a two tier system so some richer individuals get better treatment. What would happen to the basic level then I wonder?
Franglais:
Carryfast:
That whole argment is falling into the Triage trap that the establishment wants you to fall into.
They want you to think that it’s a choice of saving either/or not both.The rich don’t want to be spending their cash on taxes to maintain health care costs for the proles.
How far do you want to take that Triage zb.
The 40 year old cancer patient has to have their expensive treatment stopped to save the 30 year old cancer patient.
Oh wait the 30 year old then has to give way to a 20 year old.
Sorry we’ve now got an under 20 that needs our limited ICU care that trumps everything except the under 10’s.
So anyone over 20 tough they’ll all have to fight Sepsis etc on a ward with mostly inevitable results.
Also bearing in mind that in a cynical economics sense they’ll want to save those of working age with the most recovery and earning and tax paying potential.In which case it’s surely the cancellation of routine preventative surgery and investigation which is the biggest problem if we really want/have to make it an issue of rationing of health care.
The truth is Triage is inhuman and has no place outside of wartime military field hospitals.
No such issues in the German health care system.
Triage as you describe it is not the problem. It is an underlying lack of resources. All the patients you describe should have beds available.
Look at funding for the NHS over the years.
When a politician says the NHS needs to be more efficient, ask what they really mean?
When you’re promised lower taxes, ask how is that possible?
When politicians suggest the wealthy should pay more ask how that would work?
Extra tax so all benefit, or a two tier system so some richer individuals get better treatment. What would happen to the basic level then I wonder?
Triage is the resulting health care rationing put into practice.
All to save taxes and labour costs for the rich.
No such iussues in Germany because the Germans won’t put up with it.Their hybrid private based system allows health care costs to be put into the wage bargaining process.
All of which is moot if jobs are then shipped out to the lowest bidder.
So remind me how isn’t Triage,
in the form of palliative classification or no ICU provision for the ‘older’ lower priority patient, to pay for the vascular surgery or ICU bed of the higher priority younger one,
the ‘problem’.
You’re disagreeing to agree with me. 
I’m still searching for a chick with a Brazilian. That would do me nicely.
the maoster:
I’m still searching for a chick with a Brazilian. That would do me nicely.
Reckon most have em nowadays…The day of The ■■■■■■■ is well gone. 
You’re maybe searching in the wrong age group mate.
robroy:
the maoster:
I’m still searching for a chick with a Brazilian. That would do me nicely.
Reckon most have em nowadays…The day of The ■■■■■■■ is well gone.
You’re maybe searching in the wrong age group mate.
Blimey does the ‘vaccine’ also have an effect on that.I’d be more worried about the long hairy arms and the fangs and throwing zb around when they lose their temper.
adam277:
Well still haven’t found the person. [emoji38]
What I find odd is that the brazilian variant is prevalent in France, United States and many other countries in which you can openly travel to without having to isolate afterwards.
The entire red list of countries makes no sense. If the brazilian covid variant is such a risk why are they still allowing indirect flights lol? So its not ok to travel directly from Brazil. But you can travel from Brazil to Germany than Germany to the UK and all is good. [emoji38]
System is a mess.
Found him in Croydon…THANK GOD WE ARE SAVED
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James.908:
adam277:
Well still haven’t found the person. [emoji38]
What I find odd is that the brazilian variant is prevalent in France, United States and many other countries in which you can openly travel to without having to isolate afterwards.
The entire red list of countries makes no sense. If the brazilian covid variant is such a risk why are they still allowing indirect flights lol? So its not ok to travel directly from Brazil. But you can travel from Brazil to Germany than Germany to the UK and all is good. [emoji38]
System is a mess.
Found him in Croydon…THANK GOD WE ARE SAVED
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Yep only took a week. I wonder how many people that individual was in contact with in that time. :
We arent saved yet though. We have a new variant!
bbc.co.uk/news/health-56284155
We can all sleep now he found
hotseat:
We can all sleep now he found
Build a wall around croydon…do us all a favour
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Almost every post on this and other subject screams “what about the children” What about the cancer patients?
Cancer is a generic term for many serious and not so serious diseases, too many die, but many do survive, during this pandemic, cancer patients havent been left to die, if you develop a lump or a bleed you will be seen, you will continue your treatment if you were having treatment before this pandemic.
I have 2 hospital visits a week, occasionally 3 and in 12 months I have only had one cancelled appointment.
I have a 25 year old bottle of Stardrops that is specially formulated for Coronavirus.
Wheel Nut:
Almost every post on this and other subject screams “what about the children” What about the cancer patients?
Cancer is a generic term for many serious and not so serious diseases, too many die, but many do survive, during this pandemic, cancer patients havent been left to die, if you develop a lump or a bleed you will be seen, you will continue your treatment if you were having treatment before this pandemic.
I have 2 hospital visits a week, occasionally 3 and in 12 months I have only had one cancelled appointment.
I have a 25 year old bottle of Stardrops that is specially formulated for Coronavirus.
Interesting view, though contrary to the oncologist on Radio 4 just before Christmas who said he’d seen 49% fewer cases than in previous years. He was of the opinion that sadly it wasn’t due to 49% fewer patients developing cancer, but due to 49% fewer being referred or even bothering to go to the doctors in the first place.
There’s no argument that Covid hasn’t affected other NHS treatments because it irrefutable has - both physical and mental health has been badly impacted. Two minutes research is all that’s required to see that’s the case.
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Truckulent:
Wheel Nut:
Almost every post on this and other subject screams “what about the children” What about the cancer patients?
Cancer is a generic term for many serious and not so serious diseases, too many die, but many do survive, during this pandemic, cancer patients havent been left to die, if you develop a lump or a bleed you will be seen, you will continue your treatment if you were having treatment before this pandemic.
I have 2 hospital visits a week, occasionally 3 and in 12 months I have only had one cancelled appointment.
I have a 25 year old bottle of Stardrops that is specially formulated for Coronavirus.
Interesting view, though contrary to the oncologist on Radio 4 just before Christmas who said he’d seen 49% fewer cases than in previous years. He was of the opinion that sadly it wasn’t due to 49% fewer patients developing cancer, but due to 49% fewer being referred or even bothering to go to the doctors in the first place.
There’s no argument that Covid hasn’t affected other NHS treatments because it irrefutable has - both physical and mental health has been badly impacted. Two minutes research is all that’s required to see that’s the case.
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Two minutes research is normally enough to prove anything…
Franglais:
Truckulent:
Wheel Nut:
Almost every post on this and other subject screams “what about the children” What about the cancer patients?
Cancer is a generic term for many serious and not so serious diseases, too many die, but many do survive, during this pandemic, cancer patients havent been left to die, if you develop a lump or a bleed you will be seen, you will continue your treatment if you were having treatment before this pandemic.
I have 2 hospital visits a week, occasionally 3 and in 12 months I have only had one cancelled appointment.
I have a 25 year old bottle of Stardrops that is specially formulated for Coronavirus.
Interesting view, though contrary to the oncologist on Radio 4 just before Christmas who said he’d seen 49% fewer cases than in previous years. He was of the opinion that sadly it wasn’t due to 49% fewer patients developing cancer, but due to 49% fewer being referred or even bothering to go to the doctors in the first place.
There’s no argument that Covid hasn’t affected other NHS treatments because it irrefutable has - both physical and mental health has been badly impacted. Two minutes research is all that’s required to see that’s the case.
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Two minutes research is normally enough to prove anything…
In this case the facts speak for themselves.
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In relation to cancer and cancelled treatments I doubt there is anyone who hasnt had first hand experience in the family of delayed treatment.
But plenty of first hand experience online.
youtube.com/watch?v=KGckcSqUYhk
My Cancer Surgery Was Cancelled Due To COVID, Now It’s Terminal’
youtube.com/watch?v=cCSgcIFG2RM
youtube.com/watch?v=Au7Ibe0tzvo
Wheel Nut:
cancer patients havent been left to die, if you develop a lump or a bleed you will be seen, you will continue your treatment if you were having treatment before this pandemic.
Read these from a cancer forum and then make an account telling them they are wrong.
cancerresearchuk.org/about- … operations
cancerresearchuk.org/about- … vid-delays
I just think myself and my family are lucky to live within shouting distance of a very caring specialist hospital who ARE still working and seeing patients face to face. They are still continuing chemotherapy and radiotherapy, my neighbour goes 3 times a week, or maybe he is fibbing just to get out of the house.