Juddian:
You need to get yourselves unionised properly and support your steward and each other, good union agreements take into account what trackers can and cannot be used for.
Divided and alone you are easy pickings, one at a time you are picked off and the other blokes say and do nothing, get the sack and they fight over who’s having your truck before you’ve cleared your kit out.
You need a gobby bolshey sod for steward though, one who can’t be bought.
The anonymity of driving has been removed to a certain degree, but why should you care? In most environments you work with your boss either in the office/warehouse with you while driving you don’t. Be thankful you don’t drive a bus where there are camera’s all over the place and scratching your backside is recorded, while for their own safety it can be somewhat invasive.
I don’t care, we are tracked but we work hard in our relatively short working day and are very well salaried, so the sooner we get the job done the sooner we go home, they never bother us cos there is no need to, but we work for a proper employer who appreciates their staff, who in turn appreciate their jobs.
The blokes who are bothered by it here are bullied in some cases, get unecessary grief for idiotic virtul reports on their driving and their pay is often bloody rubbish to boot, their only way to better pay and conditions is to organise themselves, and stick together and negotiate better pay and conditions, and get spying equipment off the disciplinary agenda.
There’s a good reason why tankers and car transporters are the best paid jobs, any guesses why…and you don’t get some office bod who wouldn’t know which end of a truck to get in putting you on notice for the heinous crime of doing 45mph on a 2 way road, or stopping for a p.
While drivers are prepared to take it up the back they’ll get it more and more, bloody stick together and join a union lads.
IF you can get a decent proper salary negotiated, luckily it should affect the shop stewards and drivers reps the same too, they’ve been responsible for helping maintain the status quo at many unfairly paid jobs, as the management have made sure they get the correct work/hours to keep them (and their immediate cronies who keep them voted in) onside and not rock the boat and sod the rest of the workforce who are often too blind to see
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Some lads i know who were refused TUPE on one contract at Immingham went down the legal route and won (union of little help)
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Don’t be bullied and don’t believe everything the union say, you need good competent legal advice if the new company don’t play ball, so stick together and share the costs.
contradict this i’m afraid
While drivers are prepared to take it up the back they’ll get it more and more, bloody stick together and join a union lads.
But of course sick pay is an advantage often gained by various Unions and consistently abused. Either way Union rhetoric has neither use nor relation to if a company wishes to protect their assets with using GPS systems. personally i have never witnessed someone being bullied by such a device, caught out yes but bullied no. In addition at the end of the day if you are being bullied full stop you are protected under many different employment laws, the very ones which made the Unions obsolete. If you consider it to be “spying equipment” you are either ignorant or blind to the many benefits from an operational perspective.
I have had to use such systems in disciplinary hearings before, in one instance the driver was using the vehicle without permission and for hire, which resulted in his dismissal. Another in an instance where a claim was made against our company for a bridge strike on private land, after investigation the claim was proven to be untrue.
I would happily drive all day being tracked. If i was speeding and i was caught then so be it, i should not have been speeding.
I would say most trucks in canada are tracked and computerised messaging.
was called once asking why i was in the USA ■■? me no im running west in canada about 10mls north of the border (seems thunderstorms,heavy rain can f them up.)
Friend on same company broke down ,truck taken to garage and was told someone would pick him up ,so ken is in his cab and asked where his lift was ,told ,walk out gate turn left 100mtrs and truck was there !!
Big brother rules over here.(cover tracker dish with kitchen foil it works).
jimmy.
I just can’t work out why after having had it for months they’ve suddenly become interested in constantly seeing where I am. Probably just a fad, at least it’s only a position fix type thing and not a full account of how many ■■■■■ I’ve been doing.
Other driver is going to ring in and ask for directions if he gets much more of it
mike68:
I would also like to know if you left the engine idling
The FH Im driving at the mo (its a rental unit for some reason) has a thing on it wwhere if your stationary and the engines running for a few minutes it cuts out…
mike68:
I would also like to know if you left the engine idling
The FH Im driving at the mo (its a rental unit for some reason) has a thing on it wwhere if your stationary and the engines running for a few minutes it cuts out…
Thats not a new thing. My old R reg ERF EC11 i drove at Lynx Express done that.
Spacemonkeypg:
sometimes its used to pinpoint a driver and vehicle when a member of the public has claimed an accident and at the end of the day it can be used for many purposes.
I have had claims made by members of the public about damage caused to their vehicles which where proved to be incorrect using such tacking system.
I agree with this; My boss said this was the first benefit when we first had them fitted. It showed up blatantly fake claims, and also NIMBYs talking crap about lorries speeding through their villages. No problem with them being used for fuel consumption etc (as I’m one the best ) but it gets on my nerves when I get the “where are you?”
mike68:
I would also like to know if you left the engine idling
The FH Im driving at the mo (its a rental unit for some reason) has a thing on it wwhere if your stationary and the engines running for a few minutes it cuts out…
Thats not a new thing. My old R reg ERF EC11 i drove at Lynx Express done that.
up until this season i used to drive gritters at night/weekends
these were fitted with trackers that also showed the vehicle speed ,belt speed of the gritter ,gate opening , spinner width setting
symmetrical / asymmetrical ,or basicly everything the vehicle was doing
so when accidents happened and the shouts of not gritted came in ,it was a simple case of printing of the exact position with all the relevant info next it ,instead of the driver having to make statements etc
Let’s not forget one thing here. “Trackers” and “Tachograph’s” were introduced for one reason only.
To maximise profit.
All this nonsense about your safety and insurance is BS.
Solly:
Ermmm! Some people for - many against “Trackers”.
Let’s not forget one thing here. “Trackers” and “Tachograph’s” were introduced for one reason only.
To maximise profit.
All this nonsense about your safety and insurance is BS.
Thank you.
how does a tacho maximise profit without one would be better no
I really dont see the problem of the TM ringing you or using a tracker,if you do your work and take the required breaks etc then you have no problem,where i work is reasonably relaxed,if im on a longer day where im pushing full hours(rarley)i take my usual required breaks and if i feel the need to stop at a services or shop or layby for 5 minutes here or there i never hear about it from anyone,rarley the tracker is mentioned,99% of times im rang to do a collection they know where i am so i just go and do it, and if they ask where i am i take it as a test to see what i will say ,they could be looking at the tracker so no point in me saying otherwise,also its handy for insurance and security,also when im lost or driving round in circles in a strange town or city with no street map ive rang into the office and asked the guys to see where i am and where i need to go,so its handy that way too as i dont use a sat-nav.So overall ive no big issue with a tracker or phine call,although i was sceptical of them when being introduced to out fleet.
Used to have the tracker in our vehicles, it also monitored how many times the doors were opened.
I opened both doors and pressed the little black plastic switch that operates the interior light, as fast as I could for about a minute, then walked round to the passenger side and did the same.
Did that with every motor I was in. Nothing was said but I like to ■■■■ with their minds in the office.
Solly:
Ermmm! Some people for - many against “Trackers”.
Let’s not forget one thing here. “Trackers” and “Tachograph’s” were introduced for one reason only.
To maximise profit.
All this nonsense about your safety and insurance is BS.
Thank you.
How does a tacho maximise profit in the negative aspect you have placed it?
In addition i dont care if people think that the reasons they where installed is to maximise profit, because if they then activated their other brain cell they would work out the company profit = job security. But we live in hope
ThrustMaster:
Used to have the tracker in our vehicles, it also monitored how many times the doors were opened.
I opened both doors and pressed the little black plastic switch that operates the interior light, as fast as I could for about a minute, then walked round to the passenger side and did the same.
Did that with every motor I was in. Nothing was said but I like to [zb] with their minds in the office.
ThrustMaster:
Used to have the tracker in our vehicles, it also monitored how many times the doors were opened.
I opened both doors and pressed the little black plastic switch that operates the interior light, as fast as I could for about a minute, then walked round to the passenger side and did the same.
Did that with every motor I was in. Nothing was said but I like to [zb] with their minds in the office.
Do you dribble on the windscreen when you drive?
I actually found this hugely amusing and was chuckling about it during the day. I’d be tempted to climb in and out of the windows to really fog the picture.
Whilst I may not like some of the data being fed back I can see some logic behind most of it, but I fail to see the relevance of knowing how many times the door has been opened. I wonder what potential saving could be had by some of this equipment against the cost of analysing it.
On another note I took my son to the walk in medical centre and had to fill out a stack of details. Name, address DOB, doctor, school, symptoms all relevant. Ethnicity and 1st language what difference does that make to a broken finger? Refused to fill in that bit, can’t see what relevance the colour of his finger is.
without one would be better no