Ok - the other day i posted a question of the dcpc course I had just done.
if you start at 6am and work till 9pm and then start work the next day at 8am how much daily rest have you had? Well the answer was 9 because you work 6am till 6am in the 24 hour period. Right - would that mean that I could then start work at 9.05am the next day and claim a split break? or do you have to do 1 min work to qualify??
Or am I just being an egit?
No, once you hit 6.a.m on the second day, then whatever you did on the first day is history, and cannot be altered. That particular 24 hour period is over and it doesn’t matter if you have 11 hours off after your first day because only 9 of those hours fitted into the 24 hour period and so that is a reduced rest.
Personally, I think the way the law is worded is ludicrously over-complicated and confusing. Any normal person would say that if you stopped work at 9 p.m. and then started work the next day at 8 a.m. then you had had 11 hours off but that isn’t the way the pen-pushers see it.
As Harry says, a split daily rest only works with a minimum 3hr 1st rest period, and a minimum 9hr 2nd rest period.
I think the reason it’s still done on 24hr clock Harry, is because of the old discs, anything over that 24hr clock would be over-writing info, that’s the way I see it anyway, if you think of putting a disc in at 0600, then by 0559 the disc has done 24hrs and you must’ve done your work AND your daily rest by then, so obviously once you’re 1 minute over 13hrs duty, you can’t possibly have 11hrs rest before the disc has completed its circle, hence you’re now on a reducer.
waynedl:
As Harry says, a split daily rest only works with a minimum 3hr 1st rest period, and a minimum 9hr 2nd rest period.I think the reason it’s still done on 24hr clock Harry, is because of the old discs, anything over that 24hr clock would be over-writing info, that’s the way I see it anyway, if you think of putting a disc in at 0600, then by 0559 the disc has done 24hrs and you must’ve done your work AND your daily rest by then, so obviously once you’re 1 minute over 13hrs duty, you can’t possibly have 11hrs rest before the disc has completed its circle, hence you’re now on a reducer.
Stop using the common sense approach Wayne, no one will ever believe that there is a valid reason for it 
You would have to show other work at 6am on day two, a minute or so would do it, then take 3 hours rest, then yes you could call that split daily rest (obviously you would need another 9 hours of rest before 6:00 am day 3) but it would only count as split daily rest for the second day.
schrodingers cat:
You would have to show other work at 6am on day two, a minute or so would do it, then take 3 hours rest, then yes you could call that split daily rest (obviously you would need another 9 hours of rest before 6:00 am day 3) but it would only count as split daily rest for the second day.
And as I keep pointing out, you cannot do 13 or 15 hour days when you split your rest period.
3 plus 9 will always make 12
i hope they make things even more complex/stupid in the future, i really do.
when i get prosecuted i always elect to go to court. it’s always dropped beforehand. this is due to the wording of the charge in comparison to the wording of the law. even the police, cps, and vosa havn’t got a clue, so a magistrate, judge, or jury would be a doddle to confuse.
limeyphil:
i hope they make things even more complex/stupid in the future, i really do.
when i get prosecuted i always elect to go to court. it’s always dropped beforehand. this is due to the wording of the charge in comparison to the wording of the law. even the police, cps, and vosa havn’t got a clue, so a magistrate, judge, or jury would be a doddle to confuse.
The skill of a good poacher, is knowing how a gamekeepers mind works 
Wheel Nut:
schrodingers cat:
You would have to show other work at 6am on day two, a minute or so would do it, then take 3 hours rest, then yes you could call that split daily rest (obviously you would need another 9 hours of rest before 6:00 am day 3) but it would only count as split daily rest for the second day.And as I keep pointing out, you cannot do 13 or 15 hour days when you split your rest period.
3 plus 9 will always make 12
Where exactly did I say anything about 13 or 15 hour days?
The question was could he use the first 3 hours of day two to make up a split daily rest, I said yes as long as he shows some work at 6am day two, then takes 3 hours rest, and must take another 9 hours before 6am the following day.
Nothing about 13 or 15 hours.
Wheel Nut:
And as I keep pointing out, you cannot do 13 or 15 hour days when you split your rest period.3 plus 9 will always make 12
but in the world of tacho regs it counts as your 11hrs off! Another way then, up until April 2007 when they simplified it, you could have 8 hrs rest as long as you had four hrs ( 1+1+2 or 2+2 ) uninterrupted rest! With having eight off, did that mean you could do a 16 HR day? No! 
Four nines a week me as long as I have a split daily rest of three hours on one day, it doesn’t matter if you do 13 or 15! 
it’s easier to do on your 13 hrs, so you can start on 22hrs instead of 24 hrs reference period! Crack on to Macon!
schrodingers cat:
Wheel Nut:
schrodingers cat:
You would have to show other work at 6am on day two, a minute or so would do it, then take 3 hours rest, then yes you could call that split daily rest (obviously you would need another 9 hours of rest before 6:00 am day 3) but it would only count as split daily rest for the second day.And as I keep pointing out, you cannot do 13 or 15 hour days when you split your rest period.
3 plus 9 will always make 12
Where exactly did I say anything about 13 or 15 hour days?
The question was could he use the first 3 hours of day two to make up a split daily rest, I said yes as long as he shows some work at 6am day two, then takes 3 hours rest, and must take another 9 hours before 6am the following day.
Nothing about 13 or 15 hours.
I am not sure why I quoted you, maybe I was feeling lonely and scared.
My only point was that drivers say they are taking a 9 without mentioning the earlier 3. All I was meaning to everyone taking 12 hours daily rest in a day is not having a reduced rest.
Sorry for the quote.
Fatboy slimslow:
Wheel Nut:
And as I keep pointing out, you cannot do 13 or 15 hour days when you split your rest period.3 plus 9 will always make 12but in the world of tacho regs it counts as your 11hrs off! Another way then, up until April 2007 when they simplified it, you could have 8 hrs rest as long as you had four hrs ( 1+1+2 or 2+2 ) uninterrupted rest! With having eight off, did that mean you could do a 16 HR day? No!
It does count as an 11 hours rest period, but that doesn’t mean you can do 13 hours work.
Agreed. The 16 hour days ended when they raised the 8 hour minimum rest period to 9 hours and then again in September 2010 when they realigned the AETR with the EC regs
Wheel Nut:
To the CatThe question was could he use the first 3 hours of day two to make up a split daily rest, I said yes as long as he shows some work at 6am day two, then takes 3 hours rest, and must take another 9 hours before 6am the following day.
That is an ideal opportunity to utilise the split rest, drive onto a ferry, probably not Dunkerque or Calais but the three hours plus the 9 later on could get you a long way down the continent when you get off whilst saving your reduced breaks for later in the week
Wheel Nut:
schrodingers cat:
Wheel Nut:
schrodingers cat:
You would have to show other work at 6am on day two, a minute or so would do it, then take 3 hours rest, then yes you could call that split daily rest (obviously you would need another 9 hours of rest before 6:00 am day 3) but it would only count as split daily rest for the second day.And as I keep pointing out, you cannot do 13 or 15 hour days when you split your rest period.
3 plus 9 will always make 12
Where exactly did I say anything about 13 or 15 hour days?
The question was could he use the first 3 hours of day two to make up a split daily rest, I said yes as long as he shows some work at 6am day two, then takes 3 hours rest, and must take another 9 hours before 6am the following day.
Nothing about 13 or 15 hours.
I am not sure why I quoted you, maybe I was feeling lonely and scared.
My only point was that drivers say they are taking a 9 without mentioning the earlier 3. All I was meaning to everyone taking 12 hours daily rest in a day is not having a reduced rest.
Sorry for the quote.
No worries, man hug (ahem) for the lonely and scared.
What the hell do you want to work 15 hours then jump in the truck for a kip…its 2012
fuse:
What the hell do you want to work 15 hours then jump in the truck for a kip…its 2012
It might be 2012 but speed limits have reduced thanks to speed limiters, driving hours have remained roughly the same but for a truck the “World aint got no smaller” 
fuse:
What the hell do you want to work 15 hours then jump in the truck for a kip…its 2012
because i enjoy my job and love the freedom i have to choose what i do, and its been part of the job when your tramping for years, if you don’t like it a career change might be a good thing, i’ve done the 3 or 4 weeks away thing and it was the best time i ever had, weekending out all over europe and getting paid for it as well 
fuse:
What the hell do you want to work 15 hours then jump in the truck for a kip…its 2012
Because if i’m in the truck i’d rather be working, and because there aint no decent paying jobs near home, i work for a haulier 80 miles from away, this means i cant just nip home for a kip. so bring on plenty off hours
each to their own