scotstrucker:
OVLOV JAY:
I don’t need a union, drivers rep or any brotherhood. I use the tongue I was born with. If things are wrong, I make my point, if nothing changes for the better, I find a job with better T’s and C’s. If nobody swallowed [zb], the job would sort itself out
+1 it’s always worked for me
Glad you are both bloody lucky to be happy with everything, 1000s are not. I gather you manage to fing good safe parking everynight and not stuck in some layby, or happy to sit in waiting room for 4 odd hors, pay less for a medicl than most and get paid more than most.
again the usual, sod you I am OK applies
lets hope your employer never goes under and you have to suffer like many others,
Seems on here we have most drivers quite happy to bend over and take it rather than do something.
That is why as drivers we are in ■■■■ street and nothing will get better
do you all not deserve a bit of respect or have you also given in on that as well
good topic “Spineless”
eezeer:
Seems on here we have most drivers quite happy to bend over and take it rather than do something.
That is why as drivers we are in [zb] street and nothing will get better
do you all not deserve a bit of respect or have you also given in on that as well
good topic “Spineless”
What’s the point in striking when there 1000s of eastern block drivers eager and willing to jump right in your seat while it’s still warm?
The country is crippling the working man.
It ain’t going change anytime soon while there is open border and free movement of people.
Themoocher:
eezeer:
Seems on here we have most drivers quite happy to bend over and take it rather than do something.
That is why as drivers we are in [zb] street and nothing will get better
do you all not deserve a bit of respect or have you also given in on that as well
good topic “Spineless”
What’s the point in striking when there 1000s of eastern block drivers eager and willing to jump right in your seat while it’s still warm?
The country is crippling the working man.
It ain’t going change anytime soon while there is open border and free movement of people.
Someone cannot read or has not bothered befor commenting 
The PDU has stated it is “ANTI STRIKE”
Try reading before opening mouth
eezeer:
Themoocher:
eezeer:
Seems on here we have most drivers quite happy to bend over and take it rather than do something.
That is why as drivers we are in [zb] street and nothing will get better
do you all not deserve a bit of respect or have you also given in on that as well
good topic “Spineless”
What’s the point in striking when there 1000s of eastern block drivers eager and willing to jump right in your seat while it’s still warm?
The country is crippling the working man.
It ain’t going change anytime soon while there is open border and free movement of people.
Someone cannot read or has not bothered befor commenting
The PDU has stated it is “ANTI STRIKE”
Try reading before opening mouth
How else are you going get your point across and grow a spine■■?
eezeer:
Seems on here we have most drivers quite happy to bend over and take it rather than do something.
That is why as drivers we are in [zb] street and nothing will get better
do you all not deserve a bit of respect or have you also given in on that as well
good topic “Spineless”
Sorry but its been a while since I left the anti scam / matrix /ponzi/pyramid scheme arena but your posts have caught my attention as they are similar to the brainwashed/koolaid drinking shills I used to deal with on a regular basis.
Any man that needs a collective to fight their battles is dellusional, let alone to pay subs for the privelidge. Perhaps you are one of the weak who feels the world owes them a living or just a dedicated member of the crapped on from a great height club but in reality everyman lies and everyman has their own agenda, to join a union in this day and age is a waste of time especially a toothless/spineless one with a no strike policy.
Seriously take the blue pill and look after your own interests instead of paying subs to an organisation that has no place and a very weak voice in todays society.
Failing that I have a friend who is running a dodgy HYIP scheme who can double your money in 90 days.
Themoocher:
eezeer:
The country is crippling the working man.
It ain’t going change anytime soon while there is open border and free movement of people.
Someone cannot read or has not bothered befor commenting
The PDU has stated it is “ANTI STRIKE”
Try reading before opening mouth
How else are you going get your point across and grow a spine■■?
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I think they are looking at the possibility of plan B.IE change the ‘political/economic environment’ to a situation which ‘removes the need’ for striking.By removing the reasons and incentives for employers to hold down wages. 
On that note the mainstream unions are running a counterproductive policy of collusion in,and dealing with,the resulting symptoms of a pro immigration policy,free markets and EU membership.
eezeer:
Set minimum rates for movement of freight across the UK bringing back a fair rate rather than one decided by Tesco or Sainsbury. The Rates set must allow for a fair profit but still allow good competition so that big and small can continue in our Industry. The Ruling Body will have the power to fine if a Company under cuts or moves freight under the agreed rate and this will stop dead the under cutting culture…
You would find that a half-decent lawyer who specialises in such matters would rip this to pieces in court under the Competition Act. Two of the big bus companies in Leeds got their heads together some years ago to set minimum fares and when it was found out they were both fined substantially. Any company which subscribed to your line of thinking would more than likely find themselves in the same position.
We aren’t in the 1970s any more.
Dipper_Dave:
Any man that needs a collective to fight their battles is dellusional, let alone to pay subs for the privelidge. Perhaps you are one of the weak who feels the world owes them a living or just a dedicated member of the crapped on from a great height club but in reality everyman lies and everyman has their own agenda, to join a union in this day and age is a waste of time especially a toothless/spineless one with a no strike policy.
Seriously take the blue pill and look after your own interests instead of paying subs to an organisation that has no place and a very weak voice in todays society.
Failing that I have a friend who is running a dodgy HYIP scheme who can double your money in 90 days.
You are aware of the terms and conditions of train drivers v truck drivers.No surprise there are no calls for abolition of the RMT and ASLEF amongst their members. 
As for no strike policy it seems obvious that it is better to go for a rail transport industry political and trading environment first thereby reducing the ‘need’ for strikes.Although it seems obvious that a no strike policy would reduce bargaining power assuming that environment could be sorted.
Olog Hai:
You would find that a half-decent lawyer who specialises in such matters would rip this to pieces in court under the Competition Act. Two of the big bus companies in Leeds got their heads together some years ago to set minimum fares and when it was found out they were both fined substantially. Any company which subscribed to your line of thinking would more than likely find themselves in the same position.
We aren’t in the 1970s any more.
So are you saying that we wouldn’t see massive rail strikes ‘if’ the major rail operators went on a competitive rate cutting spree at the expense of train drivers’ wages ?.IE setting an industry specific minimum wage structure which ring fences wages from the competitive process isn’t the same thing as a Cartel.
Sorry CF im struggling to catch on to your point, could you dumb down your posts a little for those of us with less historical knowledge.
Carryfast:
Olog Hai:
You would find that a half-decent lawyer who specialises in such matters would rip this to pieces in court under the Competition Act. Two of the big bus companies in Leeds got their heads together some years ago to set minimum fares and when it was found out they were both fined substantially. Any company which subscribed to your line of thinking would more than likely find themselves in the same position.
We aren’t in the 1970s any more.
So are you saying that we wouldn’t see massive rail strikes ‘if’ the major rail operators went on a competitive rate cutting spree at the expense of train drivers’ wages ?.IE setting an industry specific minimum wage structure which ring fences wages from the competitive process isn’t the same thing as a Cartel.
Jesus. No, that’s not what I’m saying at all and I’m at a loss as to how you think I am. There are several railfreight operators and they regularly trade contracts under competitive bidding just as hauliers do. DB Schenker, Freighliner, DRS, Colas, the list goes on. I imagine that when they tender for work, they factor their drivers’ wages into the price… 
Just to clarify what it says on the website as it looks like most have not read anything
It says “Anti Strike” and not “No Strike”
I do not think a strike would be any benefit so to try and do things differently would suit me and not cost me a loss of wages.
The other point I like is that it has clearly stated the membership would decide the direction, so if all else fails the memers could decide to strike.
It seems very intent on talking to the membership and using their advice
I have no idea of the legalities or what is right or wrong, but I do know as drivers we need a voice before more crap is pushed in our faces and we have no choice but to bend over because no one fights our corner.
with the right representation then just maybe things could be better than they are at present
I just had a look at the URTU web site.
Says it all when you can read it in English or Polish.
Themoocher:
I just had a look at the URTU web site.
Says it all when you can read it in English or Polish.
URTU lost the plot a long time ago
eezeer:
Themoocher:
I just had a look at the URTU web site.
Says it all when you can read it in English or Polish.
URTU lost the plot a long time ago
I had a look at the PDU aswell.
Think I would rather throw the £30 out my cab window going down the A14 on a Friday that give it to them! No offence.
Olog Hai:
Carryfast:
So are you saying that we wouldn’t see massive rail strikes ‘if’ the major rail operators went on a competitive rate cutting spree at the expense of train drivers’ wages ?.IE setting an industry specific minimum wage structure which ring fences wages from the competitive process isn’t the same thing as a Cartel.
Jesus. No, that’s not what I’m saying at all and I’m at a loss as to how you think I am. There are several railfreight operators and they regularly trade contracts under competitive bidding just as hauliers do. DB Schenker, Freighliner, DRS, Colas, the list goes on. I imagine that when they tender for work, they factor their drivers’ wages into the price…
So I’m guessing that the RMT or ASLEF would make sure that respective relative wage levels don’t form any large part in that ‘competitive bidding’ process.Which as I said isn’t the same thing as a ‘cartel’.
Dipper_Dave:
Sorry CF im struggling to catch on to your point, could you dumb down your posts a little for those of us with less historical knowledge.
Seems simple enough.The job of a union is all about maintaining and improving wage levels and terms and conditions.While the employers obviously have the ( justified ) defence that there is little room for margin on wages because road fuel taxation is hitting profitability.While immigration policy is distorting the labour market in favour of over supply.All that in an environment in which wages form part of the competitive tendering process.Therefore the ‘unions’ need to ‘do something’ about all the above before even thinking about striking being that striking won’t fix any of those issues.
I cant see how the price of fuel has as much of an impact on the rates as much as being undercut by the big boys who can run at a lower profit margin than the smaller outfits, when I was running my motors the fuel cost was taken into consideration when I quoted a price but I was running in a niche market where I had no competition, in fact I pinched the work of a big national company. Funnily enough their name was … Carryfast 
Just curious, is the flood of cheap labour from Europe causing a driver surplus & driving down wages, or is there a driver shortage? There cannot be both at the same time surely.