Sorry to hear this but…
If you have paid £1400.00 quid why on earth are you letting a numpty who seems quite pathetic and rather have a smoke and cuppa with his mates then teach his trainee… teach you.
You should of told the boss your not happy… it was your money and you have allowed this numpty to let you waste it.
forget the 3 minors is within instructors level as ROG says if you fail on the reversing… b4 you get out of test centre…
ROG, learn to get a grip
discoman:
forget the 3 minors is within instructors level as ROG says if you fail on the reversing… b4 you get out of test centre…
ROG, learn to get a grip
I was not refering to the “whole test” just the road drive and firebird knows this as we have spoken.
To give a driver due praise for an excellent road drive and therefore boost their confidence for next time is no bad thing. Ok, so part of the “off road” went awry, in this case it was due to bad training, and I do not see that as being the case for saying “YOU ARE A FAILURE”.
Thanks Rog, its nice to see that some people have some sensitivity, and Disco man, dont assume i didnt talk to the owner and just let him teach in a bad way, ASK the question first before assuming cos we all know what assuming does it makes and ■■■ out of U and Me, but on this occasion I was not the ■■■.
I will not state that i am the greatest driver, YES i did FAIL and thanks for pointing that out as i nearly for 1 minute forgot!
Sorry too hear you failed mate - when are you booking your re test?
Still waiting to hear, could be next week to the weekend, im hoping to have everything done and dusted by then god willing! 
good luck and chin up 
If i can do it it cant be that hard
sorry to hear you failed fb, ive not been on here much since we last spoke and i only came on today to see if you had passed, im so gutted for you i hope all goes better for you next time.
keep your chin up
lee
Hi there,
Just recently joined the forum.
Same as everyone else boss, sorry to hear that you failed to pass “on this occasion”, which can only mean that you’ll eventually be walking away with a Pass Certificate!
I’ve just gained my C+E in Hampshire through Zenith Driver Training (also did my C with 'em, but that’s another story) and I failed to pass on my 1st attempt…but I failed right at the end. I did the Reverse lovely with 1 shunt, almost mucked up my Controlled Stop (2 driving faults), the drive went with 8 driving faults. I then came back into the Driving Test Centre at Botley (Southampton LGV) to do the Uncouple/recouple bit - I uncoupled brilliantly, hitched the tractor unit back to the trailer after my 3rd attempt (it did require a bit of speed, which I was nervous about), then I reconnected the Suzis…or at least I thought I had.
I finished recoupling and sat back in the cab waiting to hear I’d passed (I’d looked at the Report form when I came back in) then the examiner said “Are you satisfied that you have recoupled your vehicle safely, securely and correctly?” to which I said yes. The examiner then very sheepishly and quietly said “come out and have a look…”. By this point my heart was at my feet. The examiner then showed me 1 of the electrical suzis that I’d connected (it happened to be the very last suzi I reconnected) and what I’d done is instead of taking the Suzi out from the holder at the side, I took it out of the middle. So I’d reconnected that suzi to the Trailer okay, but the suzi lead back to the “Holder” for where you stow that electrical suzi…so the Fog Lights weren’t connected! Serious Fault - immediate fail…Right at the ******* end of the test.
So I definitely know how you feel, if anything what I did was so much more crushing; just wanted the ground to swallow me up and take me somewhere else!
I’ll give you top credit though for Not terminating your test like a lot of people would do, that way your whole driving is examined - otherwise you wouldn’t of known.
Bestest of luck for your next test, but if you’re as competent as your examiner said you were, then you won’t need luck!
Richard
Hi thanks for that, well it did get a bit worse to say the least, i re took my test 2 days ago at Garretts Green, i began the reverse exercise and had to stop shortly after as 2 drivers had parked there truck in they lane inbetween the reversing pad and the braking area, and they decided to walk down my nearside of my trailer. i carried on and the examiner stopped me thinking i had spoken to him when i had not. carried on 2 shunts got it in the bay and was exstatic, another examiner said i got it in lovely. did my braking and onto the road test.
No probs returned to the test centre asked to pull over and i was told i had failed 
I got 3 minors again 
he failed me for the reversing saying i didnt use my left mirror, i pointed out to him i had to have as my focal point for the reverse is in my left mirror, also if i had not i would have run the 2 drivers over who were walking next to my trailer. Also that the reverse basically didnt look pretty enough for him, and that i was only entitled to 2 shunts, i pointed out that it was a good job i had only used to shunts in that case, I didnt cross any lines, hit any cones, only used 2 shunts and got in into the bay to the pleasure of the other examiner, enough for him to tell me i didnt need to get out the truck as it was lovely, He also said i had driven to close to a learner driver when i had been at a distance of about 10 metres whilst turning right slowly at traffic lights. i pointed out this was ridiculous and not even possible for me to catch the car whilst carrying out the manouvre. He also denied me my right to carry out my uncoupling as i had quote “already done it before in my last test” but hey! I have formatted my appeal as i will not let this happen, i gave a good test, 3 minors, i completed the reverse to the instruction the examiner gave me, and i was denied the right to complete my test. all of which i have on my test report.
This is really becoming a joke 
The examiner stopped the test because “you’ve done the uncoupling before”?
That really doesn’t sound right, you definitely have a right to appeal against that - the examiner can only stop your test if:
a) You declare you are feeling ill,
b) You declare you do not want to carry on, or
c) Your driving is judged to be dangerous and placing yourself, the examiner or the public
I’m sure someone else could come up with a fully comp. list, but those are the basic reaons for a examiner stopping a test…not just simply because you’ve already done something before.
I’m really sorry to hear you’re having trouble with your C+E training and if I was in your position I’d be quite angry. You said another “examiner” (not trainee or instructor) said you’d done your Reversing Exercise lovely…make sure you mention that!!
Wish you all the best of luck - keep us posted!
Richard
Well this is my issue, he didnt stop my test to him i had completed it, he actually said to me " i wont ask you to complete the uncoupling exercise as you have already done that before", to me what i have previously has no relevance as if that was the case on this test i would only have had to do the reversing as i had completed the others within standard previously!
I have mentioned this in my appeal letter.
I was not given the opportunity to complete my test, and this is also shown on the test report, it also does not indicate that he stopped the test, as he didnt. he just refused to allow me to complete the last exercise as i had proven previously i can do it to the standard required!
Some thing i also forgot to mention was during my test and against my will, cos i know how to drive he was giving me instruction as to where to position myself at junctions and on a particular bridge told me to " scrape your tyres against the kerb" so get around it.
I know how to drive this vehicle and im fully aware where to position myself and didnt need his verbal interferance. needless to say i am furious with how this test went
I agree. Coming back with only three minors is a pretty good drive - very good in fact.
However it often happens that if a trainee fails any part of the test on a C +E the examiner asks if they want to carry on with the uncoupling or would they prefer not to bother - as a lot of trainees complain that they had to cary on with the uncoupling because the examiner had not told them at this point that they had failed and if he had they would have preferred not to have bothered.
It makes no difference if you had completed it on previous tests - as you say, the previous test has no bearing on the present one.
As for him suggesting you ‘scrape the tyres’ they sometimes do this on tight turns. The reason for this is that they understand that certain vehicles physically cannot get round in the space given so they take the responsibility to allow you to touch the kerb without you thinking it will be a fail.
Well started again at 8.30 am went straight to the reversing pad with john my new instuctor and within an hour i was reversing and i understood what it was all about, sometimes getting it in 1 sometimes with a shunt so i was well happy 
Went for a drive around and got to the test centre for my test at 2.30 pm, did the braking exercise, no probs! did the reversing i took 2 shunts but still got it in lovely and out on the drive, gear change exercise boy was i happy but this time very very nervous!
Went into Stafford and i made a fatal mistake, at an island i positioned myself in the left lane as there was 3 lanes and all full of traffic, i didnt wait to straddle the 2 lanes to go straight ahead, then i realised with a car to my right and a kerb and railings to my left i had shagged myself good and proper
My choices were swerve to the right and potentially hit the car or clip the kerb! i opted for clipping the kerb i knew i had failed and i carried on and got back to the test centre, on this occasion i elected to not do the uncoupling as i was angry with myelf and it was heaving it down with rain!
The examiner took a long time to tell me that my driving was very good and that he was under no illusion that i could more than drive it and it was 1 mistake although still a fail.
I valued the advice he gave me and he said he wanted to be the one to pass me.
I have no one to blame for me failing except for myself, through not reading the road ahead and judging the angles correctly i had failed myself by my lack of preparation 
i deserved to fail
Awww, mate, that’s tough. Don’t be too hard on yourself though, it’s supposed to be hard. 
You’ll get there, and appreciate it all the more - and probably be a better driver for the extra stuff you’ve learnt - when you do. Hang in there, we’ll still be here rooting for you. (((HUGS)))
NEXT TIME - 
That’s crap, know the feeling when you do something and immediately realise you’ve just stuffed it, get that sinking stomach feeling. Still, at least you decided to kiss the curb rather than the car That was probably the more important decision… And if the examiner’s rooting for you, hopefully should all be good the next time round if you have the same guy and do another good drive.
Bugger!
Thought you’d do it this time, hard luck chuck.
You will do it just keep at it
Aww that’s rotten
But it did sound like a more positive test this time round.
Well done on that reserve sounds like you’ve nailed it.
Get straight in with another test. You’ll get there